Bobby Valentine agrees ro deal to become Red Sox Manager

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They also theorize that having a "new" UCL is also a reason for the increased velocity. There's really not "one" specific explanation for it. Believe me, i've read literature and asked around. I obviously don't understand the structural aspect of it, but it's what i've read during research.

[jung]

Maybe it should not be much of a surprise but a number of pitchers have a hard time finding a reliable pitching groove again after TJ. Then again their careers are over if they don't get the operation. So it certainly gives them more of a chance to go forward than they would have otherwise. Rarely as easy as just rehab and then get back on the mound again.

[iortiz]

Interesting, Elk.

[Elktonnick]

They also theorize that having a "new" UCL is also a reason for the increased velocity. There's really not "one" specific explanation for it. Believe me' date=' i've read literature and asked around. I obviously don't understand the structural aspect of it, but it's what i've read during research.[/quote']

 

That may be true theorietically but rehab and other non surgerical factors post -op play the major role in the ultimate result. Here are another articcle to illustrate:

 

"That rehab time after Tommy John surgery is becoming one of the key points in the recovery. While most still quote the 12-18 month time frame after reconstruction, the fact is that using modern techniques and rehab has the real recovery period down to 9-12 months.

 

Dr. Tim Kremchek, the team physician for the Cincinnati Reds and one of the leading practitioners of Tommy John surgery, agrees: "Much like ACL reconstruction in football, where we're seeing some kids back on the field in four to five months, we're seeing the same sort of thing with elbows. With the newer, more holistic rehab processes, I'm seeing most players ready in a year, maybe a little less. They're focused on the core, on mobilizing the arm, on proprioception, and that has them back and ready to go." While Dr. Kremchek uses a version of the surgery that is slightly modified from the original Jobe techniques, he believes it's how we look at the rehab process that has kept the perceptions about the recovery time around. "A guy hurts his arm and has the surgery, then he vanishes. We don't see him in the media again until he's throwing and getting ready to do a rehab assignment. We're seeing him every day in rehab, but with a player like Steven Strasburg, where every move is watched, it might look like throwing like he is at six months is unusual. It's not."

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/will_carroll/03/09/tommy-john-surgery/index.html#ixzz1fQjoFvOA

 

Why this is important and may mean to the Boston Red Sox is that it is possible that we may Dice-K and Lackey sooner than previously expected.

[Elktonnick]

Maybe it should not be much of a surprise but a number of pitchers have a hard time finding a reliable pitching groove again after TJ. Then again their careers are over if they don't get the operation. So it certainly gives them more of a chance to go forward than they would have otherwise. Rarely as easy as just rehab and then get back on the mound again.

 

Who said "easy as just rehab." Rehab if done properly isn't easy. Rehab isn't throwing a couple of innings in Florida but rather a part of a holistic approach that is quite involved. There are plenty well written articles for the layman that describe the process if your intersted.

[jung]

I was referring more to experiences like like that of Edinson Volquez.

[mvp 78]

Why this is important and may mean to the Boston Red Sox is that it is possible that we may Dice-K and Lackey sooner than previously expected.

 

Well that thought just ruined my night...

[Elktonnick]

Well that thought just ruined my night...

 

I thought the same when I posted it. The good news is maybe we can unload them sooner too.

[mvp 78]

I really think DiceK has an outside shot of helping down the stretch. Lackey needs to retire.

[a700hitter]

I really think DiceK has an outside shot of helping down the stretch. Lackey needs to retire.

When did Dice K have the surgery?

[WhiskeyBreath]

June. Sox will be lucky to get 2 months out of him next season.

[a700hitter]

June. Sox will be lucky to get 2 months out of him next season.

If he had the surgery in June, I don't think he'll be able to give us anything meaningful in 2012. Maybe he'll get a few innings in September.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Right. It can take 15 months for some guys to come back.

[mvp 78]

"Outside shot."

 

Odds of him pitching in 2012 is low. He may try to salvage some contact value. He's out of Boston in 2012, right?

[a700hitter]

"Outside shot."

 

Odds of him pitching in 2012 is low. He may try to salvage some contact value. He's out of Boston in 2012, right?

I think that's right.

[Elktonnick]

I think that's right.

 

Bleacher report says Dice-K could return mid 2012 at earliest. That is consistent with the point of the article posted above.

[Elktonnick]

Latest NewsRecent NewsDaisuke Matsuzaka (elbow) is scheduled to throw off a mound shortly after January 1.Dice-K underwent Tommy John surgery in June and began playing catch last month. The 31-year-old right-hander is making good progress in his rehab, but will likely be sidelined until the mid-point of the 2012 season, which is the final year of his contract with the Red Sox. Nov 15 - 8:16 PMSource: Peter Abraham on Twitter

[a700hitter]

Latest NewsRecent NewsDaisuke Matsuzaka (elbow) is scheduled to throw off a mound shortly after January 1.Dice-K underwent Tommy John surgery in June and began playing catch last month. The 31-year-old right-hander is making good progress in his rehab' date=' but will likely be sidelined until the mid-point of the 2012 season, which is the final year of his contract with the Red Sox. Nov 15 - 8:16 PMSource: Peter Abraham on Twitter[/quote']...and there are always the inevitable setbacks. Each setback costs a month. I'd be shocked if he contributed anything significant.

[BornToRun]

He can contribute by keeping himself and his dumbass 10 second windup off the mound.

[FredLynn]

He can contribute by keeping himself and his dumbass 10 second windup off the mound.

 

He isn't going to throw another pitch for this team. He will be traded for some midlevel prospect by the deadline.

[mvp 78]

He isn't going to throw another pitch for this team. He will be traded for some midlevel prospect by the deadline.

 

Really, because Bobby V has a hardon for him?

[a700hitter]

He isn't going to throw another pitch for this team. He will be traded for some midlevel prospect by the deadline.

I disagree. Beckett isn't going anywhere.

[Elktonnick]

I disagree. Beckett isn't going anywhere.

 

Perhaps, but that isn't the issue. They would if they could. If they can't they won't.

[a700hitter]

Perhaps' date=' but that isn't the issue. They would if they could. If they can't they won't.[/quote']Good pitching is a valuable commodity. The Red Sox have a lot of other issues without trying to create another hole by moving Beckett.

[Beaneater]

The recovery from TJ surgery usually begets an increase in velocity but loss of control (at least initially) for the pitcher.

 

So instead of Dice-K throwing 91-92 mph and missing his target by 9 inches, he's going to be throwing 93-94 mph and missing his target by 16 inches? Awesome!

[Elktonnick]

Good pitching is a valuable commodity. The Red Sox have a lot of other issues without trying to create another hole by moving Beckett.

 

True but Beckett is a problem. No matter who the manger is.

[a700hitter]

True but Beckett is a problem. No matter who the manger is.

He's a self centered, me-first player. Unfortunately, that is more of the norm than the exception.

[FredLynn]

I disagree. Beckett isn't going anywhere.

 

I meant DiceK.

[a700hitter]

I meant DiceK.

I agree. There is an excellent chance that he never throws another pitch for the Sox.

[Elktonnick]

He's a self centered' date=' me-first player. Unfortunately, that is more of the norm than the exception.[/quote']

 

True but in this case he may be more of a problem than he is worth. And I think virtually everyone knows it.