Valentine's Big Mouth

[BornToRun]

If it walks like a duck etc.

 

World class logic here folks.

[ibot2much]

Why are we even listening to what Curt Schilling says? The guy serves no other purpose but getting his loud mouth heard. He spouts off about everything whether he is qualified to do so or not' date=' just ignore him.[/quote']

 

World class internet advice here folks.

[SoxSport]

Who cares what Schilling or anybody else says on WEEI? They are in the entertainment business.

You can't take any of that stuff seriously.

 

Now when Henry makes a fool out of himself and goes on the air, that has a tendency to legitimatize what they do. And makes the Red Sox look worse. I think the Red Sox need a few lessons from the Patriots about how to handle the media. The first step is to lower your exposure, and stop equating the media to the fans. Not so.

[mvp 78]

Please, will everyone stop piling on Schill and his red sharpie sock?

[User Name]

What Schilling says holds as much water as a fat guy during a relay race.

 

The problem is the speculation and finger-pointing it creates towards the player (s) the media and fanbase think is the "snitch".

[mvp 78]

Snitch: Beckett (inside job)

[User Name]

Actually, i'm 100% confident it was Albers. He can't even think about living without fried chicken in the clubhouse.

[ibot2much]

Please' date=' will everyone stop piling on Schill and his red sharpie sock?[/quote']

 

Ya know...that did enter my mind.

[YAZMAN]

Why are we even listening to what Curt Schilling says?

 

He may be an opinionated egoist loudmouth...

 

but he's one who's a two-time 20 game winner with three World Series rings, not a barely .500 manager with one pennant. That's why you listen to what Schilling has to say - he's a winner, he's earned the right to an opinion.

[a700hitter]

Why are we even listening to what Curt Schilling says? The guy serves no other purpose but getting his loud mouth heard. He spouts off about everything whether he is qualified to do so or not' date=' just ignore him.[/quote']Schilling can never do anything wrong as far as I am concerned.

[Elktonnick]

World class logic here folks.

 

I wanted to keep it to the level of my intended audience.

[YAZMAN]

Schilling can never do anything wrong as far as I am concerned.

 

Bottom line, he delivered the goods. We've had a lot of greats over the years we loved, but more than anyone else Schill brought the WS to Boston and risked his career to do it.

 

It will never be forgotten.

[jung]

Schill was great as a ballplayer. No denying his contribution to the Red Sox.

 

In this role he is just.....well....wierd. Every time I listen to him I start feeling like the earth has tilted oddly on its axis.

 

I actually think that for his own good, if that whole video game thing does take off, he might be best served devoting all of his energies to that.

 

We have tended to cut Schill a break here but he won't get said break in the national spotlight. I am afraid that Schill is going to stick his foot way down his throat in a way that won't allow him to remove it, Jimmy the Greek style. Not that Schill would get in trouble over the same topic as the Greek but I think he is well capable of screwing up just as badly. I would prefer Schill be remembered standing on the mound with that bloody sock.

[a700hitter]

Schill was great as a ballplayer. No denying his contribution to the Red Sox.

 

In this role he is just.....well....wierd. Every time I listen to him I start feeling like the earth has tilted oddly on its axis.

 

I actually think that for his own good, if that whole video game thing does take off, he might be best served devoting all of his energies to that.

 

We have tended to cut Schill a break here but he won't get said break in the national spotlight. I am afraid that Schill is going to stick his foot way down his throat in a way that won't allow him to remove it, Jimmy the Greek style. Not that Schill would get in trouble over the same topic as the Greek but I think he is well capable of screwing up just as badly. I would prefer Schill be remembered standing on the mound with that bloody sock.

Let me come right to the point. Schilling is right and you are wrong. It will always be that way, so cut your losses.

[Bellhorn04]

Let me come right to the point. Schilling is right and you are wrong. It will always be that way' date=' so cut your losses.[/quote']

 

Now that is called taking a stance.

 

But what if Schill loses his marbles, from too much free time and trying to make a go of it in the video game business?

[a700hitter]

Now that is called taking a stance.

 

But what if Schill loses his marbles, from too much free time and trying to make a go of it in the video game business?

He'll always be right. Save your breath.

 

I do find it funny that people don't like him because he is a blowhard. He's soft spoken compared to the great icon Ted Williams. He was as loud and as big a blowhard as any player in the history of the game. Schilling doesn't even come close in that regard.

[seabeachfred]

Ibot----I've always been a big Curt Schilling fan and will always be grateful for his risking and probably shortening his career for what he did for us in 2004, not to mention being here for two WS Titles in his four year years with the Sox. However, let me me clear that I didn't approve of his sneak attack on Valentine. It certainly wasn't one of his finest hours and truth be told, we all know that he has been a Franconaphile from Day One.

 

Most importantly, we don't need any more dirt being tossed around by any in the media, let along one who is one of the most revered Red Sox players of recent history. I know he loves to talk and make his presence felt with his verbal hand grenades but I think if he really wants to see the Red Sox do well this year he would be better served by easing up on the verbal crap and taking a little more of an upbeat mood on a team that can sure use some heading into the new season.

 

Of course, as much as I like Curt, I know if he somehow would read what I and the rest of us wrote it would fall on deaf ears.

[example1]

Lots of defensiveness of Valentine here. I heard the Schilling interview and thought most of his thoughts were well articulated and understandable. Schilling might have some knowledge of how teams work, what types of approaches lead players to be frustrated, etc.,. Like Lou Merloni, he thinks that Valentine's unpredictable approach with the media could be a distraction if the team doesn't start winning early. That makes sense.

 

No need to assume it is Beckett who is talking to Schilling. Plenty of players could be talking and plenty of people see the same thing as Schilling without talking to Beckett.

 

I'm hopeful that the team will perform and none of this will matter. They certainly have the talent to do so.

[User Name]

Lots of defensiveness of Valentine here. I heard the Schilling interview and thought most of his thoughts were well articulated and understandable. Schilling might have some knowledge of how teams work, what types of approaches lead players to be frustrated, etc.,. Like Lou Merloni, he thinks that Valentine's unpredictable approach with the media could be a distraction if the team doesn't start winning early. That makes sense.

 

No need to assume it is Beckett who is talking to Schilling. Plenty of players could be talking and plenty of people see the same thing as Schilling without talking to Beckett.

I'm hopeful that the team will perform and none of this will matter. They certainly have the talent to do so.

 

This. 1,000 times this.

[jung]

Players may well be talking to Schill. I don't think anybody has an issue with Schills relationship with players. I am not sure folks are thrilled with Schill then offering the opinion that things are going South "faster than he expected".

 

What the hell does that even mean.

 

All that matters is how the team performs on the field during the season. We went through I don't know how much time determining that while chicken and bear might have become the symbol of a team gone awry, had that team performed on the field nobody would have cared.

 

I don't llke the way V rationalizes doing what he wants to do. That whole business of "I don't criticize, I just tell the truth" was utter nonsense and a pure rationalization of a behavior that V is never going to change cause he does not want to change. So he chooses to rationalize even if his rationalization makes no sense. So I can see why V is a target for Schill and a number of others for that matter.

 

However, all Schill did was create even more focus and intensity from the media in its hunt for ghosts and goblins. Players are just going to continue to be subjected to endless questions that are really an effort by other media hounds to draw out some elaboration of the Schill comment. This team needs more of that like it needs a hole in the head.

 

What we have here is Schills opinion and an effort by Schill to lend some credibility to it by mentioning comments of unspecified content and context from unnamed players. I would have preferred that Schill just offer his opinion. If it is not good enough to leave such a nebulous and provocative reference to the players out of it then it's not good enough.

 

In my view Schill should find another line of work because he is not good at this one. We are probably all lucky that his stab at national politics went nowhere.

[a700hitter]

Players may well be talking to Schill. I don't think anybody has an issue with Schills relationship with players. I am not sure folks are thrilled with Schill then offering the opinion that things are going South "faster than he expected".

 

What the hell does that even mean.

 

All that matters is how the team performs on the field during the season. We went through I don't know how much time determining that while chicken and bear might have become the symbol of a team gone awry, had that team performed on the field nobody would have cared.

 

I don't llke the way V rationalizes doing what he wants to do. That whole business of "I don't criticize, I just tell the truth" was utter nonsense and a pure rationalization of a behavior that V is never going to change cause he does not want to change. So he chooses to rationalize even if his rationalization makes no sense. So I can see why V is a target for Schill and a number of others for that matter.

 

However, all Schill did was create even more focus and intensity from the media in its hunt for ghosts and goblins. Players are just going to continue to be subjected to endless questions that are really an effort by other media hounds to draw out some elaboration of the Schill comment. This team needs more of that like it needs a hole in the head.

 

What we have here is Schills opinion and an effort by Schill to lend some credibility to it by mentioning comments of unspecified content and context from unnamed players. I would have preferred that Schill just offer his opinion. If it is not good enough to leave such a nebulous and provocative reference to the players out of it then it's not good enough.

 

In my view Schill should find another line of work because he is not good at this one. We are probably all lucky that his stab at national politics went nowhere.

Obviously, Bobby V needs to take heed of what Schill says. Schill is a winner. Bobby V has never won anything.

[a700hitter]

Players may well be talking to Schill. I don't think anybody has an issue with Schills relationship with players. I am not sure folks are thrilled with Schill then offering the opinion that things are going South "faster than he expected".

 

What the hell does that even mean.

 

All that matters is how the team performs on the field during the season. We went through I don't know how much time determining that while chicken and bear might have become the symbol of a team gone awry, had that team performed on the field nobody would have cared.

 

I don't llke the way V rationalizes doing what he wants to do. That whole business of "I don't criticize, I just tell the truth" was utter nonsense and a pure rationalization of a behavior that V is never going to change cause he does not want to change. So he chooses to rationalize even if his rationalization makes no sense. So I can see why V is a target for Schill and a number of others for that matter.

 

However, all Schill did was create even more focus and intensity from the media in its hunt for ghosts and goblins. Players are just going to continue to be subjected to endless questions that are really an effort by other media hounds to draw out some elaboration of the Schill comment. This team needs more of that like it needs a hole in the head.

 

What we have here is Schills opinion and an effort by Schill to lend some credibility to it by mentioning comments of unspecified content and context from unnamed players. I would have preferred that Schill just offer his opinion. If it is not good enough to leave such a nebulous and provocative reference to the players out of it then it's not good enough.

 

In my view Schill should find another line of work because he is not good at this one. We are probably all lucky that his stab at national politics went nowhere.

Obviously, Bobby V needs to take heed of what Schill says. Schill is a winner. Bobby V has never won anything.

[mvp 78]

Schilling knows more about video games than managing, and he's not very good at that either.

 

Great pitcher, a blowhard, video game addict, right wing nutball who needed corporate welfare to grow his company. You can't denegrate his Sox contributions, but saying he'll never be wrong is laughable.

[ibot2much]

Ibot----I've always been a big Curt Schilling fan and will always be grateful for his risking and probably shortening his career for what he did for us in 2004, not to mention being here for two WS Titles in his four year years with the Sox. However, let me me clear that I didn't approve of his sneak attack on Valentine. It certainly wasn't one of his finest hours and truth be told, we all know that he has been a Franconaphile from Day One.

 

Most importantly, we don't need any more dirt being tossed around by any in the media, let along one who is one of the most revered Red Sox players of recent history. I know he loves to talk and make his presence felt with his verbal hand grenades but I think if he really wants to see the Red Sox do well this year he would be better served by easing up on the verbal crap and taking a little more of an upbeat mood on a team that can sure use some heading into the new season.

 

Of course, as much as I like Curt, I know if he somehow would read what I and the rest of us wrote it would fall on deaf ears.

 

Glad to read your thoughtful and logical post. Too many supporters of Schill, like those of Francona, refuse to admit that there was anything other than perfection since he (they)helped bring WS titles to Boston. Curt was never a likable man for all the reasons you mentioned. This was a lousy move on his part becasue of the timing. Did he know he would get a ton of radio/board response ?....of course. That was his reason for doing it.

[Elktonnick]

I think the Schilling comments are distracting us from a potential development that is far more disconcerting to me at least. That is the continued presence of John Lackey in the clubhouse. Apparently Lackey wants to spend a great of time with the team this year. Somehow I don't see how that is a good thing, if true.

[a700hitter]

Any team that gets distracted by the opinions of commentators is just looking for excuses. I'm not big on excuses. What Schilling says doesn't matter. What Shaughnessey and all the others say doesn't matter. This talk of distraction is ridiculous.

[VA Sox Fan]

Any team that gets distracted by the opinions of commentators is just looking for excuses. I'm not big on excuses. What Schilling says doesn't matter. What Shaughnessey and all the others say doesn't matter. This talk of distraction is ridiculous.

 

I agree 100%. I think it bother some folks out here more than anyone on the team. What else is new?

[a700hitter]

Schilling knows more about video games than managing, and he's not very good at that either.

 

Great pitcher, a blowhard, video game addict, right wing nutball who needed corporate welfare to grow his company. You can't denegrate his Sox contributions, but saying he'll never be wrong is laughable.

No one is right 100% of the time, not even me, but Curt Schilling should be above criticism from every Red Sox, no matter what he says. When some other player helps bring us two championships in a 4 year career with the Red Sox, I might consider knocking Schill off that pedestal.

[a700hitter]

I agree 100%. I think it bother some folks out here more than anyone on the team. What else is new?

These manufactured feuds between Bobby V and Cherrington and now the supposed terrible impact on the team made by Schilling is just so much ado about nothing. I'll bet more that 20 of the guys from the opening day roster don't even know what he said, unless some idiot from the press quotes him in a press conference.

[VA Sox Fan]

No one is right 100% of the time' date=' not even me, but Curt Schilling should be above criticism from every Red Sox, no matter what he says. When some other player helps bring us two championships in a 4 year career with the Red Sox, I might consider knocking Schill off that pedestal.[/quote']

 

I know that's how I feel when it comes to Schill. Some posters have expressed negativity about his political convictions. What does that have to do with anything?