Rotation

[Bellhorn04]

Edwin Jackson is looking for 4-5 years. Yikes, count me out.

 

LMAO. What a dreamer. Has anybody even offered him 2?

[rjortiz]

LMAO. What a dreamer. Has anybody even offered him 2?

 

Texas and Chicago will make sure he gets 4 years.

[BSN07]

Pass on Jackson at 4-5 yeas. Boras is going to be Sainted soon with all the miracles he pulls off.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jackson had offers enough to turn down a 3 yr deal in SD. He's the last real innings eater without major questionmarks on the market. He's gonna get his years and his money. Last yr, Boras held out for the big money contract and got left with a 1 yr deal. This yr, he wont be so patient

[Behindenemylines]

LMAO. What a dreamer. Has anybody even offered him 2?

 

Cubs made his dream come true.

[Lucienbel]

Cubs made his dream come true.

 

This is an interesting move to me. I haven't followed the Cubs at all really, are they planning on contending so soon? Or is Jackson just completely after the money? Jackson is good enough to slot in with a team that can contend.

[Palodios]

This is an interesting move to me. I haven't followed the Cubs at all really, are they planning on contending so soon? Or is Jackson just completely after the money? Jackson is good enough to slot in with a team that can contend.

 

Sounds like a contract the Cubs sign in order to ship him out to someone else for prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Cubs made his dream come true.

 

Ludicrous.

[dupree]

I seen on MLB Tonight that Jon Heyman believes the Red Sox are in on Kyle Lohse. Has anyone seen any reports that the Sox have talken to him and did the Cardinals issue him a qualifying offer which would send them a draft pick. I figured the Sox were right at the Salary Cap limit so i dont see where his salary would fit unless a trade would be made to clear payroll and he is a Boras client i do believe correct me if im wrong. As bad as i hate to say it i dont see Lohse putting up as good of numbers as Dempster will in the AL East i think a Parcello or a Marcum would be a much better option than overpaying for Lohse.

 

Also does anyone know how many years and how much Lohse is acting for?

and what could Marcum be signed for?

[Spitball]

I seen on MLB Tonight that Jon Heyman believes the Red Sox are in on Kyle Lohse. Has anyone seen any reports that the Sox have talken to him and did the Cardinals issue him a qualifying offer which would send them a draft pick. I figured the Sox were right at the Salary Cap limit so i dont see where his salary would fit unless a trade would be made to clear payroll and he is a Boras client i do believe correct me if im wrong. As bad as i hate to say it i dont see Lohse putting up as good of numbers as Dempster will in the AL East i think a Parcello or a Marcum would be a much better option than overpaying for Lohse.

 

Also does anyone know how many years and how much Lohse is acting for?

and what could Marcum be signed for?

 

As I understand it, Lohse wants at least a three year deal and will cost a draft pick compensation. With those factors and the signing of Dempster, I can't see the Red Sox going for him.

[jopete19]

I like what Benny Boy is doing by not losing us a draft pick so far. If he has gone this far without losing draft pick I don't see him doing so.

[Spitball]

I bet the Sox go with Buchholz, Lester, Doubront, Lackey, and Dempster in their rotation.

 

Last year Boros tried to play hardball with Edwin Jackson and Ryan Madson, and they ended up having to settle for one year contracts to re-enter the market. I can't see him doing that with a 34 year-old Lohse, but if he does, the draft pick compensation should still scare off the Sox. I bet he ends up with the LAA, Rangers, or possibly the Guardians.

[SoxSport]

Pass on Jackson at 4-5 yeas. Boras is going to be Sainted soon with all the miracles he pulls off.

 

Boras is becoming a liability. Some teams won't deal with him. His prices are too high.

[User Name]

I bet the Sox go with Buchholz, Lester, Doubront, Lackey, and Dempster in their rotation.

 

Last year Boros tried to play hardball with Edwin Jackson and Ryan Madson, and they ended up having to settle for one year contracts to re-enter the market. I can't see him doing that with a 34 year-old Lohse, but if he does, the draft pick compensation should still scare off the Sox. I bet he ends up with the LAA, Rangers, or possibly the Guardians.

 

I wonder what gives with Marcum. For all the success he's had in the past, he doesn't seem to be generating much interest. I know he's a soft-tosser and he doesn't generate a lot of groundballs but he's always been effective and his secondary stuff is very good.

[jung]

Can't believe there is simply no interest as pitching,...any kind of pitching is valued at some level these days. Maybe there is an inside the beltway knowledge of pending injury doom for Marcum and nobody is willing to touch him.

 

It looks a little like this year's version of Oswalt whose situation was apparently injury concern motivated.

[mvp 78]

Even if Marcum could only give 150 innings, it'd still be an upgrade over our current 4 and 5.

[Palodios]

I wonder what gives with Marcum. For all the success he's had in the past, he doesn't seem to be generating much interest. I know he's a soft-tosser and he doesn't generate a lot of groundballs but he's always been effective and his secondary stuff is very good.

 

There is plenty of interest, but from all the wrong teams. It sounds like the Guardians, Twins, Mets, Padres and Cubs are his current suitors. He had elbow AND shoulder problems last year, so he's probably priced himself out for contenders.

 

I just don't understand why the Red Sox don't try to get him aboard-- he's definitely the missing piece for this team. I think there enough health concerns with this rotation that he could definitely help out, and he won't cost a draft pick.

[jung]

I think he would be an upgrade as well but is he willing to take 4, 5 rotation money even if from a big market team....and how does that rate with possible positions higher up in the rotation from smaller market teams that might take more of a gamble on him.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread we seem to be into a really interesting time in team considerations regarding players with existing conditions among other things which may lead up to a very interesting next CBA negotiation.

 

Hamilton got five years but I don't think he even got to sniff seven years. Oswalt was close to driven into retirement last year before signing. The Napoli deal appears to be going nowhere unless he takes the language in the original Sox contract or fewer years (shorter term) at the same per annum. There are other examples as well but those come to mind.

[Spitball]

I think he would be an upgrade as well but is he willing to take 4, 5 rotation money even if from a big market team....and how does that rate with possible positions higher up in the rotation from smaller market teams that might take more of a gamble on him.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread we seem to be into a really interesting time in team considerations regarding players with existing conditions among other things which may lead up to a very interesting next CBA negotiation.

 

Hamilton got five years but I don't think he even got to sniff seven years. Oswalt was close to driven into retirement last year before signing. The Napoli deal appears to be going nowhere unless he takes the language in the original Sox contract or fewer years (shorter term) at the same per annum. There are other examples as well but those come to mind.

 

I had not seen Marcum pitch often until the 2011 playoffs. Damn, he was awful. I just don't think I trust his abilities.

[Lucienbel]

There is plenty of interest, but from all the wrong teams. It sounds like the Guardians, Twins, Mets, Padres and Cubs are his current suitors. He had elbow AND shoulder problems last year, so he's probably priced himself out for contenders.

 

I just don't understand why the Red Sox don't try to get him aboard-- he's definitely the missing piece for this team. I think there enough health concerns with this rotation that he could definitely help out, and he won't cost a draft pick.

 

This is exactly where I'm at on him too. I don't see signing him hurting us in any way, and at the very least he could be reinforcement for the rotation.

[dupree]

This is exactly where I'm at on him too. I don't see signing him hurting us in any way, and at the very least he could be reinforcement for the rotation.

 

I agree he would definitely be reinforcement for our?marked rotation, but im wondering if the front office is looking at the current rotation as it stands to be a bridge to if anyone goes down with injuries which is bound to happen it always does that a prospect will get called up so he can get big league experience.

 

I think Marcum would be a nice fit and give most of us more peace of mind but i also like the idea of giving the young guys a shot... Oakland does it year and year... i know they dont spend like the sox and have to bring the guys up when FA pitchers leave.. What im saying is if it works for them giving kids a chance id say lets see what they are made of.

[Bellhorn04]

This is exactly where I'm at on him too. I don't see signing him hurting us in any way, and at the very least he could be reinforcement for the rotation.

 

The MLB roster rules prevent teams from doing things like stockpiling 'extra arms'. If you sign Marcum you have to remove somebody from the 40-man roster. We've already had to cut loose Atchison and Josh Fields, two pitchers I'm sure the team would love to have kept in reserve.

[BSN07]

Also there is just no room for him now unless someone goes down, as it stands

 

Lester

Buccholz

Demspster

Doubront

Lackey

 

With Morales, Miller, Aceves, Tazawa as all guys that can be stretched out for long man swing man guy. The back of the BP is also full. Unless they trade Miller and say Aceves or whomever I don't think they will be able to give a ML deal to any SP. I still hope they can get Jurrgens on a Minor league deal and stash him in AAA.

[PlugInHysteriaBaby]

I had not seen Marcum pitch often until the 2011 playoffs. Damn, he was awful. I just don't think I trust his abilities.

 

There are rare pitchers that can live off of a lack of stuff, like Marcum, by moving the ball in and out, up, and down, and not walking anybody, but they're few and far between.

 

For every Greg Maddux there are 30 Jon Garlands.

 

I'd cringe watching Marcum and his 86 MPH fastball in the AL East.

[PlugInHysteriaBaby]

Also there is just no room for him now unless someone goes down, as it stands

 

Lester

Buccholz

Demspster

Doubront

Lackey

 

With Morales, Miller, Aceves, Tazawa as all guys that can be stretched out for long man swing man guy. The back of the BP is also full. Unless they trade Miller and say Aceves or whomever I don't think they will be able to give a ML deal to any SP. I still hope they can get Jurrgens on a Minor league deal and stash him in AAA.

 

Not to mention guys that could conceivably step in, if needed, during the season - Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Stephen Wright, Chris Hernandez, Godfrey..

[BSN07]

Not to mention guys that could conceivably step in, if needed, during the season - Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Stephen Wright, Chris Hernandez, Godfrey..

 

True, I left these players off as they can be sent to AAA with no issues.

[a700hitter]

Not to mention guys that could conceivably step in, if needed, during the season - Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Stephen Wright, Chris Hernandez, Godfrey..

If we start seeing these guys, the team will be heading in the wrong direction.

[a700hitter]

Not to mention guys that could conceivably step in, if needed, during the season - Allen Webster, De La Rosa, Stephen Wright, Chris Hernandez, Godfrey..

If we start seeing these guys, the team will be heading in the wrong direction.

[PlugInHysteriaBaby]

If we start seeing these guys, the team will be heading in the wrong direction.

 

Could be. Naturally the hope is to have 5 healthy, productive starters, but all I was trying to illustrate is that there is fair, if not good, depth in the system that could conceivably contribute.

[a700hitter]

Could be. Naturally the hope is to have 5 healthy, productive starters, but all I was trying to illustrate is that there is fair, if not good, depth in the system that could conceivably contribute.

IMO this is not good depth at all.