Red Sox and Pirates have discussed Hanrahan

[Bellhorn04]

Lillibridge was thrown in because he was going to get cut when they added Youkilis. We took him to make it look like we got a return. He had no value.

 

But we traded Lillibridge to Cleveland for reliever Jose De La Torre, who actually had pretty good numbers in the minors last year. And Lillibridge had 123 PA's for Cleveland after only 16 with the Red Sox.

[a700hitter]

But we traded Lillibridge to Cleveland for reliever Jose De La Torre, who actually had pretty good numbers in the minors last year. And Lillibridge had 123 PA's for Cleveland after only 16 with the Red Sox.

 

Lillibridge has way more talent than Nava, plus he can play IF and OF, and he had Zero trade value. The guy we got is a 26 old non- prospect. Maybe someday if he is lucky he will be an emergency arm for a depleted pen on the Pawtucket shuttle. Nava could not even net us this type of player in a trade. He's certainly not going to entice the Pirates to add Garret Jones to the Hanrahan deal.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox's trade for Joel Hanrahan could signal that the front office believes that they can contend next season, writes Alex Speier of WEEI.com.* If the deal is built around a player other than Hanrahan who can be controlled for multiple years, then that may not be the exact case. But if Hanrahan is the true centerpiece of the swap and the other player is more of a complementary piece, then it could mean that Boston expects to win next year.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#04ekBeRZHy6vtRge.99

I am not quite sure what to make of this.

[example1]

I am not quite sure what to make of this.

 

I think Speier is missing the fact that relievers like Hanrahan could be valuable trade pieces at the deadline, even on a bad club.

[a700hitter]

I think Speier is missing the fact that relievers like Hanrahan could be valuable trade pieces at the deadline, even on a bad club.

Who else could be the centerpiece?

[Palodios]

Who else could be the centerpiece?

 

I'd love to see Wandy Rodriguez from the Pirates over here. Pitchers with that kind of consistency are very valuable.

[SoxSport]

I think Speier is stretching his reasoning somewhat on Hanrahan. More likely, they want him as insurance in case Bailey slips on a banana peel--or as a solid 1-2 punch with Bailey reminiscent of the old Bard-Papelbon days. I also think it's true they expect rebounds from a lot of their core players, and probably aren't sure of the upside. They have nowhere else to go but up.

 

Happy Holidays to all you folks.

[Dojji]

I think the Sox think they can win.

 

I also think that getting Hanrahan is aimed at helping us win.

 

I also think the Sox aren't deluded that they're any kind of frontrunner. What they're doing amounts to not locking the door and throwing away the key just in case lady luck starts knocking.

[hoffmanbd18]

new poster here, been viewing this site for years. help me out, if we only have Hanrahan for one year and he departs via FA, would the RS get a draft pick out of it?

[Palodios]

new poster here, been viewing this site for years. help me out, if we only have Hanrahan for one year and he departs via FA, would the RS get a draft pick out of it?

 

Only if they offer him a $14 million dollar one year contract, and he rejects it to sign somewhere else.

 

So, probably not. However, with some success in 2013 he'll probably be worth a top tier prospect on the trade market midseason if the situation comes up.

[mvp 78]

Or he pitches well and the Sox just keep him?

[SoxFanForsyth]

new poster here, been viewing this site for years. help me out, if we only have Hanrahan for one year and he departs via FA, would the RS get a draft pick out of it?

 

Just to clarify what Pal said, the Sox must offer him a 'qualifying offer' to get a draft pick back if he leaves.

 

A qualifying offer is the average of the top 125 salaries in the game. For 2012, that number was $13.3 million. In 2013, that number will only grow due to 2012 FA.

 

If the Sox offer him a qualifying offer, he would likely accept it, as that would then tie a draft pick to him and he would be hard fought to find a 14mm (or whatever the number is) deal without a draft pick with his name. With one, it would be nearly impossible (see: Rafael Soriano)

[lospunchados]

Lillibridge has way more talent than Nava, plus he can play IF and OF, and he had Zero trade value. The guy we got is a 26 old non- prospect. Maybe someday if he is lucky he will be an emergency arm for a depleted pen on the Pawtucket shuttle. Nava could not even net us this type of player in a trade. He's certainly not going to entice the Pirates to add Garret Jones to the Hanrahan deal.

 

Lillibridge might have more "talent" than nava , but he's not a better player. his stat lines suck it's amazing Lillibridge got anything. Nava is a good bench guy and yes lillibridge could play the infield, but not very well. He rated way below average everyone in the infield excpet when he plays first base.

 

Nava works counts and gets on base, seems like a good guy to come off the bench once in a while.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Gammons is reporting that the deal is done.

 

Still haven't heard the rest of the names.

 

Pimental & Sands from the Sox are what I've heard as certainties, with speculation on Melancon.

 

Hanrahan from Pitt.

[Dojji]

The success of the deal is going to depend a lot on who the other player coming from Pittsburgh is.

 

If it's Sands, Pimentel and melancon for just Hanrahan that's absurd. None of those 3 have incredible value, but they all have positive value, and all three for a reliever is just odd, especially if Hanrahan isn't going to close here.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The success of the deal is going to depend a lot on who the other player coming from Pittsburgh is.

 

Not entirely.

 

I see Sands as a bigger loss than Melancon, to be honest. But I don't see any of the players we're giving up as significant.

 

And I see Hanrahan as a significant return.

[Dojji]

I see relievers a bit differently than you do. With a very few exceptions relievers are pretty much interchangable parts. A good consistent reliever can be hard to find, but is less valuable than what I feel Jerry Sands can be if he gets going.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Red Sox get Hanrahan and Brock Holt for Melancon, Pimental, Ivan De Jesus, and Jerry Sands.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Now the question is whether the Sox dish Bailey + a small piece for Porcello.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Holt hit .344/.406/.453/.859 w/16 SBs (in 29 attempts) in Double-A and Triple-A as a 24-yr-old in 2012 (126 games)

[Dojji]

*checks numbers*

 

OK what we have here is an offensive prospect who's played some short in the minors. and has a .808 career minor league OPS led by a very high OBP. Also boasts some speed, although he gets caught a lot.

 

All I ask is to be able to see what Cherrington is thinking, and I can definitely see why Holt was in this deal. Solid move shoring up our depth at a very weak position.

[Palodios]

Sounds like Holt profiles as a utility infielder with a decent bat off the bench.

 

Melancon and three nothings is still a pretty good deal for Hanrahan, I think. The Red Sox won't have nearly as much depth at RP as we had thought prior to the final pieces to be announced, but it should still be a sweet bullpen.

[Dojji]

If Holt's any good defensively at shortstop, with his OBP, I doubt he's just a UT guy here. I think we just found the guy Bogaerts is going to have to beat to make SS his own,

[Designated Hater]

Just the fact that Brock Holt is 1) a middle infielder by trade that can be converted to a full time SS and 2) he posted an average in, yes, a VERY small sample size in the bigs, but it was 92 POINTS ABOVE THE MENDOZA LINE is enough for me.

 

Iglesias is going to die in AAA if he doesn't discover how to hit the baseball. Just being able to field doesn't get you to the bigs anymore. It's not 1965.

 

The Bailey deal with the A's looks even worse today, but you can't fix it. Weep for a moment Red Sox FO and then move on. No need to hyper-focus on yet another s*** move. Just make better ones.

[Dojji]

Apparently he only has average tools as an SS, but average tools and a very strong OBP is a cut above what we've had there over the last several years, so I'm on board with putting Holt in the mix at short.

[Palodios]

If Holt's any good defensively at shortstop, with his OBP, I doubt he's just a UT guy here. I think we just found the guy Bogaerts is going to have to beat to make SS his own,

 

Sure, but more so in the way of Pedroia beating Alex Cora than anything more substantial than that. It just seems like Holt is destined to be a bench player -- Drew, Iggy and Bogaertz all have higher ceilings than him, so best case scenario he spends half a season as the starter in 2013.

[Dojji]

Not so sure about that vis-a-vis Iglesias, I think he is what he is. Drew is here for 1 year. Bogearts might be as many as 2 years away or more -- there's a gap there that we only have Ciriaco to fill right now

 

I think Holt could be a significant part of our picture at SS over the next 2 years, longer if Bogaerts falters.

 

If Middlebrooks gets hurt next year, we could see Ciriaco as the regular third baseman and Holt backing up short when the inevitable Drew injury happens.

[SeanJohn93]

I was trying to post a youtube video of bolt's batting practices but the site said I have to have atleast 15 posts on the site when I have 45. Anyone know what the problem is?

[a700hitter]

Brock Holt? I didn't see that coming. I was really hoping for Garett Jones. Good riddance to Melancon. What a turd! Ben thought his career was emerging, but it was about to submerge. Maybe he'll be a useful MIR guy for the Pirates. You don't use valuable trade chips to get a MIR guy.

[a700hitter]

Two of the four players that we got from LA have been dumped. Two are left. It's starting to look more and more like a salary dump where we got just enough in return that the Commissioner would let it go through. We never wanted any of those guys, except De La Rosa who is probably a reliever.