Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[RedSoxNC84]

Napoli becomes Lackey's personal catcher?

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe: #RedSox have signed OF Mitch Maier, RHP Terry Doyle, UTIL Drew Sutton , RHP Oscar Villarreal and RHP Jose De La Torre to minor league deals

[SoxFanForsyth]

Napoli becomes Lackey's personal catcher?

 

Could well be. Who knows. Maybe it'll help him get back on track. He's obviously had success w him in the past, so finding that comfort level may be very beneficial.

 

Those could be the 30 games he catches.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Don't get you hopes up, I think it's more likely they sign Victorino or Swisher.

 

Swisher can't play CF, and they'll want more than 10 HR pop out of RF.

[Palodios]

Swisher can't play CF, and they'll want more than 10 HR pop out of RF.

 

Victorino is a pretty good fit for the Sox. They want a RHH, he's a switch hitter who hits better as a RHH. Right field in fenway is very spacious and needs a player with a good arm. Victorino is very fast and has a great arm-- perhaps his great defense won't lose value in RF.

 

His entire skillset is usually good for a 4-6 WAR every year and he's going to get a pretty low contract considering how good a player he is. Up until last year, Victorino was an absolute stud, core player, and now he can probably be had for 3/40.

[Divinity]

Swisher can't play CF, and they'll want more than 10 HR pop out of RF.

 

From ESPN Jayson Stark's twitter :

 

"Signing Napoli would take the Red Sox out of Adam LaRoche bidding. But Cody Ross, Nick Swisher & Shane Victorino still on their radar screen"

 

"Source familiar with #RedSox thinking on chances they'll sign Josh Hamilton: "They're not zero percent. But they're not high."

[SoxFanForsyth]

Victorino is a pretty good fit for the Sox. They want a RHH, he's a switch hitter who hits better as a RHH. Right field in fenway is very spacious and needs a player with a good arm. Victorino is very fast and has a great arm-- perhaps his great defense won't lose value in RF.

 

His entire skillset is usually good for a 4-6 WAR every year and he's going to get a pretty low contract considering how good a player he is. Up until last year, Victorino was an absolute stud, core player, and now he can probably be had for 3/40.

 

They want a LHH. THey are too RH heavy right now as is.

[SoxFanForsyth]

From ESPN Jayson Stark's twitter :

 

"Signing Napoli would take the Red Sox out of Adam LaRoche bidding. But Cody Ross, Nick Swisher & Shane Victorino still on their radar screen"

 

"Source familiar with #RedSox thinking on chances they'll sign Josh Hamilton: "They're not zero percent. But they're not high."

 

This stuff changes every single hour it seems like.

 

I remember when they were in on Crawford and everyone said "Its the Angels. It's the Angels. The Red Sox are out"

[SeanJohn93]

John Lackey quote about the addition of Napoli, "He’s a guy who likes to have a good time, but when it’s time to go he’s ready to compete." How stupid was that to say? Jeez Lackey, after the fiasco in the clubhouse thats just what we want to hear. Dumbass.

[jung]

I think the Sox will be very cautious about how many games Napoli catches all the way down to as few as possible. Having him catch Lackey could be about it. They are paying for his bat. Don't want to take it out of the lineup due to fatigue or inflaming that bad leg of his. Ortiz is already the full time DH.

[jung]

Lackey is Illetriate.

 

Jeez I had to go copy and paste it...afraid I had no shot at spelling it the way he did.

[RedSoxNC84]

Lackey is Illetriate.

 

Jeez I had to go copy and paste it...afraid I had no shot at spelling it the way he did.

 

[mvp 78]

Lackey is Illetriate.

 

Jeez I had to go copy and paste it...afraid I had no shot at spelling it the way he did.

 

He aint no AAAA poster you pussies! Ramble ramble. Have a seizure while posting. Ramble. Climbing up the organizational ladder wit each post son!

 

*I got worried once I learned to understand him. Stockholm syndrome.

[KCBRUIN]

I almost think the earlier talk about the Sox not going over two years for Hamilton, and now the chances aren't high talk are all a smoke screen. I'm thinking they're going big after Hamilton. I'm expecting Hamilton signed to a 4 year deal with a club option of a 5th.

[SCM33]

Next, sign Swisher or Hamilton.

 

Offer J. Bay a minor league contract.

 

Offer A. Gonzalez a minor league contract.

 

Franklin Morales has already been told to go to camp prepared to start. My offseason plan is coming together

[Plumpamania]

Lester for Myers, Myers to RF, trade Salty for Floyd and kick the tires on Haren. Offseason complete.

[SCM33]

Lester for Myers, Myers to RF, trade Salty for Floyd and kick the tires on Haren. Offseason complete.

 

We need pitching. We do not need to trade pitching for offense......there are bats on the market available that will cost nothing more than a paycheck.

 

Salty has almost zero trade value. You realize he sucks right? Why would anyone in their right mind give anything of value for a catcher who cant catch/throw/call a game/hit.......or do anything besides striking out?

 

Kick the tires on Haren sounds like a good idea.....but Lester/Haren sounds better.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Red Sox are among 4-5 potential suitors for Hamilton, according to Rob Bradford.

 

He says...

 

According to major league sources, the Red Sox are among 'four or five' teams interested in free agent Josh Hamilton, but only on a short-term contract. One source suggests teams are waiting to see if there is anybody willing to go as many as four years on the outfielder.

 

Is has been rumored that the 31-year-old Hamilton is seeking as much as a seven-year deal.

 

Earlier Monday, an industry source told WEEI.com that free agent first baseman/outfielder Nick Swisher, who also has drawn interest from the Red Sox, might wait to make a decision until after Hamilton signs.

 

The Red Sox are also still negotiating with Cody Ross, who seeks a three-year deal while the Red Sox have stood firm at two. Shane Victorino also remains on the Sox' radar. A source told WEEI.com Monday that the team is comfortable going to as many as three years on the 32-year-old.

 

I think it's very interesting that a source suggests that teams are waiting to see if anyone will even give him 4 years, much less 7.

 

I think the Sox should swoop in and offer him 5 years/$110mm and see if he bites.

[SoxSport]

I almost think the earlier talk about the Sox not going over two years for Hamilton, and now the chances aren't high talk are all a smoke screen. I'm thinking they're going big after Hamilton. I'm expecting Hamilton signed to a 4 year deal with a club option of a 5th.

 

Could well be. Cafardo is close to Lucchino, and has written about the need for Hamilton in Boston as an impact player. Cafardo first suggested Valentine as a possible manager last year, and he could be reflecting Lucchino's thinking.

 

It could be a game of possum between Boston and Texas. The Sox could benefit from signing Hamilton's ex-teammate, Napoli. That may have factored into Napoli's signing.

I emphasize "could."

[SoxSport]

Red Sox are among 4-5 potential suitors for Hamilton, according to Rob Bradford.

 

 

I think the Sox should swoop in and offer him 5 years/$110mm and see if he bites.

 

Maybe they are waiting for the Rangers to make a move. Teams are keeping their cards close on Hamilton.

 

Lucchino said no to 6, 7 or 8 year contracts. He didn't say no to 5.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Maybe they are waiting for the Rangers to make a move. Teams are keeping their cards close on Hamilton.

 

Lucchino said no to 6, 7 or 8 year contracts. He didn't say no to 5.

 

Precisely.

 

In 2010, I was convinced that after Theo refused to announce Gonzo's extension until after the season started, that he was going big after Carl Crawford, even though all reporters were saying the Sox were out on him, I kept saying they're going after him, that's why they're delaying Gonzo's deal, so that it doesn't hit the lux tax for 2011.

 

This year, I'm convinced that they're going to get Hamilton on a 5 year deal worth 110-125mm.

[The Celtbot]

Rob Bradford of WEEI.com hears that the Red Sox are among 4-5 teams that are interested in Josh Hamilton on a short-term deal.

 

Just how short remains to be seen, but Hamilton, at the bare minimum, will almost surely get at least four years from someone and could be looking for as many as seven years. In other words, it's highly unlikely that he would fall into the Red Sox' comfort zone. FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reported earlier Monday that the Rangers are pursuing Hamilton harder than anyone else.

 

Related: Red Sox

Source: WEEI.com

[SoxSport]

Lester for Myers, Myers to RF, trade Salty for Floyd and kick the tires on Haren. Offseason complete.

 

Don't see this happening.

 

The Sox have plenty of money to spend, and pitching is their weakest suit. Lester stands a good chance of rebounding with Farrell back, and Myers has had one good hitting year in AAA--a partial year. He is unproven at the major league level, and pretty much a one-dimensional player. KC is trying to sell high on Myers, asking the Sox to sell low on Lester after an off-year.

 

With all that money to spend, it makes more sense for the Sox to sign FAs, rather than trade good players or prospects--even if it costs a draft choice (#44). They aren't in a money-saving mode, like they were a year ago.

[Plumpamania]

Lester has been getting progressively worse:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/the-new-jon-lester/

[Palodios]

Precisely.

 

In 2010, I was convinced that after Theo refused to announce Gonzo's extension until after the season started, that he was going big after Carl Crawford, even though all reporters were saying the Sox were out on him, I kept saying they're going after him, that's why they're delaying Gonzo's deal, so that it doesn't hit the lux tax for 2011.

 

This year, I'm convinced that they're going to get Hamilton on a 5 year deal worth 110-125mm.

 

I just don't get the need for Hamilton. He's had one great year, but besides that he's a 4 WAR guy. Is he really worth 60 million more than the rest of the field?

 

Hamilton 2011-- 4.1 WAR, 2012 4.4 WAR

Swisher 2011-- 3.8 WAR, 2012 3.9 WAR

Victorino 2011-- 5.9 WAR, 2012 3.3 WAR

Bourn 2011 -- 4.1 WAR, 2012 6.1 WAR

[The Celtbot]

Alex Speier of WEEI.com hears that a trade of R.A. Dickey to the Red Sox is "extremely unlikely."

Speier says the talks between the two clubs were "very preliminary," and he confirms a report from Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the two sides didn't discuss specific prospects that it would take to land Dickey. While the Red Sox are in the market for pitching, it appears that they're searching more for back-end of the rotation help.

[BSN07]

BSN why why why why why do you insist on the idea that the Sox would consider trading Lester if they're going to spend money going for it this year? It doesn't make ANY sense.

 

 

I started all this by saying if the Sox traded Lester for Myers it signaled a larger rebuild and I wasn't sure if they would be making any bigger FA additions this season because of it. Napoli signals something else. Now the only scenario I can see them trading Lester is either they are signing someone to replace his production and keeping Myers, or trading Myers+++ for a #1 type pitcher.

 

Ellsbury+Myers+Cecchini+Webster+Workman get's someones attention

[a700hitter]

 

Ellsbury+Myers+Cecchini+Webster+Workman get's someones attention

 

Essentially, Lester and Ellsbury for a pitcher. That had better be a top 5 pitcher. We'd also have to acquire a CF along the way. And if they can't make the Ells/Myers trade after trading Lester, where would that leave them-- rebuilding?

[Orange Juiced]

ESPN tweet this morning: "Braves open to dealing Teheran or Delgado to land an outfielder."

 

Braves need an OF. I wonder if KC deals Myers for either of these guys.

 

Or, should the Red Sox get involved there? Both those guys are stud pitching prospects, but they're still just prospects. Maybe deal Kalish + something (not sure what the "something" would be) for one of them?

[BSN07]

Essentially, Lester and Ellsbury for a pitcher. That had better be a top 5 pitcher. We'd also have to acquire a CF along the way. And if they can't make the Ells/Myers trade after trading Lester, where would that leave them-- rebuilding?

 

Well I wasn't proposing they pull the trigger without the #1 being lined up already. That's a must.

 

Essentially it's a 3 team deal without KC knowing the end game because they could interfere and offer Myers package themselves for the top pitcher.