2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't doubt that the Yankees would eat his salary just to keep him from the Sox. He wouldn't waive the no trade clause to go to the Yankees unless they would assure him that he would be playing RF every day. The Yanks would have to DH Swisher or Gardner. I'm not so sure that they would do that.

 

They would absolutely DH Swisher. Beltran would be an absolute improvement defensively off of Swish

[yankees228]

They would absolutely DH Swisher. Beltran would be an absolute improvement defensively off of Swish

 

I would love that ... but it would mean almost no playing time for Posada, and I don't think the Yankees would do that.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think it depends on Posada. If Posada puts up another .600OPS month in July, they wont have a choice. With ARod out, we need Posada to produce, and if he doesnt kick it back on, then they needs to replace him

[yankees228]

I think it depends on Posada. If Posada puts up another .600OPS month in July' date=' they wont have a choice. With ARod out, we need Posada to produce, and if he doesnt kick it back on, then they needs to replace him[/quote']

 

It's possible. I just never have faith that the Yankees will make the tough decisions with their former stars.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, he was awful for 2 months, had a hot June and has been abysmal in July. If he has 3 terrible months and one solid one, then he has to sit.

[a700hitter]

I would love that ... but it would mean almost no playing time for Posada' date=' and I don't think the Yankees would do that.[/quote']Girardi would happily bench Posada.

[jacksonianmarch]

He better. You have to do what is right by your team, and if Posada isnt hitting, you need to replace him, as he is the designated hitter. If he doesnt hit, he brings nothing to the team

[iortiz]

BTW' date=' Beltran will be in pretty high demand come the deadline. He's the best hitter on the block with possible 2 teams needing bats either in the OF or at DH. I am going out on a limb here, but if Posada continues to have a poor July, I think the Yankees just eat the salary and take him on[/quote']

 

yup, but you need a elite stater pitcher, that's your priority, isn't it?

[jacksonianmarch]

yup' date=' but you need a elite stater pitcher, that's your priority, isn't it?[/quote']

 

Anyone would want an elite SP, the thing is, none are available. And as of right now, the Yankees staff has been pretty good. We have a solid 6th option now in the minors in Nova if Hughes doesnt work out. Colon has been essentially a second ace behind CC and Burnett/Garcia have been a solid 3 and 4. Right now, our staff isnt in need of an upgrade. If Soriano cannot return, though, we will absolutely need an upgrade in the pen. We need more than 2 reliable relievers

[alphilip77]

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in the thread but it's interesting nonetheless:

 

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/11/the-red-sox-are-interested-in-matt-garza

[iortiz]

Anyone would want an elite SP' date=' the thing is, none are available. And as of right now, the Yankees staff has been pretty good. We have a solid 6th option now in the minors in Nova if Hughes doesnt work out. Colon has been essentially a second ace behind CC and Burnett/Garcia have been a solid 3 and 4. Right now, our staff isnt in need of an upgrade. If Soriano cannot return, though, we will absolutely need an upgrade in the pen. We need more than 2 reliable relievers[/quote']

 

So... Do you feel comfortable with your rotation?,

 

Talking 'bout Sox, if you ask me... as a Sox fan I would prefer an average pitcher form a s***** team than a RF these days.

[alphilip77]

If this article has any hint of truth to it, don't know how worthwhile it would be to pursue a trade. The Cubs would likely ask for some decent prospects considering that they gave up quite a bit to Tampa to get him in the first place and I don't know if Theo is ready to give up on the Miller project just yet. Come to think of it, I don't know if Miller has any options, and Theo probably wouldn't want to take the chance of losing him on waivers.

[jacksonianmarch]

So... Do you feel comfortable with your rotation?,

 

Talking 'bout Sox, if you ask me... as a Sox fan I would prefer an average pitcher form a s***** team than a RF these days.

 

Well, it's going to be interesting. If Lackey shows he's on track enough to be a 4.50ERA pitcher the rest of the way, then is it worth going out and trading prospects for a guy who'll be a 5th starter down the stretch and not even make the post season roster?

[BornToRun]

I'm not a huge Heath Bell fan. He didn't have a good year until age 31. He is no replacement for Papelbon.

 

I'd be more interested if he were younger. However, a three headed dragon of Bell, Bard, and Pap for the last 3 innings would be brutally awesome. We'd have Ace, Albers, and Wheeler to supplement them. Our bullpen would be the best in the game and it already is pretty damn good, a very underrated aspect of this team and one of the reasons for our success.

 

 

And this is a bit off-topic but so far we've been linked to Andre Ethier, Heath Bell, Matt Garza, and Carlos Beltran. God, I f***ing love being a Red Sox fan.

[iortiz]

Well' date=' it's going to be interesting. If Lackey shows he's on track enough to be a 4.50ERA pitcher the rest of the way, then is it worth going out and trading prospects for a guy who'll be a 5th starter down the stretch and not even make the post season roster?[/quote']

 

if Lackey shows that (I doubt it, but hope and wish) I wouldn't trade prospects and set a mini-rotation of 3-4 innings/per game with Miller/Wake/Aceves and I'd try to go for Beltran.

[boston22407]

According to Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com, the Angels were engaged in "serious talks" with the Pirates earlier this season about a trade that would have sent outfielder-first baseman Garrett Jones to Anaheim and catcher Jeff Mathis to Pittsburgh.

The discussions ultimately fell apart after Pirates' officials decided they couldn’t part with Jones’ power bat. However, the failed deal does shine a light on each team's area of need. The Pirates are currently relying on a tandem of Michael McKenry and Eric Fryer behind the plate while the Angels are on the market for a left-handed bat to complement rookie slugger Mark Trumbo

[boston22407]

According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, the White Sox are "fielding calls" on right-hander Edwin Jackson.

The White Sox are set to open the second half of the season with six starters, so they do have a surplus. Of course, they remain in contention in the American League Central, so White Sox general manager Ken Williams will likely look for a deal that will put him in position to get major-league talent in return. The 27-year-old Jackson is set to become a free agent following the season.

[SoxSport]

Aisde from Beltran not being a good fit with the Yankees, I doubt the Mets want to deal major players to their market rivals--or to any NL east teams.

 

The Red Sox are a better fit, but other teams will be interested as well, and the Mets will take the best deal--outside of the NL east.

[BornToRun]

Aisde from Beltran not being a good fit with the Yankees, I doubt the Mets want to deal major players to their market rivals--or to any NL east teams.

 

The Red Sox are a better fit, but other teams will be interested as well, and the Mets will take the best deal--outside of the NL east.

 

Yeah, regardless of the league difference, I doubt the Mets would want to help the Yankees. How would that look to their fanbase?

[jacksonianmarch]

Beltran would be a great fit in NY if Posada doesnt hit. And the Mets and Yanks have traded players multiple times. The issue lately has been either the Mets in contention, the Mets being delusional about their chances, or the Mets having s*** to trade.

[boston22407]

Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune reported over the weekend that the Cubs right-hander Matt Garza is “high on the list” of pitchers the Red Sox are considering trading for. Garza is 4-7 with a 4.26 ERA this season with a 3-to-1 strikeout-walk ratio.

 

Garza has spent six years in the majors, coming up with the Twins and spending three seasons with the Rays before his trade to the Cubs this past offseason. The 27-year-old has a 46-51 career record and a 4.00 ERA.

 

Garza, who helped the Rays beat the Red Sox in the 2008 American League Championship Series, has plenty of experience pitching in the AL East. He’s 16-11 with a 3.10 ERA and .241 BAA in 37 career games against the Blue Jays, Orioles and Yankees. He’s also 5-3 with a 3.81 ERA at Fenway.

[AtWork]

The ideas that all it will take to acquire Beltran is paying the rest of his salary and that we're going to be the only serious trade partner for him are wishful thinking.

[iortiz]

Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune reported over the weekend that the Cubs right-hander Matt Garza is “high on the list” of pitchers the Red Sox are considering trading for. Garza is 4-7 with a 4.26 ERA this season with a 3-to-1 strikeout-walk ratio.

 

Garza has spent six years in the majors, coming up with the Twins and spending three seasons with the Rays before his trade to the Cubs this past offseason. The 27-year-old has a 46-51 career record and a 4.00 ERA.

 

Garza, who helped the Rays beat the Red Sox in the 2008 American League Championship Series, has plenty of experience pitching in the AL East. He’s 16-11 with a 3.10 ERA and .241 BAA in 37 career games against the Blue Jays, Orioles and Yankees. He’s also 5-3 with a 3.81 ERA at Fenway.

 

He would be a pretty good option, and the Cubs are not that happy with him.

[example1]

I like that Theo is thinking outside the box and supposedly making Matt Garza a top priority. Garza would be a smart addition. 2012 rotation:

 

Lester

Beckett

Buchholz

Garza

Lackey

 

Yes please.

 

Not sure what it would take to land him, but the Cubs don't have a great track record managing their teams well. The Sox could probably move a package less than what they gave up for Victor Martinez for him. Their team is pretty set moving forward so there is probably room to move guys who could be MLB starters on other teams but who may never have a major role for the Sox.

 

As for Beltran, I don't see it happening. Theo's love for JD Drew and Drew's high salary seem like factors that will go against it. Also, I don't think they would give up the prospects the Mets would want (keeping in mind that Beltran should be a type A and will probably be worth 2 first round picks).

 

WIth all that pessimism, I should say that I think Henry and co., are most likely to overpay in a season like this. The World Series is in sight and winning a WS would buy them a few more seasons of NOT spending everything at the deadline. If Beltran is available, go for it.

[Thunder]

I would puke if we got Garza.

[example1]

I would puke if we got Garza.

 

Puke for joy, or puke because you dislike him?

[AtWork]

Garza would be a good bottom of the rotation starter and he's been pretty unlucky this year. He has the highest strikeout rate of his career and his FIP is 2.98. I think the Cubs might be asking quite a bit for him though. When they acquired him, they thought of him as a #2 starter.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I would puke if we got Garza.

 

Why? He's already had experience with the AL East and done well enough in that division. It wouldn't be a bad move if done right.

[Thunder]

Puke for joy' date=' or puke because you dislike him?[/quote']

 

What do you think? Who pukes for joy?

[example1]

Garza would be a good bottom of the rotation starter and he's been pretty unlucky this year. He has the highest strikeout rate of his career and his FIP is 2.98. I think the Cubs might be asking quite a bit for him though. When they acquired him' date=' they thought of him as a #2 starter.[/quote']

 

They probably should. He's in his prime, he's durable, he's got AL east experience. The Yankees should push hard for him too if he is available.