Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[SoxSport]

My only conclusion after observing what the Red Sox are doing so far is Henry is going to sell the team within 2-3 years. They aren't going the extra mile to win, despite having the salary space. Coupled with the rumors in the business community out there about the Red Sox, it looks like they are putting the Sox in a very good financial position to be sold.

[a700hitter]

We still need a first baseman to share first with Napoli. The starting pitching is still dangerously thin, and we have only one right handed hitting outfielder, who might as well be wearing a meat cleaver instead of a mitt, because he is a butcher in the field. We got 3 catchers in addition to Napoli who should see some time behind the plate. The smart thing would have been to trade Salty before signing Ross and Napoli. Teams now know that we're not going to carry 4 catchers. We are probably not going to let Lavarnway rot in AAA, so we will move Salty one way or the other. This drops his value. Teams will wait until we are forced to DFA him.

[Dojji]

I don't think they traded for Jerry Sands to let him rot in the minors. There's your other 1B.

 

As for pitching, I never saw an option that looked better to me than counting on the guys we have to play up to their talent. A lot of chances to really do damage to the franchise and when you're not in a position to go over the top, the only guys I even consider moving for are Greinke and Anibal and they both just got seriously overpaid.

[a700hitter]

I don't think they traded for Jerry Sands to let him rot in the minors. There's your other 1B.

 

As for pitching, I never saw an option that looked better to me than counting on the guys we have to play up to their talent. A lot of chances to really do damage to the franchise and when you're not in a position to go over the top, the only guys I even consider moving for are Greinke and Anibal and they both just got seriously overpaid.

I forgot about Sands, but I thought he was an OFer. If he can play 1B and OF, he could be the RH bat needed.

[a700hitter]

Mets Close To Trading R.A. Dickey

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 14 at 3:27pm CST]

 

All signs point to the Mets trading R.A. Dickey, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter). The sides aren't progressing toward an extension, and Dickey's one-year, $5MM salary seems quite appealing to teams seeking pitching. Here are today's Dickey rumors, with the most recent items up top...

 

The Mets are close to trading Dickey, Mike Puma of the New York Post reports. The Blue Jays, Angels, Orioles and Rangers appear to be the four teams involved.

 

Two of the teams involved are in our division.

[a700hitter]

What do people think about Salty, Kalish and Webster for RA?

[dupree]

What do people think about Salty, Kalish and Webster for RA?

 

No.

[BSN07]

What do people think about Salty, Kalish and Webster for RA?

 

Leave out Webster and maybe. I'd rather they avoid the Dickey circus to be honest. I don't see the point in trading good prospects for a 38 year old knuckler when there is a carbon copy of him already in the system(Wright is more of a Dickey knuckler then a Wakefield).

 

 

He's has 3 good years in a row. How many more does everyone think he actually has? He's a knuckler, it's all going to average out eventually. And I'd rather he not be on the Sox when he comes back to earth.

[dupree]

I would rather give Wright the chance than Dickey

i wouldnt waste Salty and Kalish on Dickey i dont care if he did win the Cy Young Award

i honestly dont nothing about Webster to make a comment on him... also i think the rangers trade for him after they lost out on Hamilton

[a700hitter]

Leave out Webster and maybe. I'd rather they avoid the Dickey circus to be honest. I don't see the point in trading good prospects for a 38 year old knuckler when there is a carbon copy of him already in the system(Wright is more of a Dickey knuckler then a Wakefield).

 

 

He's has 3 good years in a row. How many more does everyone think he actually has? He's a knuckler, it's all going to average out eventually. And I'd rather he not be on the Sox when he comes back to earth.

"Dickey Circus" Yes, it is grade school humor, but I find it funny nonetheless. I am with you in your distrust of the knuckleball. I really couldn't take watching Wakefield pitch. I have watched a lot of RA. He is amazingly consistent. Even during his best years, Wakefield was maddeningly inconsistent within games and from game to game.

RA throws his knuckler damn hard. Maybe he could help Wright's development.

[a700hitter]

I would rather give Wright the chance than Dickey

i wouldnt waste Salty and Kalish on Dickey i dont care if he did win the Cy Young Award

i honestly dont nothing about Webster to make a comment on him... also i think the rangers trade for him after they lost out on Hamilton

I think Salty is a goner with 4 catchers. Kalish is nothing special and his body is pretty banged up already.

[BSN07]

I just think he's more valuable to the Mets then he is to any other team in the league. Thus the package that will take to get him most likely would have to be an overpay. Let Texas or Seattle deal with it. If Toronto thinks they need another side show act then so be it.

[Palodios]

I agree. A guy who has had arm troubles is not worth that kind of contract. They should go for Edwin Jackson.

 

Right now, I'm thinking that maybe giving Marcum 15-20 million at one year might be the best bet. I emphasize this frequently, but picking up players with AL East experience should be much more of a priority than it has been-- especially players that can manage ERAs in the mid 3s within the division.

 

And sure, Marcum has injury problems, but this year is feeling like it is a "if everything goes right..." kind of season while the Red Sox wait for their prospects. Why not add a guy-- when everything goes right-- can have a 3.34 ERA in the AL East?

[BSN07]

Right now, I'm thinking that maybe giving Marcum 15-20 million at one year might be the best bet. I emphasize this frequently, but picking up players with AL East experience should be much more of a priority than it has been-- especially players that can manage ERAs in the mid 3s within the division.

 

And sure, Marcum has injury problems, but this year is feeling like it is a "if everything goes right..." kind of season while the Red Sox wait for their prospects. Why not add a guy-- when everything goes right-- can have a 3.34 ERA in the AL East?

 

One year at 15-20M?

 

I think 1/10-13M s plenty and a 2 year deal similar to Dempster's would be ok too. I think he's a little more towards McCarthy money then 15M AAV mark. Other then that I think Marcum would be a solid depth move for the rotation.

[rjortiz]

Really insane to compare Steven Wright to the Cy Young winner. Acquiring Dickey makes the Red Sox favorites in the East. I'd make the deal.

[Palodios]

One year at 15-20M?

 

I think 1/10-13M s plenty and a 2 year deal similar to Dempster's would be ok too. I think he's a little more towards McCarthy money then 15M AAV mark. Other then that I think Marcum would be a solid depth move for the rotation.

 

If he is going to accept a one year deal, you have to severely outbid everyone else. Rebuilding value in the AL East really sucks for pitchers, and being a noncontender won't help their chances of signing him either.

 

My concern with giving him a two year deal is that the Red Sox have no money coming off the books next year so whoever they sign for two year deals will need to perform well next year-- I'm not sure if Marcum's health is there.

[BSN07]

Really insane to compare Steven Wright to the Cy Young winner. Acquiring Dickey makes the Red Sox favorites in the East. I'd make the deal.

 

No it doesn't This team is not a knuckleballer from a division title. Yes he would add something to the team. But he is a huge ? coming to the AL. Maybe even more than Dempster.

 

And no one is saying Wright is as good as Dickey. But if they want to put a Knuckleball in there they might as well save the $ and prospects and just give the kid Wright a chance. Comparisons for me of the two were only to demonstrate the type of Knuckleball they throw. Dickey and Wrights being harder as compared to the more floater action of Wakefields.

[example1]

Really insane to compare Steven Wright to the Cy Young winner. Acquiring Dickey makes the Red Sox favorites in the East. I'd make the deal.

 

Really? Favorites in the east?

 

If they are favorites with Dickey they are favorites on paper only. And, to get Dickey, they undoubtedly have to give up prospects who could make be very very good for the next ten years.

 

The main theme of this offseason is low risk. Trading a bunch of prospects for Dickey, to bolster a team that won't be that great this year, is high risk.

[BSN07]

Really? Favorites in the east?

 

If they are favorites with Dickey they are favorites on paper only. And, to get Dickey, they undoubtedly have to give up prospects who could make be very very good for the next ten years.

 

The main theme of this offseason is low risk. Trading a bunch of prospects for Dickey, to bolster a team that won't be that great this year, is high risk.

 

I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I think he ends up in Texas for Olt and little else as far as big names go. Probably a couple mid tier SP prospects.

[rjortiz]

Trading Kalish, Salty, and Webster isn't all that insane, especially considering we'd probably control Dickey for three years.

[Palodios]

Woah! The Red Sox made it under the luxury tax last year by just a few thousand bux. It makes me appreciate the mega-trade even more, very surprised they got it down below.

 

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21247466/sox-went-under-luxury-tax-threshold-12

[rjortiz]

I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I think he ends up in Texas for Olt and little else as far as big names go. Probably a couple mid tier SP prospects.

 

Mets have no use for Olt. I think he winds up in Toronto for Gose and Arencieba.

[BSN07]

Mets have no use for Olt. I think he winds up in Toronto for Gose and Arencieba.

 

Olt could be moved to 1B or OF(read something somewhere that said he might be able to switch positions). Regardless it would add an offensive talent to a thin Mets farm system.

 

If Dickey cost Salty plus a lower prospect I woudn't be totally against it. But I don't think they should be trading any top tier/nera ML ready prospects for him.

 

Dickey to Toronto for JP makes a lot of sense too.

[a700hitter]

Really? Favorites in the east?

 

If they are favorites with Dickey they are favorites on paper only. And, to get Dickey, they undoubtedly have to give up prospects who could make be very very good for the next ten years.

 

The main theme of this offseason is low risk. Trading a bunch of prospects for Dickey, to bolster a team that won't be that great this year, is high risk.

He could make Toronto favorites in the ALE with Jason Johnson, Buehrle, and Morrow.

[BSN07]

He could make Toronto favorites in the ALE with Jason Johnson, Buehrle, and Morrow.

 

Or he could fall flat while Johnson hits the DL, Mark crumbles when the rotation jumps on his back and Morrow doesn't find it. There's a reverse side on the possibility coin too

[redsoxfan3]

Trading Kalish, Salty, and Webster isn't all that insane, especially considering we'd probably control Dickey for three years.

 

I thought trading Reddick last year was not that bad either for a proven closer (excluding injury history). Kalish has a lot to prove and has had injuries, but you never know, he could turn into a decent OF, especially a 4th OF.

[a700hitter]

Or he could fall flat while Johnson hits the DL, Mark crumbles when the rotation jumps on his back and Morrow doesn't find it. There's a reverse side on the possibility coin too

That wouldn't prevent them from being favorites when the season opens, but yes, they would have to win it on the field. I would rather field their team than what we will be fielding unless we make more moves.

[BSN07]

That wouldn't prevent them from being favorites when the season opens, but yes, they would have to win it on the field. I would rather field their team than what we will be fielding unless we make more moves.

 

Toronto is a primed powder keg IMO

[seabeachfred]

Unless you're the Rays or A's.

 

Unless you're the Rays or A's!!!!!! Well who can argue with that after what happened this season, but we've had nothing but s***** luck the past four seasons. Miserable play from key players, crushing injuries by the boatload, inept front office moves, and tension and dissension in the ranks. Think maybe that finally WE could be due for some good breaks? It seems to me to be our turn finally. You think?????

[a700hitter]

Toronto is a primed powder keg IMO

You think so? Maybe a little wishful thinking is at work.