2013 Spring Training

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

Here's what an intelligent conversation about JBJ looks like.

 

sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/76491-jackie-bradley-jr-could-he-be-shipping-up-to-boston

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

The Red Sox front office have actually hired people off of Sons of Sam Horn based on what they've said. I don't think anyone could get hired at McDonalds based on what they say here.

[BSN07]

The Red Sox front office have actually hired people off of Sons of Sam Horn based on what they've said. I don't think anyone could get hired at McDonalds based on what they say here.

 

I'm mad at myself for laughing at this

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox front office have actually hired people off of Sons of Sam Horn based on what they've said. I don't think anyone could get hired at McDonalds based on what they say here.

 

Yeah, everyone here is stupid and you're a genius. That's why you keep coming here, insulting people and getting banned. Your intelligence is really on display.

[jung]

A full season of Ells could be more valuable than a half season or less of Ells but I think we were discussing the possibility of a mid-season or maybe trade deadline trade. As I wrote in my post,

 

"Hard to expect a team to give up that much for half or less of a season of production."

 

So the premise would be that the Sox would attempt to make a go of it with this squad and could be sellers at some point during the season.

 

There is the chance that a good, injury free, first half would offset the time element. How much is anybodies guess. I would think the Sox would in fact get a bit more for him if the team trading for him were negotiating before the start of the season. The receiving team would get a full season out of Ells and more time to try to work out a deal with Boras for his continuing services.

 

While an injury free, partial season would certainly be part of BC's value argument in a trade negotiation, if I were on the opposite side, negotiating with the Sox before the start of the season, I would likely be willing to give up more for him at that point than I would later on when I can only get a half season or maybe less of production out of Ells and would also have less time to try to work something out with Boras.

[mvp 78]

Being an 85 win team is not within striking distance...

[mvp 78]

Here's what an intelligent conversation about JBJ looks like.

 

sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/76491-jackie-bradley-jr-could-he-be-shipping-up-to-boston

 

Feel free to go jerk off to some Todd Benzinger posts, clearly we don't give a s***.

[Cano In Dodger Blue]

Being an 85 win team is not within striking distance...

 

Didn't an 88 win team win the World Series last year?

[mvp 78]

Didn't an 88 win team win the World Series last year?

 

If you think the Sox could win next year, you should be laughed off any Sox board.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yup, this would be common sense.

 

Next time someone has an idea here, you should check out Sons of Sam Horn, see if other people there are being made fun of for suggesting a similarly ridiculous or outlandish idea and then proceed accordingly. That web site is like this one except they don't constantly troll/flame eachother and they know their baseball.

 

Of course they don't troll at SOSH. Apparently, they're too busy creating accounts to troll here, instead.

[seabeachfred]

A full season of Ells could be more valuable than a half season or less of Ells but I think we were discussing the possibility of a mid-season or maybe trade deadline trade. As I wrote in my post,

 

"Hard to expect a team to give up that much for half or less of a season of production."

 

So the premise would be that the Sox would attempt to make a go of it with this squad and could be sellers at some point during the season.

 

There is the chance that a good, injury free, first half would offset the time element. How much is anybodies guess. I would think the Sox would in fact get a bit more for him if the team trading for him were negotiating before the start of the season. The receiving team would get a full season out of Ells and more time to try to work out a deal with Boras for his continuing services.

 

While an injury free, partial season would certainly be part of BC's value argument in a trade negotiation, if I were on the opposite side, negotiating with the Sox before the start of the season, I would likely be willing to give up more for him at that point than I would later on when I can only get a half season or maybe less of production out of Ells and would also have less time to try to work something out with Boras.

 

No matter how you slice it Ellsbury had better be able to stay in one piece this season and not get injured at all. We all know he is the slowest healer in the game and if he proves to be made out of tin again he will get no real big offer that he and Boras think they deserve. He would then have to sign a one year deal with the Red Sox or some other team because no club in their right mind is going to invest money on a guy who is only one bump from a three to five month stay on the disabled list.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I don't get all of these people calling Ellsbury fragile. The man was run down at full speed by Adrian Beltre. Calling someone fragile for being injured in that situation is like calling someone fragile after they've had a piano dropped on their head from a helicopter.

 

...also, no one else create a band called Helicopter Piano, I call dibs.

[a700hitter]

Feel free to go jerk off to some Todd Benzinger posts, clearly we don't give a s***.

That Todd Benzinger bore is still there.

[mvp 78]

That Todd Benzinger bore is still there.

 

I've had zero interest in going over there. Used to read it years ago, but it was just boring as s***.

[a700hitter]

I've had zero interest in going over there. Used to read it years ago, but it was just boring as s***.

and you see enough spreadsheets at work.

[mvp 78]

and you see enough spreadsheets at work.

 

Exactly. I'm all for statistics, but the majority of people think that the more information you provide, the better you argument is. Well, that's not always true. I post on here to have fun, not to try and impress everyone.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Exactly. I'm all for statistics, but the majority of people think that the more information you provide, the better you argument is. Well, that's not always true. I post on here to have fun, not to try and impress everyone.

 

Amen.

[a700hitter]

Exactly. I'm all for statistics, but the majority of people think that the more information you provide, the better you argument is. Well, that's not always true. I post on here to have fun, not to try and impress everyone.

That's right. We've never impressed each other.

[Orange Juiced]

The Red Sox front office have actually hired people off of Sons of Sam Horn based on what they've said. I don't think anyone could get hired at McDonalds based on what they say here.

 

I've been a SoSH member (under a different handle) for a while, and, while there are definitely some pretty sharp cookies over there, it's full of pompous windbags who are completely full of themselves, and who seriously overestimate their analytical ability and understanding of the game or of the sports world in general.

[mvp 78]

I've been a SoSH member (under a different handle) for a while, and, while there are definitely some pretty sharp cookies over there, it's full of pompous windbags who are completely full of themselves, and who seriously overestimate their analytical ability and understanding of the game or of the sports world in general.

 

So like Dutchy/Imperial/Cano/etc. then?

[Orange Juiced]

So like Dutchy/Imperial/Cano/etc. then?

 

I really don't know this guy at all...i've been in and out of talksox lately so I can't speak too intelligently on what he does or does not bring to the table.

 

Looks like he's not well liked here though....

[bbjackernator]

I'd equate the baseball knowledge of fans here to that of a bar patron. Saying that my level of baseball knowledge goes deeper than that isn't exactly a stretch. Nor is it a stretch to suggest that the level of discourse in Sons of Sam Horn is better than the level of discourse here. This is like the Bleacher Report of Sox forums.

[mvp 78]

I'd equate the baseball knowledge of fans here to that of a bar patron. Saying that my level of baseball knowledge goes deeper than that isn't exactly a stretch. Nor is it a stretch to suggest that the level of discourse in Sons of Sam Horn is better than the level of discourse here. This is like the Bleacher Report of Sox forums.

 

See what I'm saying OJ?

[bbjackernator]

See what I'm saying OJ?

 

Feel free to try to prove me wrong. Care to weigh in on why b-WAR is better than f-WAR for judging historical performances, whether you prefer the formulas for SIERA or xFIP and why or which formula for expected BABIP you feel is most accurate?

[a700hitter]

Feel free to try to prove me wrong. Care to weigh in on why b-WAR is better than f-WAR for judging historical performances, whether you prefer the formulas for SIERA or xFIP and why or which formula for expected BABIP you feel is most accurate?

Impressive. Yet, you still don't have a driver's license.

[mvp 78]

Feel free to try to prove me wrong. Care to weigh in on why b-WAR is better than f-WAR for judging historical performances, whether you prefer the formulas for SIERA or xFIP and why or which formula for expected BABIP you feel is most accurate?

 

You're continuing to prove me right.

 

If this place was so horrible, you wouldn't waste time here.

 

If you can only judge baseball discourse by advanced statistics, you must be a hit at parties. Advanced statistics have their place, but they shouldn't be the only means of communication.

 

As a person with a BS in Math, an MA in Accounting, an MBA and who has passed the CPA exam, I think WAR formulas are flawed and FIP is even worse. People on here last year were saying that Lester was just unlucky because of his FIP. In real life, it was obvious that he was pitching like hot garbage.

 

I post on here to have fun. Nothing more. If you're looking for something else, why bother coming here?

 

Don't get me wrong, I find it endlessly entertaining that you constantly go after A700.

[Bellhorn04]

I thought they could do the permanent ban thing on this site.

[a700hitter]

You're continuing to prove me right.

 

If this place was so horrible, you wouldn't waste time here.

 

If you can only judge baseball discourse by advanced statistics, you must be a hit at parties. Advanced statistics have their place, but they shouldn't be the only means of communication.

 

As a person with a BS in Math, an MA in Accounting, an MBA and who has passed the CPA exam, I think WAR formulas are flawed and FIP is even worse. People on here last year were saying that Lester was just unlucky because of his FIP. In real life, it was obvious that he was pitching like hot garbage.

 

I post on here to have fun. Nothing more. If you're looking for something else, why bother coming here?

 

Don't get me wrong, I find it endlessly entertaining that you constantly go after A700.

So do I.

[bbjackernator]

Impressive. Yet, you still don't have a driver's license.

 

Thank you for proving me right.

[Orange Juiced]

I'd equate the baseball knowledge of fans here to that of a bar patron. Saying that my level of baseball knowledge goes deeper than that isn't exactly a stretch. Nor is it a stretch to suggest that the level of discourse in Sons of Sam Horn is better than the level of discourse here. This is like the Bleacher Report of Sox forums.

 

This may or may not be true. But if it stinks so badly in here, why, exactly, are you here?

 

Are you here just to rag on people? If so, that says a lot more about you than anyone here.

 

Are you trying to raise the level of discourse? If so, you're doing a relatively poor job of it.

 

Are you trying to demonstrate some level of superiority? If so, that's a pretty lame motivation.

 

So what purpose are you trying to serve here if this is such a crappy place to talk about the Red Sox?