Red Sox and Pirates have discussed Hanrahan

[SoxSport]

Anybody can "eat innings." The question is how many quality starts? Eat innings is a bunch of BS.

What good is a guy who pitches 200 innings with an ERA over 5? It's about quality starts.

[Dojji]

Anybody can "eat innings." The question is how many quality starts? Eat innings is a bunch of BS.

What good is a guy who pitches 200 innings with an ERA over 5? It's about quality starts.

 

Show me the last guy who pitched 200 innings with an ERA of 5.

 

If you're eating innings, you're making quality starts. Otherwise you're out of the game before you can eat any innings.

[Bellhorn04]

Show me the last guy who pitched 200 innings with an ERA of 5.

 

Dojji, please don't put questions like that out there...it always sends me digging for the answer.

 

I thought D-Lowe might have pulled this off. Not quite, but he did have 2 seasons with a 5+ERA and 180+ innings.

 

Ryan Dempster pulled it off in 2002. That's as far as I'm looking.

[jung]

Not asking for more research believe me. While 200 and 5 should be a stretch for obvious reasons, getting close to it could have as much to do with the manager as the pitcher. Some managers will allow a starter one ugly inning and will get out the hook very quickly as soon as said starter looks like he "might" be headed for another. Some managers will give a starter more of a chance to pitch his way through even if he started a later inning (5th on up) with a walk or a hit. Sometimes that will work out and sometimes it won't.

[User Name]

Show me the last guy who pitched 200 innings with an ERA of 5.

 

If you're eating innings, you're making quality starts. Otherwise you're out of the game before you can eat any innings.

 

Since 2009, exactly three pitchers (James Shields, Jeremy Guthrie and Bronson Arroyo) have managed to pitch 200 or more innings with an ERA over 5.00. All three of those cases however, are statistical outliers since they all had what amounts to an awful stretch that threw their season under the bus. They all had an above-average amount of quality starts in those seasons as well.

[a700hitter]

If Bailey can stay healthy and Hanrahan doesn't blow up, they should tream up to be a nice end of the game bullpen. It should be a huge improvement over last year's late inning debacle. This is the single biggest area of improvement made this off season IMO. I think it nets us a pickup of close to 10 games in the standings. I am not sure that our other moves net us any gain in the standings.

[mvp 78]

10 games from 69 wins, or 10 games from the 81 win pace they had before the trade?

[a700hitter]

10 games from 69 wins, or 10 games from the 81 win pace they had before the trade?

10 wins from the 69 wins from last year. I see them finishing with between 79 and 84 wins. I think they will start fast and be competitive for most of the season, but the lack of starting pitching depth will catch up to them in August and things will start breaking down. My opinion is based on current personnel which hopefully will be improved before spring training.

[SoxSport]

OK. I'll bite. What good is a guy who throws 200 innings with an ERA over 4?

 

Quality starts, by the way, are not a highly regarded stat, since 3 ER's over 6 innings gives an ERA of 4.50 --which sucks. It's been pointed out that a guy who throws a complete game and gives up 4 earned runs--all in the first 6 innings--does not get a quality start.

 

Most top pitchers who throw "quality" starts have much lower ERAs. 2 ERs over 6 innings would be much better quality and typical of the top pitchers.

[User Name]

Pretty damn good if he's in the back of your rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

Quality starts, by the way, are not a highly regarded stat, since 3 ER's over 6 innings gives an ERA of 4.50 --which sucks. It's been pointed out that a guy who throws a complete game and gives up 4 earned runs--all in the first 6 innings--does not get a quality start.

 

Most top pitchers who throw "quality" starts have much lower ERAs. 2 ERs over 6 innings would be much better quality and typical of the top pitchers.

 

I agree that the quality start is a somewhat crude stat, and it could stand to be refined a bit. I think it has some usefulness though. To me the quality start % is what matters.

 

With regard to the 4.50 ERA, again I agree but I think you have to keep in mind that 3 in 6 is the bare minimum. If a pitcher throws 20 quality starts in a season, he'll usually have an ERA much less than 4.50 in those starts.

[mvp 78]

Pretty damn good if he's in the back of your rotation.

 

Yup, give me 6 innings and 3 ER all day from the 5. What was it last year, 5 innings 5 ER for the 5's. Any competency would be an improvement over last year.

[jung]

That would actually be pretty darned excellent performance from a 5. You do have to get more than that up at the top of the rotation but those numbers would be super for a 5.

[SoxSport]

The trouble with the Sox is their top starters have ERAs over 4. That puts a lot of pressure on the hitters. That has to change this year, or Farrell will fail. The hitting is never good enough on the road to offset bad pitching.

[Behindenemylines]

Yup, give me 6 innings and 3 ER all day from the 5. What was it last year, 5 innings 5 ER for the 5's. Any competency would be an improvement over last year.

 

If the bullpen lives up to its potential then 6 innings and 3 ER from the starters will add up to a lot of wins. If the starters can consistently get the Sox into the 7th inning then Sox bullpen won't be over used and I think it has a chance to be really good. With that said there are still a lot of ifs. If the starters can do that. If the bullpen does pitch to their potential.

[User Name]

The trouble with the Sox is their top starters have ERAs over 4. That puts a lot of pressure on the hitters. That has to change this year, or Farrell will fail. The hitting is never good enough on the road to offset bad pitching.

 

So for the season that hasn't started, the top three of the Red Sox rotation already have an ERA over 4? Goddamn that's a major accomplishment!

[mvp 78]

So for the season that hasn't started, the top three of the Red Sox rotation already have an ERA over 4? Goddamn that's a major accomplishment!

 

We're lucky they aren't over 5 already!