Trades before the deadline?

[Standing Room]

This Buchholz situation is very much like the Ortiz ordeal at the beginning of this season. Both players said they are hurting. The medical staff in each case said they can play without further damage. Both refuse to play. The Red Sox did nothing-- I guess giving the benefit of the doubt to the players. Papi came back to work when his salary was going to be affected by the time off the season. Buchholz doesn't have that problem.

 

Thanks, I was just wondering what Bobby Valentine would have to say about Buchholz.

[dduncan6er]

One name I haven't seen mentioned a ton is Greg Holland. I'm wondering what the asking price is on him. He has been one of the 2 or 3 best closers in baseball after a bit of a rough start. He's 27 and I believe has a couple years on club control left so I'm sure he won't be cheap.

[BornToRun]

Peavy is the guy.

 

The Sox are watching his start today. With 22 million left on his contract the next two years and injury history, he probably prices himself out for many teams, while possibly still being a very good arm.

 

I can't say I'm not interested in Peavy. Maybe a package involving him and Crain could be worked out. I don't know what it would cost on the talent end though and it'd be nice if eating a large chunk of the money saved us having to give up too much in MIL talent.

[italstallianion]

One name I haven't seen mentioned a ton is Greg Holland. I'm wondering what the asking price is on him. He has been one of the 2 or 3 best closers in baseball after a bit of a rough start. He's 27 and I believe has a couple years on club control left so I'm sure he won't be cheap.

 

Odds are if the player is on the Royals, he's been mentioned by Dojji a ton.

[Orange Juiced]

He was bombing badly with the Mets before they cut him. If the Mets couldn't tolerate him in that horrid pen of theirs, that should tell you something.

 

Your description of Lyon "bombing badly" is grossly inaccurate. From the start of the season up through June 28, he pitched in 34 games and had a 3.45 era. He wasn't great (1.44 whip), but he wasn't "bombing badly". He was not bad actually.

 

Then the tsunami hit. One game, where he put up this line: 0.2 ip, 5 h, 6 r, 6 er, that ballooned his season's era from 3.45 up to 5.06. From there he pitched in two more games and his era dropped those last two games down to 4.98.

 

So other than that one horrific, disastrous outing, he was actually pretty solid. As to why the Mets let him go....who knows. They're not the Mets for no reason.

[Palodios]

I can't say I'm not interested in Peavy. Maybe a package involving him and Crain could be worked out. I don't know what it would cost on the talent end though and it'd be nice if eating a large chunk of the money saved us having to give up too much in MIL talent.

 

Peavy + Crain would solve a lot of problems. It would also opens up some of the AAA arms to move to the bullpen. The question is if the White Sox are willing to accept prospects from the second-tier pool of guys like Britton, Workman, Wilson, and Brentz.

[dduncan6er]

I would think if Peavy and Crain are going to be acquired it'd take a lower 1st tier guy. I'm thinking maybe Barnes. However if they could make it work with the guys like you mentioned that'd obviously be ideal.

[italstallianion]

I'm not sure about Peavy but I'd love to trade for Crain. With Bailey out (which earlier in the season would have been a good thing) I feel like I can only rely on Tazawa/Uehara/Breslow and somewhat Thornton. With Miller/Bailey/Hanrahan/Wilson/Morales out I don't feel comfortable giving Beato/Delatorre/Britton many innings.

[BornToRun]

Peavy + Crain would solve a lot of problems. It would also opens up some of the AAA arms to move to the bullpen. The question is if the White Sox are willing to accept prospects from the second-tier pool of guys like Britton, Workman, Wilson, and Brentz.

 

I was just reading MLB Trade Rumors and apparently Ranaudo is a guy our FO is really open to trading. I can't say I'd have a problem with that if we gave them Anthony as well as a second tier bat like Brentz who seems like a low OBP high SLG type much like Middlebrooks.

[dduncan6er]

Is there an indication that the FO values Barnes more than Ranaudo? Just based off performance this year I'd think Ranaduo has more value, but the White Sox may not be interested in Barnes, which is why Ranaudo's name is popping up.

[Palodios]

Is there an indication that the FO values Barnes more than Ranaudo? Just based off performance this year I'd think Ranaduo has more value, but the White Sox may not be interested in Barnes, which is why Ranaudo's name is popping up.

 

They'd probably prefer selling high on Ranaudo than low on Barnes, IMO.

[Standing Room]

I was just reading MLB Trade Rumors and apparently Ranaudo is a guy our FO is really open to trading. I can't say I'd have a problem with that if we gave them Anthony as well as a second tier bat like Brentz who seems like a low OBP high SLG type much like Middlebrooks.

 

That's not at all what that article said. It was a writer speculating Ranaudo could be used in a trade, at no point did they suggest the team was considering it.

[SoxSport]

Looks like they are going to have to pop the cork and trade prospects for pitching. Maybe a starter like Peavy and another reliever. Garza is back on the market but he's a rental. Peavy has another year on his contract at around $15mil. Either guy would help. I would not be surprised if Middlebrooks got traded for pitching. That might happen if they get Young for minor pieces. Maybe Middlebrooks in a package for Young and Lee if the Phillies decide to sell.This team has done well enough this season for Henry to gamble some money on them.

[a700hitter]

Your description of Lyon "bombing badly" is grossly inaccurate. From the start of the season up through June 28, he pitched in 34 games and had a 3.45 era. He wasn't great (1.44 whip), but he wasn't "bombing badly". He was not bad actually.

 

Then the tsunami hit. One game, where he put up this line: 0.2 ip, 5 h, 6 r, 6 er, that ballooned his season's era from 3.45 up to 5.06. From there he pitched in two more games and his era dropped those last two games down to 4.98.

 

So other than that one horrific, disastrous outing, he was actually pretty solid. As to why the Mets let him go....who knows. They're not the Mets for no reason.

The Mets pen stinks and they dumped him. They didn't dump him because he was throwing well.

[a700hitter]

Brandon Lyon is well worth a flier. I'd suggest you look at his stats the past few years, and then his game log for this year. His numbers this year look awful and then you take a closer look and see that he had one absolutely horrific performance, but other than that his era was in the 3's.

His k's/9 have fallen off a cliff down to 6 from 9.3 last year. His WHIP is 1.6. His 2011 was a horror show. He was not throwing well. The stats don't say that, but he wasn't. That's why the Mets cut him.

[User Name]

His k's/9 have fallen off a cliff down to 6 from 9.3 last year. His WHIP is 1.6. His 2011 was a horror show. He was not throwing well. The stats don't say that, but he wasn't. That's why the Mets cut him.

 

Actually, they do. His peripherals are horrible.

[Palodios]

Let me paraphrase what I said earlier.

 

Brandon Lyon is a lighting-in-a-bottle type signing.

[Bellhorn04]

Apparently Lyon had some incentives in his contract based on appearances or whatever and that factored into the going-nowhere Mets releasing him. It saved them some money.

[Palodios]

On another note, how about selling the farm for Chris Sale? He's exactly the kind of guy you do it for. Big young lefty ace, very cost-controlled. I don't think I would lose much sleep over trading Bogaertz + WMB + Webster + Workman for him, but that probably won't be enough.

[User Name]

I don't think you quite understand the type of talent we're talking about when mentioning Bogaerts. A package of that size headlining Bogaerts (with WMB and Workman being interchangeable pieces) would pretty much net the Sox anyone who's available

[mvp 78]

Pal, please submit your resume to Brian Cashman ASAP. This kind of analysis would be great for them!

[Standing Room]

On another note, how about selling the farm for Chris Sale? He's exactly the kind of guy you do it for. Big young lefty ace, very cost-controlled. I don't think I would lose much sleep over trading Bogaertz + WMB + Webster + Workman for him, but that probably won't be enough.

 

Sale is one of the few guys I would be willing to trade Bogaerts for. That kind of trade probably makes more sense in the offseason though when we aren't working with a deadline. For this year, I'd be happy with adding a high quality bullpen arm or two. We just have to cross our fingers that Buchholz comes back. The asking price for similar pitchers is probably too high.

[Palodios]

I don't think you quite understand the type of talent we're talking about when mentioning Bogaerts. A package of that size headlining Bogaerts (with WMB and Workman being interchangeable pieces) would pretty much net the Sox anyone who's available

 

It took Will Meyer to get Shields, so I don't think that package would be far off from what the White Sox would be looking for. I rarely advocate selling the farm, but Sale looks like a guy who will anchor a rotation for years to come, more specifically during a playoff-push in a year when no team really stands out above the rest.

[Palodios]

Pal, please submit your resume to Brian Cashman ASAP. This kind of analysis would be great for them!

 

You've got to be kidding me? I'd be fired my first day with ideas like that. Chris Sale is 15 years too young for the Yankees.

[User Name]

It took Will Meyer to get Shields, so I don't think that package would be far off from what the White Sox would be looking for. I rarely advocate selling the farm, but Sale looks like a guy who will anchor a rotation for years to come, more specifically during a playoff-push in a year when no team really stands out above the rest.

 

That package is way better than what the Royals gave up for Shields et al. Because of the position he plays, right now Bogaerts is arguably more valuable right now than Myers was last off-season.

[SoxSport]

The Rangers had Garza--and then they didn't. You wonder what the phone records of Hoyer and Cherington show the last day or so. It figures the Red Sox are going to do something, and Garza is probably cheaper than Peavy right now. Maybe he fits their short range needs better. No sense getting tied up with more Dempsters. Not with the prospects on the horizon.

 

Regarding Sale, I read the White Sox said he is not for sale.

Edited July 21, 2013 by SoxSport

[jung]

I wonder how these last performances leading into the deadline, bullpen and maybe even starters figure into BC's thinking. I would think that the bullpen needs are so obvious that performances good or bad at this point are not going to sway or deter BC at all. Maybe performances by the starters going into the deadline might have an impact.

 

Having pushed Lester to Tuesday, I guess means what at this point...Workman to start the Rays series on Monday?

[SoxSport]

If it is Peavy, I would think the Sox would end up willing to give up a bit of talent...not talent they really care about but talent in order to cut into that money. Their bullpen issues are really the most pressing at this point. Taz is not looking good and we could easily overtax Ueh. Miller put a big hurt on the pen when he went down and Bailey is gone. I think the smart play will be to take care of the pen issue if they can. If that gets done, then maybe they can go get a rotation arm. But I don't where the pen is at all at this point.

 

I'm thinking maybe they've changed their view on a rental. Garza vs Peavy. Peavy is more expensive and adds another year. Garza is a 2 month deal, which is what they need. The key is what they have to give up to get him. Maybe Hoyer and Cherington can figure something out. They don't really need another veteran starter beyond the next couple months. Garza fits.

 

No doubt they are also after another reliever.

[Palodios]

That package is way better than what the Royals gave up for Shields et al. Because of the position he plays, right now Bogaerts is arguably more valuable right now than Myers was last off-season.

 

Just to be clear, Chris Sale is signed for 7 more years. That's why the package is so much better.

[User Name]

I don't quite think we're on the same page here. I am saying that package would get it done because it is vastly superior to the one KC sent to the Rays, and that it would get it done. That has been the point all along.