Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

He just turned 33 and has the production to warrant a 3-4 yr deal. He's a lefty power hitter with big K rates on a team full of high K guys and in a park that limits lefty power pretty heavily.

[BSN07]

Seattle just traded for Morales, with him and Montero, looks like Smoak might be the odd man out. Would like to see the Sox go after him and see what he could do outside of Seattle.

[dupree]

I just read where Ben said that a Cody Ross returning to Boston was still not out of the question. I really dont know what to think of that statement. Ross and Gomes have shown about the same splits so a return of Ross seems to me like no return is possible i just really dont know where ben is coming from on this

 

I know Ross would like to come back

but what is his asking price?

[jung]

I just think Ben likes that particular turn of phrase "I would not rule out". I don't think he is going anywhere with that. He can just stay under the cap with one more pitcher of some worth. He can't possibly be willing to trade that for Ross.

[dupree]

I just think Ben likes that particular turn of phrase "I would not rule out". I don't think he is going anywhere with that. He can just stay under the cap with one more pitcher of some worth. He can't possibly be willing to trade that for Ross.

 

Thats what i was thinking plus gomes is virtually the same player as Ross... i liked ross over victorino anyday of the week but vic is already signed and appers to be the right fielder for the next 3 years so it is what it is there... id like more production from the right fielder and also the left fielders we have in house.. i think we have missed out on extremely productive players to sign overpaid guys to be a good clubhouse with very little drama. But no drama may be in the clubhouse but i but after the month of april and the sox are in last place the drama will be the media killing ownership for making the signings they made this offseason and want answers which i think fans we are entitled to. In times like this i sometimes miss Theo...

 

Theo may have overpaid for guys but was quick and to the point with players instead of nickel and diming players and getting players off the bottom shelf and paying them like they are middle of the tier players when all are on the wrong side of 30

[jacksonianmarch]

Theo was a guy who created 2 things when he was in Boston. He created an aura around himself based on the guys he pulled off the scrap heap and turned into all-stars. And he then bred an incredible farm system that pulled up all star caliber talent on a yearly basis. Well, he stopped delivering the scrap heap signings and when the farm dried up, he was forced to go the high priced route and it backfired. By asking for Theo back, I am sure you are pining for the guy who ran the team from 03-09 or so

[dupree]

Theo was a guy who created 2 things when he was in Boston. He created an aura around himself based on the guys he pulled off the scrap heap and turned into all-stars. And he then bred an incredible farm system that pulled up all star caliber talent on a yearly basis. Well, he stopped delivering the scrap heap signings and when the farm dried up, he was forced to go the high priced route and it backfired. By asking for Theo back, I am sure you are pining for the guy who ran the team from 03-09 or so

 

Yes

[Meh]

Red Sox are interested in Joel Hanarahan of the Pirates. I think a deal could be struck similar to the Bailey deal. Kalish, Cecchini, and Buttrey. Sox get a closer, Pirates get an extra outfielder who they could give a shot to compete, a solid 3B prospect and a guy they can dream on in Buttrey.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the sox can look at the Bailey deal as to a reason why they need to avoid dealing for overpriced back end guys. Hanrahan is going to look at Papelbon's deal in terms of AAV as a starting point come 2014. And if the sox do end up dealing the package above, Cherington should be shot. The above package could net them an innings eating middle of the rotation pitcher, something the sox still need. They have enough candidates for their pen, adding another while depleting themselves further will only serve to f*** themselves royally in the end

[seabeachfred]

I think the sox can look at the Bailey deal as to a reason why they need to avoid dealing for overpriced back end guys. Hanrahan is going to look at Papelbon's deal in terms of AAV as a starting point come 2014. And if the sox do end up dealing the package above, Cherington should be shot. The above package could net them an innings eating middle of the rotation pitcher, something the sox still need. They have enough candidates for their pen, adding another while depleting themselves further will only serve to f*** themselves royally in the end

 

Give me the rifle and let me hand Cherington the cigarette and blindfold if he does such a stupid move Jack. You're beginning to sound like a Red Sox fan, certainly thinking like one, but keep in mind bungling has become second nature to the front office in recent years. That's a lot of valuable young prospects to give away for something we may not need. We need a first baseman and a starting pitcher. Can't Cherington understand that?

[redsoxfan3]

I just read where Ben said that a Cody Ross returning to Boston was still not out of the question. I really dont know what to think of that statement. Ross and Gomes have shown about the same splits so a return of Ross seems to me like no return is possible i just really dont know where ben is coming from on this

 

I know Ross would like to come back

but what is his asking price?

 

His asking price is 3 years for 25 million, the last time I heard. As of right now, I think that might have dropped a bit, since a lot of teams are not willing to give him that. I think 3 years for 21 million is more realistic. What blows my mind is that we signed Gomes for two and twenty, when we could have signed Ross for 3/21-25. It is a little higher AAV, but we all know Ross can put up solid numbers in Fenway.

 

Nick Cafardo said that we were interested in signing Ross and that would mean that we would trade Ellsbury. I am not sure what is the truth. Cherington keeps saying that Ellsbury is going nowhere. Unless we trade Ellsbury, I don't see a fit for Ross. If we go after another OF, I would hope it would be Swisher, who is a switch hitter. That would give us more flexibility, especially since Gomes and Ross are pretty similar.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gomes was for 2 and $10 mil. $5 mil AAV

[a700hitter]

His asking price is 3 years for 25 million, the last time I heard. As of right now, I think that might have dropped a bit, since a lot of teams are not willing to give him that. I think 3 years for 21 million is more realistic. What blows my mind is that we signed Gomes for two and twenty, when we could have signed Ross for 3/21-25. It is a little higher AAV, but we all know Ross can put up solid numbers in Fenway.

 

Nick Cafardo said that we were interested in signing Ross and that would mean that we would trade Ellsbury. I am not sure what is the truth. Cherington keeps saying that Ellsbury is going nowhere. Unless we trade Ellsbury, I don't see a fit for Ross. If we go after another OF, I would hope it would be Swisher, who is a switch hitter. That would give us more flexibility, especially since Gomes and Ross are pretty similar.

If they want to trade Ellsbury, they should move on that before they sign Ross. It is never good to put yourself in a position where you have excess baggage to trade. Look at the catching situation. When they finalize Napoli's deal, we will have 4 catchers. Someone has to go. Ross was just signed so he will be staying as will Napoi. Unless they are willing to let Lavarnway rot in AAA, Salty will have to go. No one will offer us dick for him. They'll wait for him to DFA him and then throw us a low level prospect. It's also possible that they trade Lavarnway. Either way, other teams know that we have to move one of them. The ruined whatever value Salty had as a trade chip.

[Palodios]

If they want to trade Ellsbury, they should move on that before they sign Ross. It is never good to put yourself in a position where you have excess baggage to trade. Look at the catching situation. When they finalize Napoli's deal, we will have 4 catchers. Someone has to go. Ross was just signed so he will be staying as will Napoi. Unless they are willing to let Lavarnway rot in AAA, Salty will have to go. No one will offer us dick for him. They'll wait for him to DFA him and then throw us a low level prospect. It's also possible that they trade Lavarnway. Either way, other teams know that we have to move one of them. The ruined whatever value Salty had as a trade chip.

 

It doesn't always happen like that. The Angels had a logjam with Morales, and ended up getting Vargas out of the deal. I'm not saying Salty is worth a Vargas, but maybe they can get a 6th inning reliever for him?

[jacksonianmarch]

If they want to trade Ellsbury, they should move on that before they sign Ross. It is never good to put yourself in a position where you have excess baggage to trade. Look at the catching situation. When they finalize Napoli's deal, we will have 4 catchers. Someone has to go. Ross was just signed so he will be staying as will Napoi. Unless they are willing to let Lavarnway rot in AAA, Salty will have to go. No one will offer us dick for him. They'll wait for him to DFA him and then throw us a low level prospect. It's also possible that they trade Lavarnway. Either way, other teams know that we have to move one of them. The ruined whatever value Salty had as a trade chip.

 

This is assuming he had any value to begin with. I am sure the sox had feelers out on Salty the second the Giants won the WS. But I am sure most teams are hip to the book on Salty. Only major offensive tool is power and his defense behind the dish is abysmal. His worth is limited. The sox might actually benefit from holding onto him, carving out a role where he catches, plays 1st and gives Papi a breather at DH and see if the lesser load gets his stick moving again. If it does, move him immediately

[reYoukilis]

I think they are stockpiling trade material. I just read that the Sox are interested in the Pirates closer.

 

As for Salty, I think he's better trade bait than Lavarnway and with Ross as primary catcher, Lav has a good tutor.

 

Having said that I also like the righty/lefty thing of Ross and Salty.

[iortiz]

Oh boy!

[a700hitter]

It doesn't always happen like that. The Angels had a logjam with Morales, and ended up getting Vargas out of the deal. I'm not saying Salty is worth a Vargas, but maybe they can get a 6th inning reliever for him?

The Angels logjam was not that bad. We cannot carry 4 catchers. The Angels probably could have DH'd Morales. Trumbo played some 3B last year and without Tori Hunter, Trumbo would still get OF time. They did get a nice return for Morales, and you are right that we will not get anywhere near that return for Salty. I think that a 6th inning reliever is about the best we can do. More likely, I think we get a low level prospect like Pedro Beato.

[a700hitter]

Free agent right-hander Brett Myers wants to start again and remains an interesting free agent option in the view of FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link).

What do people think of him as a starter?

[Palodios]

What do people think of him as a starter?

 

The Red Sox need another starter. I'd prefer Jackson, Marcum, or Santana, but if he is the best available, fine.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox need another starter. I'd prefer Jackson, Marcum, or Santana, but if he is the best available, fine.

Have there been any rumors about teams interested in Marcum. It would be a huge boost to our chances if they shocked us and obtained Santana. I might actually log on for some GamePax.

[mvp 78]

Brett Meyers would be such a great PR move for a team that had 69 wins last year! What this team really needs is more wifebeaters! :thumbdown

[a700hitter]

Brett Meyers would be such a great PR move for a team that had 69 wins last year! What this team really needs is more wifebeaters! :thumbdown

Do we have a lot of those?

[BSN07]

I think if Napoli deal goes through, then Salty will be traded. He's not a great C, but he has value as a power bat that can sometimes pass as a C. That gives him some measurable value. Not a ton though. I'm still hoping for a Salty Floyd swap.

 

I think the Red Sox are stocking trade chips. If things are looking bleak around the TDL and some young talent has earned a look, I could see them moving Dempster, Ells, Drew, any of the BP arms and possibly Lester(if he pitches good not great he would have huge value at the TDL imo).

[seabeachfred]

I think if Napoli deal goes through, then Salty will be traded. He's not a great C, but he has value as a power bat that can sometimes pass as a C. That gives him some measurable value. Not a ton though. I'm still hoping for a Salty Floyd swap.

 

I think the Red Sox are stocking trade chips. If things are looking bleak around the TDL and some young talent has earned a look, I could see them moving Dempster, Ells, Drew, any of the BP arms and possibly Lester(if he pitches good not great he would have huge value at the TDL imo).

 

The problem is we're stocking these "trade chips" BSN, but with the glacial way Cherington moves we may still be overburdened with surplus players in the same position by ST and it will wind up either sending prospects down to the minors "for more damn seasoning", sure condition for more waste of young talent or we trade them in a hurry then for ten cents on the dollar. Cherington should be busy right now working on deals and perhaps some of you out there will tell me that he most likely is However, I think we all know that Ben is a very slow mover and hesitant to pull the trigger on a trade. The guys's risk aversion is just sickening to me.

[seabeachfred]

I think if Napoli deal goes through, then Salty will be traded. He's not a great C, but he has value as a power bat that can sometimes pass as a C. That gives him some measurable value. Not a ton though. I'm still hoping for a Salty Floyd swap.

 

I think the Red Sox are stocking trade chips. If things are looking bleak around the TDL and some young talent has earned a look, I could see them moving Dempster, Ells, Drew, any of the BP arms and possibly Lester(if he pitches good not great he would have huge value at the TDL imo).

 

The problem is we're stocking these "trade chips" BSN, but with the glacial way Cherington moves we may still be overburdened with surplus players in the same position by ST and it will wind up either sending prospects down to the minors "for more damn seasoning", sure condition for more waste of young talent or we trade them in a hurry then for ten cents on the dollar. Cherington should be busy right now working on deals and perhaps some of you out there will tell me that he most likely is However, I think we all know that Ben is a very slow mover and hesitant to pull the trigger on a trade. The guys's risk aversion is just sickening to me.

[seabeachfred]

I think if Napoli deal goes through, then Salty will be traded. He's not a great C, but he has value as a power bat that can sometimes pass as a C. That gives him some measurable value. Not a ton though. I'm still hoping for a Salty Floyd swap.

 

I think the Red Sox are stocking trade chips. If things are looking bleak around the TDL and some young talent has earned a look, I could see them moving Dempster, Ells, Drew, any of the BP arms and possibly Lester(if he pitches good not great he would have huge value at the TDL imo).

 

The problem is we're stocking these "trade chips" BSN, but with the glacial way Cherington moves we may still be overburdened with surplus players in the same position by ST and it will wind up either sending prospects down to the minors "for more damn seasoning", sure condition for more waste of young talent or we trade them in a hurry then for ten cents on the dollar. Cherington should be busy right now working on deals and perhaps some of you out there will tell me that he most likely is However, I think we all know that Ben is a very slow mover and hesitant to pull the trigger on a trade. The guys's risk aversion is just sickening to me.

[BSN07]

The problem is we're stocking these "trade chips" BSN, but with the glacial way Cherington moves we may still be overburdened with surplus players in the same position by ST and it will wind up either sending prospects down to the minors "for more damn seasoning", sure condition for more waste of young talent or we trade them in a hurry then for ten cents on the dollar. Cherington should be busy right now working on deals and perhaps some of you out there will tell me that he most likely is However, I think we all know that Ben is a very slow mover and hesitant to pull the trigger on a trade. The guys's risk aversion is just sickening to me.

 

I don't see a problem entering ST with extra players. It's injury insurance for the Sox and if they are fortunate enough to not have anything major they will have some valuable pieces that teams may be looking for.

[iortiz]

Well, take Edwin Jackson off the list, he has signed with the Cubs 52M/4yr.

[BSN07]

Well, take Edwin Jackson off the list, he has signed with the Cubs 52M/4yr.

 

He would have been nice but 4 years is too much. I hope if they gave out a 4 year deal it would be for a #2 at least.