2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

I like that Theo is thinking outside the box and supposedly making Matt Garza a top priority. Garza would be a smart addition. 2012 rotation:

 

Lester

Beckett

Buchholz

Garza

Lackey

 

Yes please.

 

Not sure what it would take to land him, but the Cubs don't have a great track record managing their teams well. The Sox could probably move a package less than what they gave up for Victor Martinez for him. Their team is pretty set moving forward so there is probably room to move guys who could be MLB starters on other teams but who may never have a major role for the Sox.

 

As for Beltran, I don't see it happening. Theo's love for JD Drew and Drew's high salary seem like factors that will go against it. Also, I don't think they would give up the prospects the Mets would want (keeping in mind that Beltran should be a type A and will probably be worth 2 first round picks).

 

WIth all that pessimism, I should say that I think Henry and co., are most likely to overpay in a season like this. The World Series is in sight and winning a WS would buy them a few more seasons of NOT spending everything at the deadline. If Beltran is available, go for it.

The Mets will not get any draft picks for Beltran. He is not arbitration eligible. The Mets have to move him or they will get nothing.

[arbitrary]

What do you think? Who pukes for joy?

 

 

david carradine?

[example1]

The Mets will not get any draft picks for Beltran. He is not arbitration eligible. The Mets have to move him or they will get nothing.

 

I don't think you have to be arbitration eligible to get draft picks. You have to be a Type A free agent. Unless the rules have changed.

[iortiz]

Lets face the truth, we have only 3 solid starters and if we want to make the WS we need another solid option. Get Garza, thats our priority.

 

So.. prepare to see the mound spited, hehe.

[AtWork]

I don't think you have to be arbitration eligible to get draft picks. You have to be a Type A free agent. Unless the rules have changed.

 

You have to be a Type A or Type B free agent who is offered arbitration and Beltran has a clause in his contract stating that the Mets can't offer him arbitration when his contract is up.

[example1]

Ahh. That type of arbitration eligible. Got it. I was thinking about pre-FA arbitration, which he's obviously too old/wealthy for.

 

All the more reason for them to trade him then. Less reason for the Sox to give up much though.

 

I would prefer Garza over Beltran, and would prefer that the Yankees get Beltran over Garza. Either would be a nice deadline though.

[a700hitter]

You have to be a Type A or Type B free agent who is offered arbitration and Beltran has a clause in his contract stating that the Mets can't offer him arbitration when his contract is up.

That's exactly right. The Mets will get nothing for him. He's gonna go to the team that picks up the most salary and any prospect.

[example1]

That's exactly right. The Mets will get nothing for him. He's gonna go to the team that picks up the most salary and any prospect.

 

Does him waiving his no-trade also waive his no arbitration clause?

 

Also, did you notice that part of his contract was that the Mets would lease an ocular enhancer machine that throws multi-colored tennis balls at 150mph? He also required a 15 person suite for home games. This guy should meet Dice-K.

 

Nah. He shouldn't. Dice-K can just stay away from the club.

[iortiz]

Ahh. That type of arbitration eligible. Got it. I was thinking about pre-FA arbitration, which he's obviously too old/wealthy for.

 

All the more reason for them to trade him then. Less reason for the Sox to give up much though.

 

I would prefer Garza over Beltran, and would prefer that the Yankees get Beltran over Garza. Either would be a nice deadline though.

 

yup. Beltran is mediatic. Garza would be long term option.

 

Now, if we got the money (doubt it) get both!

[a700hitter]

Does him waiving his no-trade also waive his no arbitration clause?

 

Not that I have read or heard.

[example1]

Not that I have read or heard.

 

I figured as much, I just wonder if any team accepting a player has to accept his clauses too.

 

Would you prefer Beltran over Garza?

[AtWork]

"Landing Beltran would seem like a long shot. The Mets are sure to want a good prospect or two in return and the money could be prohibitive."

 

Extra Bases

[a700hitter]

I figured as much, I just wonder if any team accepting a player has to accept his clauses too.

 

Would you prefer Beltran over Garza?

Yes. I don't want Garza for the rest of his contract. I'd rather have Beltran for a couple of months. We've got enough pitching to get to the playoffs, and we have three top aces to get us through the playoffs. We need a big bat to make up for the loss of papi in the NL park if we get to the Series.

[AtWork]

And what if Buchholz' back continues to not improve? We're going to roll with Lackey, Miller and Wakefield making most of our starts?

[example1]

Ellsbury (L)

Pedroia ®

Gonzalez (L)

Youkilis ®

Ortiz (L)

Beltran (S)

Crawford (L)

Saltalamacchia (S)

Scutaro ®

 

Salivating a little bit...

 

Beltran has good pop and decent speed. I don't think he's nearly as patient as the Sox tend to be, but neither is Crawford and what he lacks in patience he makes up for in other stuff.

 

I wouldn't be disappointed with either. I also think Garza would be a great 4th pitcher in the playoffs and good insurance if any of the top 3 aren't in top form.

[example1]

And what if Buchholz' back continues to not improve? We're going to roll with Lackey' date=' Miller and Wakefield making most of our starts?[/quote']

 

To be fair, you could just as easily say Beckett, Lester and Lackey making most of our starts, no? I get your point but...

[iortiz]

And what if Buchholz' back continues to not improve? We're going to roll with Lackey' date=' Miller and Wakefield making most of our starts?[/quote']

 

that! is what could make me pukes,

[redsoxbeatz]

Garza would be a sweet addition. I don't think we need to worry about out RF production. We are 1st in the top 4 categories (ESPN.com) --> BA, OBP, Runs, Slugging.

 

We NEED Buch to come back healthy... any news on his back?

 

Anyway, can't WAIT to see what happen at the end of the month.

[SoxFanForsyth]

PHOENIX – Talking during the media availability for the National League All-Star team, San Diego closer Heath Bell admitted that while his priority is focusing on the current season, he is keeping an eye on the closing situation with the Red Sox. Boston’s current closer, Jonathan Papelbon, is slated to become a free agent following this season.

 

“I look at free agency as, ‘I’m unemployed,’ and I really don’t want to be unemployed,” said Bell, who is the final year of his current deal with the Padres. “I knew Papelbon was a free agent, but that was about it, just because my friend Adrian [Gonzalez] was over there, so I wanted to see if I could go over there. That’s about it. I haven’t really thought much about it. I’m just worried about the games of right now. I’m not really worried about the offseason.”

 

Heath Bell is in the last year of his contract. I wonder if he'll be available at the deadline, and if so, I wonder if Theo will make a move for him. That would be a solid addition to our bullpen. If we don't trade for him, it sounds like he's very interested in coming over to the Sox next season.

[a700hitter]

Garza would be a sweet addition. I don't think we need to worry about out RF production. We are 1st in the top 4 categories (ESPN.com) --> BA, OBP, Runs, Slugging.

 

We NEED Buch to come back healthy... any news on his back?

 

Anyway, can't WAIT to see what happen at the end of the month.

If he Sox make it to the World Series, they will lose Ortiz's bat for 3 or 4 games. That would significantly impact the offense as we saw during interleague play. They need to add a big offensive bat to offset that loss.

[SoxSport]

Pap is a Boras guy. That makes his chances of sticking in Boston less. Besides, he is a bit suspect at this point, though he has rebounded some this year.

 

Bell is certainly on their radar screen--with the close relations between the two teams. You know they don't want Bell in pinstripes--and the Sox will undoubtedly be given first dibs. The problem is the Sox don't like to pay BP pitchers big money.

[a700hitter]

Using Jacko as a barometer, it is clear that the move for Theo to make is to get Beltran. He'll be available mainly for $. Prospects are secondary. He's an All Star performer who is putting up nice numbers in a pitchers park for a lousy team. RF is our worst position. Beltran has said he would waive his NTC to come to Boston. The Mets have to move him or they will get nothing when he walks. It's such a no-brainer move that there really should be no debate about whether we should acquire him. Of course Jacko says that we don't need a RF, but instead we should get a pitcher. That should clinch it for you if you ever have any doubt. Jacko is spouting his Yankee propaganda, because he knows that our offense with Beltran would be an unstoppable juggernaut. He is hoping that Reddick stays hot, so Theo looks to fill another need. Theo, please disregard the opinions of Yankee saboteurs. Get Beltran. It is a perfect fit.

 

Jacko has also said that he would vomit if we got Reyes, but he doubts that the Sox will get him. Theo, I implore you to make the scum dog Yankee fans cry and vomit. You will have the money after this season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Using Jacko as a barometer, it is clear that the move for Theo to make is to get Beltran. He'll be available mainly for $. Prospects are secondary. He's an All Star performer who is putting up nice numbers in a pitchers park for a lousy team. RF is our worst position. Beltran has said he would waive his NTC to come to Boston. The Mets have to move him or they will get nothing when he walks. It's such a no-brainer move that there really should be no debate about whether we should acquire him. Of course Jacko says that we don't need a RF, but instead we should get a pitcher. That should clinch it for you if you ever have any doubt. Jacko is spouting his Yankee propaganda, because he knows that our offense with Beltran would be an unstoppable juggernaut. He is hoping that Reddick stays hot, so Theo looks to fill another need. Theo, please disregard the opinions of Yankee saboteurs. Get Beltran. It is a perfect fit.

 

Jacko has also said that he would vomit if we got Reyes, but he doubts that the Sox will get him. Theo, I implore you to make the scum dog Yankee fans cry and vomit. You will have the money after this season.

 

I'm a little confused about the Sox this deadline. At the beginning of the season, I remember hearing John Henry say that they set aside some money for any trade deadline moves that they would need to make. Now, I keep hearing that they do not have any room to take on extra salary, which makes Beltran a long shot. It gets old getting the conflicting reports.

 

I've heard the Sox linked to Cuddyer as well. He's having a pretty solid season. 13 HR, 137 OPS+. Higher average, lower OPS than Beltran, but comes at a fraction of the cost. Realistically, I can see Cuddyer more than I can see Beltran.

 

Cuddy vs LHP (100 PA): .369/.470/.726

Beltran vs LHP (103 PA): .232/.291/.547

 

Cuddyer could be a big addition to the club, and has a pretty realistic shot of being traded here.

[SoxSport]

I don't think the Twins will deal Cuddyer. They still think they are in it, and are hot right now. Watch out for the Yankees getting Garza.

 

Theo is also looking for pitching options no doubt. Could be Bell.

 

They need their top 3 starters healthy for the playoffs--Buchholz, not Lackey. Miller is the only other guy who could impact.

[ORS]

Heath Bell is in the last year of his contract. I wonder if he'll be available at the deadline' date=' and if so, I wonder if Theo will make a move for him. That would be a solid addition to our bullpen. If we don't trade for him, it sounds like he's very interested in coming over to the Sox next season.[/quote']

It's also pretty clear from the article that he's interested in still being a closer (his comments about Papelbon focussed on the Sox closer's expiring contract). He wouldn't be an addition, he'd be a replacement. Given the improvement Papelbon has shown this year, that's not a replacement I look forward too.

[Palodios]

I'm a little confused about the Sox this deadline. At the beginning of the season, I remember hearing John Henry say that they set aside some money for any trade deadline moves that they would need to make. Now, I keep hearing that they do not have any room to take on extra salary, which makes Beltran a long shot. It gets old getting the conflicting reports.

 

Theo has talked about how the Red Sox do have some money, and could potentially make a big deal if the terms are right. I think the problem is that the Bruins unexpectedly took a good amount of revenue away from the Red Sox earlier this season, and the ownership group is hesitating on whether to add another big contract right now.

[a700hitter]

Now' date=' I keep hearing that they do not have any room to take on extra salary, which makes Beltran a long shot. It gets old getting the conflicting reports.[/quote']The same thing happens every year. The Red Sox always put out the budget constraint story to dampen expectations. It's propaganda. These are the Red Sox. They have money to plunk down $6 million if they want to. The Crawford and AGon deals should have proved once and for all time just how extensive are the Red Sox resources. Please let's stop discussing whether the Sox "can" get someone and discuss the reality which is whether they want to get someone.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's also pretty clear from the article that he's interested in still being a closer (his comments about Papelbon focussed on the Sox closer's expiring contract). He wouldn't be an addition' date=' he'd be a replacement. Given the improvement Papelbon has shown this year, that's not a replacement I look forward too.[/quote']

 

Would you rather have Heath Bell (148 ERA+) at 2 years/18mm, or Papelbon (104 ERA+) at 2 years/30mm? Obviously, ERA+ takes into consideration the park factors, and results in a better comparison.

 

Pap has done well closing games this year, but Heath Bell would be just as good and could cost about40% less.

[Palodios]

Would you rather have Heath Bell (148 ERA+) at 2 years/18mm, or Papelbon (104 ERA+) at 2 years/30mm? Obviously, ERA+ takes into consideration the park factors, and results in a better comparison.

 

Pap has done well closing games this year, but Heath Bell would be just as good and could cost about40% less.

 

Relief pitching tends to be the most unreliable position in the majors. Guys that are exceptional now, might turn to garbage in different environments or different years. Heath Bell is doing well in the NL West, but bring him to the AL East for two seasons to close at age 34/35? He hasn't closed a single game in the playoffs, has he?

[ORS]

Where are you getting those figures from? The 40% savings sounds a lot like fantasy. Heath Bell will be near the top of the market for closers.

 

Actually, I don't think ERA+ is as insightful as FIP/xFIP.

 

2.55/3.78 for Bell

2.14/2.32 for Papelbon