Trades before the deadline?

[italstallianion]

If we were emptying the farm I feel like I'd go after Kershaw before Sale. Because with Bogaerts that would change the game as to "who's available"

[User Name]

It's much more likely Sale gets traded though, he's also under team control longer. But again, as you say, with a package that size you could pretty much get anyone who's available to be traded.

[Standing Room]

I don't see why either pitcher would be available. Young aces under team control long-term are the players teams build around. The Dodgers are in win now mode, so there's no chance Kershaw will be traded. Chris Sale is possible, but still very unlikely.

[Behindenemylines]

The Rays pitching depth allowed them to give up Shields to the Royals because they so needed a bat for their lineup. It was around the time that they brought Myers up is when they got hot. Because Sales is under control of the White Sox for a longer period they are not going to trade him. They will build their team around him. The Sox do need a starter and another arm for the bullpen. At this point I don't think anyone can tell you when Buchholtz is going to pitch. The Sox could find themselves out of first by the end of next week with the white hot Rays coming to town. With all that said, unless you are getting an ace back you can not trade Bogaerts.

[italstallianion]

The Rays pitching depth allowed them to give up Shields to the Royals because they so needed a bat for their lineup. It was around the time that they brought Myers up is when they got hot. Because Sales is under control of the White Sox for a longer period they are not going to trade him. They will build their team around him. The Sox do need a starter and another arm for the bullpen. At this point I don't think anyone can tell you when Buchholtz is going to pitch. The Sox could find themselves out of first by the end of next week with the white hot Rays coming to town. With all that said, unless you are getting an ace back you can not trade Bogaerts.

 

Even if I didn't have pitching depth I'd have traded Shields for Myers. I don't think that was a good trade for the Royals and trades like these are why the Rays have been consistently good. (Well that and picking in the top 5 of each draft for many years)

[SoxSport]

The Rays have just swept the Jays in Toronto, and they are looking tough with Price back in form. The Red Sox are going to have to improve their pitching--with all the questions--if they are going to stay in this thing. No sense in wasting this year. The future is now.

[jung]

I knew they would sweep once the Jays lost that first game.

 

We need to win tonight against the Yanks. I am not sure at all sure how prepared this Sox team is for taking single games as seriously as they are going to have to start taking them.

 

Sox are a gritty team that does not give up...they come back. But we tend to make some boneheaded plays along the way. I would like to see them play a smart, tough game tonight. The kind of game that says "we are post ASB...still in first...no time for dicking around".

[SoxSport]

Cafardo just tweeted sources indicate Red Sox are showing increased interest in Garza. A rental makes sense for them. Forget about next year.

[mvp 78]

Forget about next year.

Sound 2011 offseason reasoning there.

 

Even if they win this year, you all will still bitch if they lose next year.

[wyo-sox]

I'm starting to think more and more we need a bat added to the line up. Feels like more often then naught when we lose its due to poor run support for a pitcher that pitched decent.

[User Name]

The Red Sox lead the league in pretty much every meaningful offensive category (OPS, RS, P/PA) other than homers. Their hitting is not the problem.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox lead the league in pretty much every meaningful offensive category (OPS, RS, P/PA) other than homers. Their hitting is not the problem.

 

Well, they lead the categories, but not by enough!

[jung]

We need Vic to stay upright. Another bat really does not solve that. It is an entirely different offense when Vic is not batting behind Ells and in front of Pedey, not to mention a different defense with Nava in RF. That said, if the Sox really do get serious about playing in October, they will have to do a better job protecting Ortiz. In a short series nobody is going to let Ortiz just go out there and beat them.

[VA Sox Fan]

Well, they lead the categories, but not by enough!

 

Anything less than perfection, perfect moves, perfect pick ups/trades are completely unacceptable. You know that right?????????? Dag Nabbit!!!!!!!!

[seabeachfred]

I don't see why either pitcher would be available. Young aces under team control long-term are the players teams build around. The Dodgers are in win now mode, so there's no chance Kershaw will be traded. Chris Sale is possible, but still very unlikely.

 

I live in the Los Angeles Metropolitan area and read about the damn Dodgers ad nauseam and I can tell you straight out that Kershaw is NOT for sale, not for any price. They are talking about a massive extension for him with the club. I don't as much as some of you about Sale but I will bet dollars to donuts the chances of getting him are a hell of a lot better than getting Kershaw, that is, if the ChiSox are interested in trading him----which they really should since they will be rebuilding and have absolutely no chance of making the Playoffs this year or most likely the next couple of years. Come to think of it, maybe not us either unless we upgrade our pitching, both rotation and bullpen and find some way to keep our players on the field for the first time since 2008.

[seabeachfred]

The Red Sox lead the league in pretty much every meaningful offensive category (OPS, RS, P/PA) other than homers. Their hitting is not the problem.

 

In a way it is User. We strike out too damn much. Between Salty, Napoli, and now Drew (finally back from what was supposed to be a few days that took over three weeks), not to mention a few others who whiff too often, strikeouts are useless outs. Some outs can lead to SAC flies, sacrifices, runners moved over, etc. A strikeout is a wasted at-bat and we've had way too many of those. That's one area that needs some real improvement.

[italstallianion]

I don't see why either pitcher would be available. Young aces under team control long-term are the players teams build around. The Dodgers are in win now mode, so there's no chance Kershaw will be traded. Chris Sale is possible, but still very unlikely.

 

 

I don't think I implied Kershaw would be available. My point to SFF is that if we were going to trade Bogaerts and others, I'd rather have Kershaw than Sale. That was the only point I was trying to make.

[User Name]

In a way it is User. We strike out too damn much. Between Salty, Napoli, and now Drew (finally back from what was supposed to be a few days that took over three weeks), not to mention a few others who whiff too often, strikeouts are useless outs. Some outs can lead to SAC flies, sacrifices, runners moved over, etc. A strikeout is a wasted at-bat and we've had way too many of those. That's one area that needs some real improvement.

 

Fred, they are scoring runs by the boatload, for one. Hitting is not the problem. Second, if they were to get a run-producing bat, it'd probably be a guy who also strikes out a lot. How a bat can even be mentioned while the BP is in shambles and Buchholz injured with Lester sucking is beyond me.

[User Name]

I live in the Los Angeles Metropolitan area and read about the damn Dodgers ad nauseam and I can tell you straight out that Kershaw is NOT for sale, not for any price. They are talking about a massive extension for him with the club. I don't as much as some of you about Sale but I will bet dollars to donuts the chances of getting him are a hell of a lot better than getting Kershaw, that is, if the ChiSox are interested in trading him----which they really should since they will be rebuilding and have absolutely no chance of making the Playoffs this year or most likely the next couple of years. Come to think of it, maybe not us either unless we upgrade our pitching, both rotation and bullpen and find some way to keep our players on the field for the first time since 2008.

 

So if they fail to make the playoffs this year they are not well positioned to make the playoffs for several years after even though they have several near-ready arms in the farm and the resources to trade for/sign pretty much any player they want to? Fred, this is the definition of a logical fallacy.

[italstallianion]

While I agree that it's frustrating so see games where our starters do well and our offense doesn't, and the fact that Lackey has an even record despite a very good ERA, UN is right that while our offense may have cost us a few games here and there, they are not the problem for this season. Our bullpen has been injured, overused, and inconsistent. We have Beato and De La Torre getting innings at this point. And our two best starters at the beginning of the season are either injured and taking forever to get back, or just plain suck now.

 

We perhaps can use a bat, but we don't NEED one. We NEED relievers and depending on Buchholz recovery we may NEED a starter.

[wyo-sox]

The Red Sox lead the league in pretty much every meaningful offensive category (OPS, RS, P/PA) other than homers. Their hitting is not the problem.

 

Well those numbers usually get bolstered by big hitting games we win. When we do lose it seems to me like we need our offense to produce more.

 

Red Sox last 15 losses they have averaged 2.6 runs per game. In those15 losses 7 games the offense scored 2 or less runs. So if I look how to fix what goes wrong when we lose, I can't help but think a bat would not help.

 

For the heck of it I checked and for the season they average 2.6 runs when they lose.

Edited July 21, 2013 by wyo-sox

[wyo-sox]

While I agree that it's frustrating so see games where our starters do well and our offense doesn't, and the fact that Lackey has an even record despite a very good ERA, UN is right that while our offense may have cost us a few games here and there, they are not the problem for this season. Our bullpen has been injured, overused, and inconsistent. We have Beato and De La Torre getting innings at this point. And our two best starters at the beginning of the season are either injured and taking forever to get back, or just plain suck now.

 

We perhaps can use a bat, but we don't NEED one. We NEED relievers and depending on Buchholz recovery we may NEED a starter.

 

All true. Nothing I would argue with. Funny debating on what "the problem" is when we've held first place most of the season, lol.

[User Name]

Well those numbers usually get bolstered by big hitting games we win. When we do lose it seems to me like we need our offense to produce more.

 

Red Sox last 15 losses they have averaged 2.6 runs per game. In those15 losses 7 games the offense scored 2 or less runs. So if I look how to fix what goes wrong when we lose, I can't help but think a bat would not help.

 

You mean like every other team in the league? Offenses are inconsistent because they face different caliber pitching on a nightly basis. If they're leading the MLB in scoring, it's because they've been the best offense so far, and that means that offense is not the problem.

[wyo-sox]

You mean like every other team in the league? Offenses are inconsistent because they face different caliber pitching on a nightly basis. If they're leading the MLB in scoring, it's because they've been the best offense so far, and that means that offense is not the problem.

 

I guess I would reject the premise that "the problem" needs to be fixed.As you pointed out our offense leads the league in runs. And our team pitching era is 3.88. We are a good team. They should improve pitching or offense if the right opportunity shows up.... but don't have a huge glaring hole to fill.

[jung]

There is nothing that the Sox can do out there on the market to resolve what issues they might ultimately have with the offense either. As I said earlier, IMO Vic has to stay upright. So who do they go get to protect against Vic staying upright? Naps ultimately IMO does not do enough to protect Ortiz. What....5 hole RH bats are just dropping off the trees like low hanging fruit? Trying to do something to improve the offense at this point would be a waste of time IMO. The offense is fine....s*** happens...nobody can protect against everything and it is all about the pitching.

[SoxSport]

There is nothing that the Sox can do out there on the market to resolve what issues they might ultimately have with the offense either. As I said earlier, IMO Vic has to stay upright. So who do they go get to protect against Vic staying upright? Naps ultimately IMO does not do enough to protect Ortiz. What....5 hole RH bats are just dropping off the trees like low hanging fruit? Trying to do something to improve the offense at this point would be a waste of time IMO. The offense is fine....s*** happens...nobody can protect against everything and it is all about the pitching.

 

Yeah. The media started carping about Iglesias' hitting again, as soon as he slid below .400. The kid is not allowed to cool off. They are overly focused on hitting at a time when it's the pitching that's the problem--and the defense backing the pitching. They are 2nd in the league in hitting and 7th in pitching--and dropping. Simple stats that tell the story.

[SoxSport]

No mention, by the way, that Iglesias got a key hit the first game against the Yankees to make it a 2 run game in the 9th.

[Orange Juiced]

The Mets pen stinks and they dumped him. They didn't dump him because he was throwing well.

 

The answer to this is found in post #1008: http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16374-Trades-before-the-deadline?p=854901&viewfull=1#post854901

[Orange Juiced]

Yeah. The media started carping about Iglesias' hitting again, as soon as he slid below .400. The kid is not allowed to cool off. They are overly focused on hitting at a time when it's the pitching that's the problem--and the defense backing the pitching. They are 2nd in the league in hitting and 7th in pitching--and dropping. Simple stats that tell the story.

 

When your batting average is at .400, even if you hit like a Hall-of-Famer the rest of the way (say, .300), you're still going to see your season average drop like a rock.

 

Given how hot he was early on, he'll probably end up in the .260 range for the season. Which would make him a very valuable player. But that would also mean that his second half will likely be pretty bad at the plate.

[a700hitter]

Apparently Lyon had some incentives in his contract based on appearances or whatever and that factored into the going-nowhere Mets releasing him. It saved them some money.

The Mets payroll is about 12 cents, and Lyon' s incentives are not for big bucks. They released him because he was stinking up the joint.