Trades before the deadline?

[seabeachfred]

Dr. Andrews also reported that the source of Buch's discomfort is inactivity. He feels soreness because he is not pitching enough and when he does throw, his muscles are responding with soreness because of the inactivity. Inactivity in the middle of the season.....In other words...Buch did it to himself.....What a joke!

 

In other words, Clay is acting like a real candy-ass, but we need him badly and I hope he can get his s*** together in his head as well as his arm and get back in the game.

[seabeachfred]

Why? Because Buch didn't trust the Red Sox medical staff? Would you? Last time they told him "nah brah it's cool, keep pitching" he had a broken back. People keep jumping on him because for all intents and purposes, Buchholz was right to question the Red Sox medical staff who initially misdiagnosed this problem too. It's not an issue of entitlement or Buchholz being a pussy. It's common sense, something that seems to be lacking more and more these days.

 

And I still cannot understand why owner John Henry can just shitcan this miserable medical staff from top to bottom and stop working around the edges, adding one or two new guys a year and keeping the rest. The whole s***** group should be barf-canned once and for all. Between their failure to order MRI's when they were needed, their misdiagnoses that has waylaid many of our players over the past four-plus seasons, and their failure to keep our players on the field, they have earned the right to he shown the door. The move by Buch to get a second opinion was the wise move, just that it took him too damn long to decide to do it.

[mvp 78]

Wait, so is he a candy ass, or wise for not trusting the medical staff?

 

Can't have it both ways.

[BSN07]

Sign that man!

 

Yes they should be all over him. He only cost money and at this point $ is better gamble then shipping out prospects for a RP rental.

[Bellhorn04]

Wait, so is he a candy ass, or wise for not trusting the medical staff?

 

Can't have it both ways.

 

Fred just did. Pretty smooth how he did it though, in two separate posts.

[mvp 78]

Fred just did. Pretty smooth how he did it though, in two separate posts.

 

Well he did have to buffer it with a "missive" about board drama, so he doesn't get full credit.

[a700hitter]

As someone who remembers the game in the 1960's, I can tell you that today's players is a pampered wuss. Calling Buch a candy ass is not a big stretch. He has plenty of company. He also had good reason to distrust our incompetent medical staff. The whole process just took too long.

[Palodios]

Yes they should be all over him. He only cost money and at this point $ is better gamble then shipping out prospects for a RP rental.

 

The organization is well under the luxury right now. Paying Wilson 10 million seems like it could potentially save the team much more if they hold onto a prospect like Brentz or Workman (the cost of someone like a K-rod).

[Palodios]

The other interesting option is Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. He's a 26 year old RHP with a 96 MPH fastball, and he could be picked up for 50ish million and thrown right into the pennant race. Besides Peavy, is there any other pitcher on the trading block anywhere remotely near as good as he is?

 

I have no idea, but it doesn't seem likely.

[BSN07]

The other interesting option is Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. He's a 26 year old RHP with a 96 MPH fastball, and he could be picked up for 50ish million and thrown right into the pennant race. Besides Peavy, is there any other pitcher on the trading block anywhere remotely near as good as he is?

 

I have no idea, but it doesn't seem likely.

 

Yes he is also a guy I have been reading about. He could be MLB ready this year but most likely next. I'd be excited if the Sox got him.

[jacksonianmarch]

You don't throw a guy who just got off the boat into a pennant race. This Cuban guy will need some time in the minors before he can contribute. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a team sign him for 5 yrs starting in 2014.

[BSN07]

You don't throw a guy who just got off the boat into a pennant race. This Cuban guy will need some time in the minors before he can contribute. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a team sign him for 5 yrs starting in 2014.

 

No probably not. But I'd sign him as soon as he is available anyways whether he's going to AAA or wherever.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's gonna get a 5yr $50 mil deal. Would you rather pay him $10 mil for a third of a season or pay him $10 mil for all of 2014? I think this is a procedural move. He gets league minimum this season to get acclimated in the minors and then starts his contract next yr

[a700hitter]

No probably not. But I'd sign him as soon as he is available anyways whether he's going to AAA or wherever.

They can send him to the minors where Jose Contreras can take him under his wing.

[Standing Room]

It sounds like the speculation of the Dodgers giving him a $50 million deal was a fabrication. The Dodgers are reportedly out.

 

TORONTO -- The Dodgers are not pursuing Cuban free-agent pitcher Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez, according to a baseball source.

 

Speculation has persisted that the deep-pocketed Dodgers, after the success of Cuban defector Yasiel Puig, have offered a contract for as much as $50 million for Gonzalez, a right-hander. But the source insists the Dodgers are not part of the process.

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130723&content_id=54440330&c_id=la&tcid=tw_article_54440330

 

Who knows what we might get out of Gonzalez if we sign him. I've heard some reports that he's major league ready, so an immediate contribution isn't completely out of the question.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Standing Room

[jung]

I think Workman has shown us that he can slot into the 5 hole for the Sox. Buch appears to be in a position to make it back at some point this year....mid to late August is probably a best case but no reason to believe at this point it won't happen.

 

Buch coming back even late probably seals the deal on something like Peavey. Don't think it will happen and probably should not happen. Get us two more guys for the pen and we are likely as set up as we are going to be to make whatever run we are going to make this year.

 

If Young puts Iggy back at SS permanently then Young is short money to resolve that issue. So maybe Young would be OK as well. Please two arms for the pen though.

[italstallianion]

At this point I don't think we need Young anymore. Holt/Snyder/Drew don't seem to be that bad and their increase in defense could make up for their less offense (a run saved is a run scored) and I'd use my resources (money/prospects) on players we need rather than simply something "we can use" and we need bullpen arms.

 

That said if the opportunity to trade for Cliff Lee presented itself I'd probably take it.

[mvp 78]

Ital, that didn't take long for you to come to your senses!

[Standing Room]

I think Workman has shown us that he can slot into the 5 hole for the Sox. Buch appears to be in a position to make it back at some point this year....mid to late August is probably a best case but no reason to believe at this point it won't happen.

 

Buch coming back even late probably seals the deal on something like Peavey. Don't think it will happen and probably should not happen. Get us two more guys for the pen and we are likely as set up as we are going to be to make whatever run we are going to make this year.

 

If Young puts Iggy back at SS permanently then Young is short money to resolve that issue. So maybe Young would be OK as well. Please two arms for the pen though.

 

There's still time for Ranaudo, De La Rosa or possibly even Steven Wright to emerge as the preferred sixth starter. But I agree that what we've seen from Workman so far is very encouraging. The Rays are a very good offensive team, some ballpark independent stats suggest they have the best offense in baseball. And Workman looked great against them.

 

I also agree that it would be nice to pick up two relievers. A quality two month starting pitcher rental seems prohibitively expensive in terms of prospects considering Buchholz is expected to return, Doubront has improved and we have some backup options already in our system. But I would like us to sign Brian Wilson and trade for someone like Addison Reed, Jesse Crain or Francisco Rodriguez. We don't need a world beater closer, just a solid set up man who won't cost too much of an overpay in a trade.

[italstallianion]

It did take a while. I'm still a fan of Young's bat and would prefer it over Holt/Snyder/Drew/Middlebrooks, but when you factor in the defensive sacrifice, and the fact that it'd cost money and a prospect, it's not worth it. I'd rather save the prospects for more relievers and/or a starter.

[Standing Room]

At this point I don't think we need Young anymore. Holt/Snyder/Drew don't seem to be that bad and their increase in defense could make up for their less offense (a run saved is a run scored) and I'd use my resources (money/prospects) on players we need rather than simply something "we can use" and we need bullpen arms.

 

That said if the opportunity to trade for Cliff Lee presented itself I'd probably take it.

 

Completely agree on Young. He's had a -1.1 WAR since the start of 2012. So I'm not sure he'd make sense even if we didn't have Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Holt and Snyder as third base options.

[Divinity]

Sox have signed Pedroia to a seven-year, $100M extension

[User Name]

At this point I don't think we need Young anymore. Holt/Snyder/Drew don't seem to be that bad and their increase in defense could make up for their less offense (a run saved is a run scored) and I'd use my resources (money/prospects) on players we need rather than simply something "we can use" and we need bullpen arms.

 

That said if the opportunity to trade for Cliff Lee presented itself I'd probably take it.

 

Yeah, because Young sucks. And again, a run saved is not the same as a run scored. That's why the actions of scoring and preventing a run are named differently.

[jung]

Lee would be the only starter that would peak my interest. However it looks like he is not going to be offered.

[italstallianion]

Yeah, because Young sucks. And again, a run saved is not the same as a run scored. That's why the actions of scoring and preventing a run are named differently.

 

I know you disagree with me on the run saved vs. a run scored, we've been down that road before. I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine. I also disagree that Young sucks.

 

So it looks like we agree on the same overarching point despite disagreeing on a few of the minor points in the reasoning. Oh well.

[Standing Room]

Sox have signed Pedroia to a seven-year, $100M extension

 

Seems reasonable. The roughly $14 million a year salary seems like a fair trade off for having him under contract through age 36. He's averaged well over $20 million a year in WAR dollars since he became a full-time player.

[User Name]

Age 38. The extension kicks in after his current contract is up.

[italstallianion]

There's a nice piece on Soxprospects about prospects we've traded since 2005. I'd copy and paste it but it's a bit big (that's what she said) and it deserves the attention on its own merit.

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2013/07/tradedprospects2013.html

[a700hitter]

There's a nice piece on Soxprospects about prospects we've traded since 2005. I'd copy and paste it but it's a bit big (that's what she said) and it deserves the attention on its own merit.

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2013/07/tradedprospects2013.html

Interesting. If we kept all of those guys, we wouldn't be any better today. Very few of the traded prospects have made any impact. Trade away Benny Boy!!!

[User Name]

Except that the three highly heralded ones (Hanley, Sanchez, Masterson) would make this team better right now and have absolutely made an impact for other clubs. Guys like David Murphy, Anthony Rizzo and Tim Federowicz would also look very good on the current roster.

 

This is why you gotta be careful moving the blue chippers.