Bobby Valentine agrees ro deal to become Red Sox Manager

[Emmz]

He's been a legit starter, but I think that implies that he'll be somehow improved from recent performance. I've defended Dice during his tenure here as much as anyone, but not because he's reliable.

[SoxSport]

I don't think it's a good idea for Buckner to coach in Boston. He still has some baggage, courtesy of MacNamara, and there is no sense in opening any of it again.

[Billy Mueller]

He's been a legit starter' date=' but I think that implies that he'll be somehow improved from recent performance. I've defended Dice during his tenure here as much as anyone, but not because he's reliable.[/quote']

 

Somewhat agree with you.

 

I guess Im more so talking about over the past couple years. He's been either hurt or bad. He isnt reliable at all, and he's become injury prone.

 

He has a major surgery to overcome, but its one thats become overcome by several players. So assuming he does return, I think Bobby can use him in a way that could prevent injury. He was never injury prone in Japan. He comes over here and he's used completely different, and struggles, and now is going through Tommy John. I think there's a correlation there.

 

I think Bobby will help with this assuming he has a full recovery.

[iortiz]

D-K is expected to return somewhen in June, isn't he?

 

Yes, he is not reliable at this point, but maybe and just maybe, he could emerge and be a decent 4-5 or at least a good depth arm, in the second half of the season.

[iortiz]

BTW if he comes back and put spectacular or at least solid numbers, will be interesting how the FO would be managing his case since he will be a FA in 2013. Plus He is 30.

[Emmz]

Dice K at 100% is a very solid pitcher, and I think that's reasonable if he comes back to 100%, I'm just not putting my money on that happening. I like the Sox rotation, especially if they add one of the two big starters that have been mentioned around here, Jackson and Buehrle. Lester>Beckett>Buccholz>Buehrle/Jackson>Dice-K sounds like a pretty solid rotation if Dice is healthy.

[Muggah]

BTW if he comes back and put spectacular or at least solid numbers' date=' will be interesting how the FO would be managing his case since he will be a FA in 2013. Plus He is 30.[/quote']

 

 

I'd be shocked if we found out they even considered re-signing him. I think they're going to sprint away from him.

[iortiz]

Dice K at 100% is a very solid pitcher' date=' and I think that's reasonable if he comes back to 100%, I'm just not putting my money on that happening. I like the Sox rotation, especially if they add one of the two big starters that have been mentioned around here, Jackson and Buehrle. Lester>Beckett>Buccholz>Buehrle/Jackson>Dice-K sounds like a pretty solid rotation if Dice is healthy.[/quote']

 

I agree.

 

In the paper it sounds great. IMO our last coaching/medical staff loads great part of the blame on this regard (players' injuries) at least in the recent years.

 

I wish BV makes sure all the roster be at their best physical conditioning. That, will prevent a lot of injuries.

[Emmz]

Depends, even if he is good, if he's got the same issues he did over the last four years, then he's definitely not coming back. If he seems like a completely different pitcher, even if he's not spectacular, but still a reliable starting pitcher, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FO give it some thought.

[iortiz]

I'd be shocked if we found out they even considered re-signing him. I think they're going to sprint away from him.

 

If he puts something around Colon's numbers will be interesting since he is 30 YO.

 

Yes, I wouldn't pay him neither lot of money nor long term contract again.

 

First, I need to see how good he performs.

[mvp 78]

I don't think it's a good idea for Buckner to coach in Boston. He still has some baggage' date=' courtesy of MacNamara, and there is no sense in opening any of it again.[/quote']

 

No he doesn't. If you were old enough to remember 86, you don't have any conflicting ideas about Buckner. It wasn't his fault in the least.

[iortiz]

Depends' date=' even if he is good, if he's got the same issues he did over the last four years, then he's definitely not coming back. If he seems like a completely different pitcher, even if he's not spectacular, but still a reliable starting pitcher, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FO give it some thought.[/quote']

 

Exactly, is more likely how he looks like delivering, beyond the numbers which of course will be important at some range.

[Emmz]

Agreed with your previous 2 posts, I would also be open to the idea if the price is right.

[a700hitter]

I am almost positive I still have this card. I have not looked at them in 25 years but just have kept carting them from one house to the next but I can even remember what this card looks like.

Isn't it funny how you can remember exactly what a card looks like that you haven't seen in decades. I had a collection from my childhood '65-71. It stayed in boxes in my parents house until 1982. I was at some outdoor flee market with my wife and there was a memorabilia stand. I bought a book on baseball cards. I started thumbing through the book. At the beginning of each year or series they had a picture of one of the cards. I spotted this Roberto Clemente 3D card. It was part of a limited edition of 13 or so cards. They were inserts in regular packs --I think with the 1969 set. Anyway, when i saw the picture of the card, I had remembered having it as a kid. I checked the price column. In mint condition, it was $500. I ran to my parents home barely said hello. I asked my mom if she had touched any of the stuff that I had left in the closet in my room and ran upstairs. I found the Clemente card and two others -- one being a Willie Davis. They were worth face value $1,000. I was a Law student at the time and $1,000 would come in handy. It was before the days of the internet so it was hard to find a dealer to get a good price. I got $300 for the 4 cards. It's funny how the pictures on old cards are burned into my memory after all these years.

[a700hitter]

D-K is expected to return somewhen in June, isn't he?

 

Yes, he is not reliable at this point, but maybe and just maybe, he could emerge and be a decent 4-5 or at least a good depth arm, in the second half of the season.

After 2009, we hoped that he would redeem himself, and the same story after 2010. Here we are again hoping for him to make a comeback-- this time from TJ surgery. Hopefully, the FO isn't planning on getting any contribution from Dice K, because I doubt that he will be useful if he pitches at all.

[Emmz]

Isn't it funny how you can remember exactly what a card looks like that you haven't seen in decades. I had a collection from my childhood '65-71.

 

Pops.

[a700hitter]

Pops.

You are hurtful young lady.

[Emmz]

he meant 1865-1871. He's got a Pud Galvin rookie card, and a Wheaties box with the Knickerbockers on it.

[iortiz]

After 2009' date=' we hoped that he would redeem himself, and the same story after 2010. Here we are again hoping for him to make a comeback-- this time from TJ surgery. Hopefully, the FO isn't planning on getting any contribution from Dice K, because I doubt that he will be useful if he pitches at all.[/quote']

 

I'm far to be a doctor but isn't true, that some players do better after this TJ surgery? the first name that comes to my mind is "el gordo" Colon who btw is 38 or something.

[User Name]

Colon did not have TJ surgery. He had stem cell injections on his shoulder.

[Emmz]

I totally forgot about that. It explained everything, but I'm not sure Dice-K is as done as Colon was.

[a700hitter]

I'm far to be a doctor but isn't true' date=' that some players do better after this TJ surgery? the first name that comes to my mind is "el gordo" Colon who btw is 38 or something.[/quote']If he contributes in 2012 it will be an unexpected surprise for me. If he is effective again, it will probably be after his Sox contract runs out.

[User Name]

The recovery from TJ surgery usually begets an increase in velocity but loss of control (at least initially) for the pitcher. Because of Dice-K's specific case, no one can really know what to expect after he recovers.

[iortiz]

If he contributes in 2012 it will be an unexpected surprise for me. If he is effective again' date=' it will probably be after his Sox contract runs out.[/quote']

 

I think for everybody compa.

 

Imagine this scenario. D-K becomes a FA and he is signed by NY, btw cheap, and suddenly he performs solid, lets say, the next 5 years (+-4.0) (I know, I know, unlikely).

 

If that happens, I don't know you my friend, but I'd go to NY and at least I'd kick the ass of his translator.

[Emmz]

The recovery from TJ surgery usually begets an increase in velocity but loss of control (at least initially) for the pitcher. Because of Dice-K's specific case' date=' no one can really know what to expect after he recovers.[/b']

 

This.

[FredLynn]

The recovery from TJ surgery usually begets an increase in velocity but loss of control (at least initially) for the pitcher. Because of Dice-K's specific case' date=' no one can really know what to expect after he recovers.[/quote']

 

Are you a doctor too?

Don't know much about the details of the procedure. What I have seen from guys that have had it is what you describe.

Also, I would be surprised if DiceK threw another pitch for the Red Sox. The new sheriff...I mean MANAGER..doesn't like him. Besides that, he sucks.

[User Name]

Nope, i'm not a doctor, but i've done some research on the subject for academic purposes.

[iortiz]

I totally forgot about that. It explained everything' date=' but I'm not sure Dice-K is as done as Colon was.[/quote']

 

The upside on D-K after all, is his age. He is 30. He has room to come back.

[Muggah]

Are you a doctor too?

Don't know much about the details of the procedure. What I have seen from guys that have had it is what you describe.

Also, I would be surprised if DiceK threw another pitch for the Red Sox. The new sheriff...I mean MANAGER..doesn't like him. Besides that, he sucks.

 

I'm wondering if Valentine will call Dice-K out on this five year long charade he's been pulling about not understanding or speaking English. I sure hope so.

[Elktonnick]

Nope' date=' i'm not a doctor, but i've done some research on the subject for academic purposes. [/quote']

 

BTW Pumpsie is an MD. Just thought you should know. You may find the following article interesting:

"Tommy John surgery, more properly known as ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction (or UCL), is a surgical operation in which a ligament in the medial elbow is replaced with a tendon from elsewhere in the body (often from the forearm, hamstring, or foot of the patient). The procedure was developed by Dr. Frank Jobe in 1974 for pitcher Tommy John, for whom the surgery is named.

 

The injury results from repetitive use of the elbow during the violent motions involved with throwing a baseball. In the surgery the new tendon is implanted and woven in a figure-eight pattern through holes drilled in the humerus and ulna bones.

 

A torn elbow ligament was the most common cause of what was simply called "dead arm injury" during most of the 20th century.

 

At the time of the first operation, Jobe put John's odds at returning to pitch 1 in 100. After his 1974 surgery, John spent 18 months rehabilitating his arm, returning for the 1976 season. He would go on to pitch in the major leagues until 1989 at age 46. The chances of a complete recovery after the modern surgery are estimated at 85 to 90 percent. Rehabilitation takes around 12 to 15 months for pitchers and about 6 months for position players.

 

It is not uncommon for pitchers to throw harder after the surgery than they did before the injury. However, this results not because of the surgery itself, but from the rigorous rehabilitation that ensues following surgery.

Lewis Yocum and James Andrews are two other doctors that commonly perform the surgery for professional baseball players."