2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[redsoxbeatz]

I'm pretty sure we wont be acquiring Beltran, ya'll. We don't need him.

[Dojji]

I disagree. We aren't going to pitch our way to anything this year, that means the lineup 1 thru 9 needs to be awesome, not just pretty good.

[FredLynn]

Are we out of the Al East race yet? :lol:

 

Gee, I don't know. Why don't you check the standings. I guess Olney has a twin

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Gee' date=' I don't know. Why don't you check the standings. I guess Olney has a twin[/quote']

 

You

 

If they do not wake up soon we will be out of the ALE race.

 

On June 29, 2011 you said this. Good call lmao, oh noes we lost to ze Phillies it's over!!!!!111111111 panikpanikpanik!

[Spitball]

If Ubaldo Jiminez is indeed available, the Sox need to get into the bidding. I do find it suspicious that a TOR pitcher who under control through 2013 could be available. Apparently his radar readings are down about 3 mph but his SO/9 are about the same.

 

The Sox can't count on Lester, Beckett, and Buccholz all being healthy for the playoffs. They need another pitcher.

[FredLynn]

You

 

If they do not wake up soon we will be out of the ALE race.

 

On June 29, 2011 you said this. Good call lmao, oh noes we lost to ze Phillies it's over!!!!!

 

Did I say that we ARE out of the ALE race? If so, find the quote. If not, admit that you are a fool.

 

You:

 

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[FredLynn]

If Ubaldo Jiminez is indeed available, the Sox need to get into the bidding. I do find it suspicious that a TOR pitcher who under control through 2013 could be available. Apparently his radar readings are down about 3 mph but his SO/9 are about the same.

 

The Sox can't count on Lester, Beckett, and Buccholz all being healthy for the playoffs. They need another pitcher.

 

At what price? Bedard is another pitcher who is probably available and he has performed well, but again, at what price? They won't be cheap. And if Lester and CB do make it back what do we do with our new SP? I would rather get a quality RHH corner OF to replace Drew.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lmao dumbass. That was the quote, you were worried we would be out of contention after losing to the Phillies. If anything YOU are the village idiot. I can't quote it because the game thread is locked. Check the 6/29 gamethread.

[Palodios]

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals would "most covet" right-hander Jeremy Hellickson in a potential trade with the Rays.

The Rays are known to have long-standing interest in Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus, who has clashed with management and issued more than one trade request since arriving in St. Louis in 2009. Tampa Bay is still very much in contention this season and would certainly prefer to keep its starting rotation intact, but Rasmus' five-tool potential may lure them into trade

 

I wouldn't trade Hellickson for anyone on the Cardinals not named "Pujols".

[Spitball]

At what price?

He is under control for a couple of more years, and he is not expensive. I'd say he'd cost some major prospects.

 

Bedard is another pitcher who is probably available...

I'd take a chance on Bedard at a lesser price.

 

 

And if Lester and CB do make it back what do we do with our new SP?

 

The three most effective pitchers start in the playoffs. It would be an excellent, excellent problem to have.

 

 

I would rather get a quality RHH corner OF to replace Drew.

 

With the Sox' line-up, I'd say they can fill right with Reddick or Kalish. Pitching will be the Sox downfall.

[Palodios]

With the Sox' line-up' date=' I'd say they can fill right with Reddick or Kalish. Pitching will be the Sox downfall.[/quote']

 

When building a team, you get wins whatever way you can. Major league average pitching will cost significant prospects. Major league average hitting will not. The Red Sox have a big gap in RF very easily filled.

[redsoxbeatz]

The thing is, our RF is poor only offensively and yet our offense is still #1. JD Drew is a good defensive player. Reddick is on fire at that plate. We don't need a new guy to play RF we just don't. Especially for HALF a season. We need a pitcher or pitchers. Our bullpen though performing well could always use more additions perhaps a lefty. We could definitely go for a solid addition to our rotation, too. Miller is brand new. We can't expect that much out of him. Lackey is.. wild... I mean, it seems only logical to me to add pitchers. The #1 offense doesn't NEED more offense. The pitching rotation NEEDS a solid addition.

[boston22407]

FOX Sport' Jon Morosi reports that Joakim Soria has the Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Dodgers, Rockies and Braves on his no-trade list.

It's an updated list that Morosi originally provided last week, with the Dodgers, Rockies and Braves representing the new teams on the list. It doesn't necessarily mean Soria isn't willing to go to these teams, but rather they're included as a means to give the closer some degree of leverage in trade talks. In reality, Soria is unlikely to go anywhere given that he's signed reasonably through 2014.

[iortiz]

The thing is' date=' our RF is poor only offensively and yet our offense is still #1. JD Drew is a good defensive player. Reddick is on fire at that plate. We don't need a new guy to play RF we just don't. Especially for HALF a season. We need a pitcher or pitchers. Our bullpen though performing well could always use more additions perhaps a lefty. We could definitely go for a solid addition to our rotation, too. Miller is brand new. We can't expect that much out of him. Lackey is.. wild... I mean, it seems only logical to me to add pitchers. The #1 offense doesn't NEED more offense. The pitching rotation NEEDS a solid addition.[/quote']

 

Yup. We need a solid SP. Get Garza, he knows the AL East, He will fit just fine in our rotation, He needs fresh air to put his s*** together, I mean, anyone who goes to the Cubs somehow fails, so... bring him to Boston.

 

Then... If you bring Beltran or some RF like him (not less)... Welcome then... But again, bring a damn SP, ours are so fragile, any lesion on Sep/Oct at our 1-3 SPs could be devastating in our aspiration to make the WS. We can't substitute them with Lackey/Wake/ Miller... No way! in the Playoffs against solid offenses like Texas/NYY or the damn Philli.

[redsoxbeatz]

Garza would be great. Edwin Jackson could be cool -- remember that no-hitter he threw (last year?) w/ 127 pitches. We need a solid new starterrrrrr! I hope Theo makes the right move.

[jacksonianmarch]

Garza would gut your farm. The Cubs paid a hefty price for him, they won't just give him away

[SoxFanForsyth]

Garza would gut your farm. The Cubs paid a hefty price for him' date=' they won't just give him away[/quote']

 

No chance the Sox foot the bill for Garza. They already drained the farm for Gonzo. They have the prospects to get the job done if they really want to, but no chance they do it. And it's not like there wouldn't be a bidding war, either. The Yankees would be in on Garza as well, along with a few NL teams I'm sure.

 

Hopefully Buchholz will be back by early August, I would assume Lester will be back soon after the break (maybe the Orioles series, judging by his reports on how he feels), and Beckett is lined up to start on Sunday, so it looks like our pitching staff may dodge a bullet, thanks to the All Star break. We can live with Beckett - Lester - Lackey - Miller - Wakefield until Buch gets back, and then take out Wake and add Buch.

 

This team needs a good hitting, RH RF. There has been a ton of interest in Reddick lately, I'm sure the Sox could work a deal around him and some money for a guy like Beltran.

[a700hitter]

Yup. We need a solid SP. Get Garza, he knows the AL East, He will fit just fine in our rotation, He needs fresh air to put his s*** together, I mean, anyone who goes to the Cubs somehow fails, so... bring him to Boston.

 

Then... If you bring Beltran or some RF like him (not less)... Welcome then... But again, bring a damn SP, ours are so fragile, any lesion on Sep/Oct at our 1-3 SPs could be devastating in our aspiration to make the WS. We can't substitute them with Lackey/Wake/ Miller... No way! in the Playoffs against solid offenses like Texas/NYY or the damn Philli.

Our pitching would do just fine against the Phillies as long as we have Beckett, Lester and Buchholz in the rotation. The Philly offense is overirated. We will need another bat to be competitive against Philly pitching, because Ortiz will have to sit for 4 games.

[Palodios]

Our pitching would do just fine against the Phillies as long as we have Beckett' date=' Lester and Buchholz in the rotation. The Philly offense is overirated. We will need another bat to be competitive against Philly pitching, because Ortiz will have to sit for 4 games.[/quote']

 

I agree with this whole-heartedly. The Red Sox are getting the league's worst production from RF. Their top 3 pitchers are aces. I would much rather fix the biggest problem rather than overspend on prospects to get a guy who will pitch only one or two games in the playoffs.

[Spitball]

Our pitching would do just fine against the Phillies as long as we have Beckett' date=' Lester and Buchholz in the rotation. [/quote']

 

This is the problem. Right now, all three guys have questionable health issues. Pitching wins games, and you can never have too much. If the offense goes into a cold stretch at the wrong time, it will need pitching to carry them. The Giants batted .235 in the playoffs last season, and we know what they did...and how they did it.

 

 

The Philly offense is overirated .

 

The Phillie offense scored five runs against Beckett in six innings.

 

We will need another bat to be competitive against Philly pitching' date=' because Ortiz will have to sit for 4 games.[/quote']

 

The Sox do need another bat, and Beltran would be an excellent addition. But, I don't think they absolutely need a bright and shiny bauble in right field over pitching depth.

 

I'd take a Ryan Dempster salary dump from the Cubs for the rotation depth and a Chris Denorfia dump from the Padres over a mere acquisition of Beltran.

 

Note: I'm not advocating Denorfia necessarily, but he would be an upgrade and the antithesis of the "shiny bauble" acquisition.

[BornToRun]

This is the problem. Right now, all three guys have questionable health issues. Pitching wins games, and you can never have too much. If the offense goes into a cold stretch at the wrong time, it will need pitching to carry them. The Giants batted .235 in the playoffs last season, and we know what they did...and how they did it.

 

 

 

 

The Phillie offense scored five runs against Beckett in six innings.

 

 

The Sox do need another bat, and Beltran would be an excellent addition. But, I don't think they absolutely need a bright and shiny bauble in right field over pitching depth.

 

I'd take a Ryan Dempster salary dump from the Cubs for the rotation depth and a Chris Denorfia dump from the Padres over a mere acquisition of Beltran.

 

Note: I'm not advocating Denorfia necessarily, but he would be an upgrade and the antithesis of the "shiny bauble" acquisition.

 

It was 1 outing dude. And Lester and Beckett's injuries aren't anywhere near serious and Clay's recently gotten some good news on his back.

[Palodios]

The Phillie offense scored five runs against Beckett in six innings.

Are you serious? His first start back after having the flu? If he can shutout the Yankees, he can certainly do the same to the Phillies.

 

 

I'd take a Ryan Dempster salary dump from the Cubs for the rotation depth and a Chris Denorfia dump from the Padres over a mere acquisition of Beltran.

 

Do you know what happens when you take a 5.00+ ERA guy in the NL West and put him into the AL East? Let me assure you, that's a terrible idea.

 

Denorfia is an interesting idea though. A decent RHH RF with average everything, on a team that is definitely selling, and the Sox are already on the same page with as far as prospects go. Take him out of San Diego and he could be a solid OBP guy, and you know he'd hustle more than Drew.

[Spitball]

Are you serious? His first start back after having the flu? If he can shutout the Yankees' date=' he can certainly do the same to the Phillies..[/quote']

 

I'm merely pointing out that the Phillies offense, or any team offense for that matter, can score runs.

 

 

Do you know what happens when you take a 5.00+ ERA guy in the NL West and put him into the AL East? Let me assure you' date=' that's a terrible idea.[/quote']

 

Dempster had a horrible first six starts of the season where his ERA was about 10.00. His current ERA is a reflection of that start because he has been about 3.40 in his last 13 starts.

 

Besides, Dempster was just an example of a tough competitor starter who will likey be available.

 

Denorfia is an interesting idea though. A decent RHH RF with average everything' date=' on a team that is definitely selling, and the Sox are already on the same page with as far as prospects go. Take him out of San Diego and he could be a solid OBP guy, and you know he'd hustle more than Drew.[/quote']

 

I agree. He is a solid player who has little name recognition. He would be a very nice, cheap upgrade in right.

[iortiz]

Our pitching would do just fine against the Phillies as long as we have Beckett' date=' Lester and Buchholz in the rotation. The Philly offense is overirated. We will need another bat to be competitive against Philly pitching, because Ortiz will have to sit for 4 games.[/quote']

 

Yes, but if someone gets injured, we would be in a predicament. It is easier to replace a bat than a elite SP in the Playoffs. As I said, somehow our rotation have been so fragile, I'm not confident in their healthy at all.

 

I'm not against to get Beltran, who would?, but our priority should be a solid SP if our budget is limited, --We are the #1 offense without CC and without some player named Beltran thus far--

 

If we make the WS, and if we couldn't afford Beltran send A-God to the OF and Papi to first, you have to gamble everything in those instances.

[Palodios]

Yes, but if someone gets injured, we would be in a predicament. It is easier to replace a bat than a elite SP in the Playoffs. As I said, somehow our rotation have been so fragile, I'm not confident in their healthy at all.

 

I'm not against to get Beltran, who would?, but our priority should be a solid SP if our budget is limited, --We are the #1 offense without CC and without some player named Beltran thus far--

 

If we make the WS, and if we couldn't afford Beltran send A-God to the OF and Papi to first, you have to gamble everything in that instances.

 

Most of the injuries to the big 3 have been precautionary. Were it the playoffs, they likely would have made more starts, and avoided the DL.

[iortiz]

Are you serious? His first start back after having the flu? If he can shutout the Yankees' date=' he can certainly do the same to the Phillies.[/quote']

 

That.! Another flu, stomachache, strain, etc. in the Playoffs could result devastating if we lose one of those 3.

 

The Philli are the 5th OBP team in the NL. They have a decent .323 OBP combined. And that combined with their rotation make them balanced and dangerous. We need an extra SP for a series that surly would go to 7 games not just in the WS but probably in the divisional and in the ALCS.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yes, but if someone gets injured, we would be in a predicament. It is easier to replace a bat than a elite SP in the Playoffs. As I said, somehow our rotation have been so fragile, I'm not confident in their healthy at all.

 

I'm not against to get Beltran, who would?, but our priority should be a solid SP if our budget is limited, --We are the #1 offense without CC and without some player named Beltran thus far--

 

If we make the WS, and if we couldn't afford Beltran send A-God to the OF and Papi to first, you have to gamble everything in that instances.

 

Our pitching has been injured and we are still playing .611 baseball. Since Buch went down, we have gone 14-8. We are on a 99 game win pace with our number 5 man out for the season, our number 4 man posting a 6.5 era, and our number 3 man out for a month. Lackey threw better than I've seen him throw in a Sox uni last start, Buch got great news on his back and is only a week or two away from a rehab start, Lester should be back before August, and Miller has been better than DiceK. Our issue is not pitching, in fact, on July 31, we may be only missing Buch, and he may be making a rehab start. JD Drew can't hit lhp, or any pitching for that matter. The hole that Drew provides is much bigger than a number 4 or 5 starter, and Miller has a

3.57 era right now with a 3-0 record. Anything we get off of a trade will be nominally better than that, if at all, and will cost a ton. We can get a

RF for fairly cheap to compliment Drew that is a huge improvement over McDonald

[SoxFanForsyth]

That.! Another flu, stomachache, strain, etc. in the Playoffs could result devastating if we lose one of those 3.

 

The Philli are the 5th OBP team in the NL. They have a decent .323 OBP combined. And that combined with their rotation make them balanced and dangerous. We need an extra SP for a series that surly would go to 7 games not just in the WS but probably in the divisional and in the ALCS.

 

Beckett, or any other sp on our team, would s*** his pants on the mound and puke between innings before they missed a start in the playoffs. They would throw through a hell of a lot more during the post season than they would on July 15th. Right now they're trying to make sure they are healthy to get to the post season. Once October rolls around, all bets are off and these precautionary measures are thrown out the window. You've got 4 months off to recover after the post season so you can gamble a little more.

[iortiz]

Plain and Simple: Why do we want to prioritize and improve the best department in all baseball? ---despite CC's injury and TF's decisions like sending McD hitting 5th--

 

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6457/screenshot20110714at146.png

 

and why not prioritize, improve and focus on the weak side?

 

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Again... our rotation is lucky to have a support of 6 Rs AVG/per game from the best department in all majors.

 

Sorry, but I don't see Reddick batting below .270, why these all fear on him? just don't get it.

 

Improve the damn rotation.!

[BornToRun]

Plain and Simple: Why do we want to prioritize and improve the best department in all baseball? ---despite CC's injury and TF's decisions like sending McD hitting 5th--

 

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6457/screenshot20110714at146.png

 

and why not prioritize, improve and focus on the weak side?

 

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6457/screenshot20110714at146.png

 

Again... our rotation is lucky to have a support of 6 Rs AVG/per game from the best department in all majors.

 

Sorry, but I don't see Reddick batting below .270, why these all fear on him? just don't get it.

 

Improve the damn rotation.!

 

Believe it or not, those numbers are heavily influenced by John Lackey. There's an old thread where I asked a member to take away John's numbers from our pitching stats and they are much, much prettier. And now that Lackey has shown signs of improvement, all the more reason to have faith in our pitching staff.