2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[yankees228]

Wilpon needs $200 million in 2 years or he loses control of the team. PR is irrelevant unless it would translate into less revenue. Wilpon doesn't care if talk radio bashes him as long as attendance holds.

 

It would absolutely translate into less revenue. Right now people are excited about the team because they're playing well and have a MVP candidate. If they deal Reyes, they can say goodbye to both of those things.

[a700hitter]

It would absolutely translate into less revenue. Right now people are excited about the team because they're playing well and have a MVP candidate. If they deal Reyes' date=' they can say goodbye to both of those things.[/quote']If they have any brains at all, they should have someone tracking the walkup and weekly ticket sales. The Mets presales count for most of their ticket revenue, meaning that most of the revenue is already in. A drop off in small walk up or same week sales might not cut into the savings that they will get from a huge salary dump. You are making assumptions based on no statistical data.

[Palodios]

Cots calculates by payroll. Luxury tax is calculated at average annual value of the contract. The payroll this year is less than the AAV.

 

Sorry, I was unclear, that's why I lowballed the number.

[yankees228]

If they have any brains at all' date=' they should have someone tracking the walkup and weekly ticket sales. The Mets presales count for most of their ticket revenue, meaning that most of the revenue is already in. A drop off in small walk up or same week sales might not cut into the savings that they will get from a huge salary dump. You are making assumptions based on no statistical data.[/quote']

 

I'm not just talking about this year ... I'm talking about season tickets for next year.

[a700hitter]

I'm not just talking about this year ... I'm talking about season tickets for next year.

They are not going to retain Reyes long term, because they don't have the money. After 2011, he's gone no matter what.

[yankees228]

They are not going to retain Reyes long term' date=' because they don't have the money. After 2011, he's gone no matter what.[/quote']

 

Couple points.

 

1. There's a difference between trading him before free agency and making him a respectable offer but him walking in the end. If they trade him this year I suspect they'll see a massive season ticket canceling spree.

 

2. How do you know they don't have the money?

[a700hitter]

Couple points.

 

1. There's a difference between trading him before free agency and making him a respectable offer but him walking in the end. If they trade him this year I suspect they'll see a massive season ticket canceling spree.

 

2. How do you know they don't have the money?

I know people who are in and close to the Mets organization. They had trouble meeting payroll last year. They spent no money this past off season and they made a wacky deal with a new minority owner that could cost them control of the team, because they desperately need money. It's fairly well-known.

[yankees228]

I know people who are in and close to the Mets organization. They had trouble meeting payroll last year. They spent no money this past off season and they made a wacky deal with a new minority owner that could cost them control of the team' date=' because they desperately need money. It's fairly well-known.[/quote']

 

It's fairly well-known that they were hurt financially by Madoff, but not that they're completely hamstrung. I'm not saying you're wrong ... that could very well be correct, but with so much money coming off the books next year, I think it's quite possible that they could still make a respectable offer to Reyes.

[a700hitter]

It's fairly well-known that they were hurt financially by Madoff' date=' but not that they're completely hamstrung. I'm not saying you're wrong ... that could very well be correct, but with so much money coming off the books next year, I think it's quite possible that they could still make a respectable offer to Reyes.[/quote']They are going to need that money to payoff the new partner or they will lose the team. They will not retain Reyes unless they sign him to some sort of deferred deal.

[yankees228]

They are going to need that money to payoff the new partner or they will lose the team. They will not retain Reyes unless they sign him to some sort of deferred deal.

 

He might be willing to do that, we just don't know. We also don't know exactly what their money situation is, and what they can afford and can't afford. Saying they can't resign him seems presumptuous.

[a700hitter]

He might be willing to do that' date=' we just don't know. We also don't know exactly what their money situation is, and what they can afford and can't afford. Saying they can't resign him seems presumptuous.[/quote']They had trouble making payroll in 2009 and 2010. They don't have money. That's why they brought in a minority partner at the risk of losing a controlling interest. Those are fact, and the conclusions to be drawn from those facts are quite clear, not presumptuous.

[yankees228]

They had trouble making payroll in 2009 and 2010. They don't have money. That's why they brought in a minority partner at the risk of losing a controlling interest. Those are fact' date=' and the conclusions to be drawn from those facts are quite clear, not presumptuous.[/quote']

 

None of that means they can't resign Reyes, especially when you consider that they have over 50 million dollars coming off the books after this year.

[a700hitter]

None of that means they can't resign Reyes' date=' especially when you consider that they have over 50 million dollars coming off the books after this year.[/quote']...and they owe $200 million in addition to the debt service on the stadium, etc. They are going to need that money to pay back the minority owner.

[yankees228]

...and they owe $200 million in addition to the debt service on the stadium' date=' etc. They are going to need that money to pay back the minority owner.[/quote']

 

Again, it's double sided. If they lose Reyes, and go into full rebuilding mode, they're going to have a very tough time making money. They can resign Reyes, make a couple good low cost moves, remain somewhat competitive, and still cut 15-20 million dollars off last year's payroll. That route makes too much sense not to explore.

[AtWork]

I'd like to see us add a bottom of the rotation starter more than anything. Our offense is the best in baseball, our defense is one of the best in baseball, our pitching has been average. We don't need a top of the rotation pitcher, we've got 3 of those. But a little insurance that we'll make the playoffs by a safe margin would be nice. I'd hate to see it come down to a close race because Lackey, Miller and Wakefield couldn't get their act together.

[a700hitter]

Again' date=' it's double sided. If they lose Reyes, and go into full rebuilding mode, they're going to have a very tough time making money. They can resign Reyes, make a couple good low cost moves, remain somewhat competitive, and still cut 15-20 million dollars off last year's payroll. That route makes too much sense not to explore.[/quote']I'm sure that they would love to keep Reyes, but it will not be possible if he is looking for a Carl Crawford type deal. They are in no position to make that type pf commitment.

 

Edit: Cutting $15-20 million off their current payroll isn't going to cut it. They took on a partner, because they weren't going to be able to make payroll this year.

[Thunder]

The Red Sox just need a rightfielder. Preferably one who is right handed or switch-hitting.

[AtWork]

I'm sure plenty of people are going to disagree with me on this but between Drew, Reddick and Navarro the Red Sox should be able to piece together league average production in right field. And considering we lead the majors in runs and OPS, I think we have more pressing issues.

[a700hitter]

I'm sure plenty of people are going to disagree with me on this but between Drew' date=' Reddick and Navarro the Red Sox should be able to piece together league average production in right field. And considering we lead the majors in runs and OPS, I think we have more pressing issues.[/quote']Disagree. Get a real pro that is currently producing. They should be going balls to the wall for a championship. The only bigger need the team might have is SS, and that will be much tougher to fill. Andrew Miller/Wakefield/ Millwood should be fine in the 5 slot.

[AtWork]

Disagree. Get a real pro that is currently producing. They should be going balls to the wall for a championship. The only bigger need the team might have is SS' date=' and that will be much tougher to fill. Andrew Miller/Wakefield/ Millwood should be fine in the 5 slot.[/quote']

 

If only July 31st, Reddick still has a .900+ OPS and has continued to play above average defense and Miller pitches like his 1.47 WHIP suggests he should, would you still think that upgrading a potential .900 OPS right fielder is more important that upgrading a group of potential 4.50+ ERA 4th and 5th starters that includes Wakefield, Lackey and Millwood?

[Dojji]

Maybe we should bring back Coco Crisp. Proven veteran, golden defensively, good numbers v LHP, Ells can play right if he has to. Heck he won a ring with us, and not just won it, was a huge part of how we won it. He's not the superstar we thought we were getting last time but what he is is a good speedy switch hitting roleplayer.

[a700hitter]

If only July 31st' date=' Reddick still has a .900+ OPS and has continued to play above average defense and Miller pitches like his 1.47 WHIP suggests he should, would you still think that upgrading a potential .900 OPS right fielder is more important that upgrading a group of potential 4.50+ ERA 4th and 5th starters that includes Wakefield, Lackey and Millwood?[/quote']Yes, because the pitchers will adjust to Reddick and he will slump. He has yet to prove that he can make the necessary adjustments to ML pitchers once they find ways to get him out. I'm not willing to take the chance that he will make that adjustment quickly.

[Dojji]

I'm sure plenty of people are going to disagree with me on this but between Drew' date=' Reddick and Navarro the Red Sox should be able to piece together league average production in right field. And considering we lead the majors in runs and OPS, I think we have more pressing issues.[/quote']

 

Where? The bullpen maybe? Even with all the injury crap, this is looking like an impressively complete roster.

 

Speaking of Navarro, don't be surprised if he's in the mix to stick at short too. He's a competent shortstop and has a very good arm, which is something that gives Scutaro a great deal of trouble. He's given some indication in the early going that he might hit too, and a guy who can hit and throw people out from the hole represents a tremendous upgrade over what we've had.

 

Iglesias' struggles open a window for Navarro to stick at SS that weren't there at the start of the year. I've never felt for one second that Red Sox brass or fans would tolerate a shortstop who can't hit indefinitely, so Iglesias really needs to turn it around if he doesn't want to spend multiple years in the minors. Navarro isn't as sexy, but he has assets on offense and defense and is talented enough on both sides of the ball to win the starting shortstop job if Lowrie is too hurt, and Iglesias too offensively inept, to stop him doing it.

[AtWork]

Yes' date=' because the pitchers will adjust to Reddick and he will slump. He has yet to prove that he can make the necessary adjustments to ML pitchers once they find ways to get him out. I'm not willing to take the chance that he will make that adjustment quickly.[/quote']

 

You seem to love the idea of Beltran. But I'd much rather go in house than give up good prospects to acquire a 2 month rental at a position that can be filled with a player who's doing really well.

[Palodios]

I'm sure plenty of people are going to disagree with me on this but between Drew' date=' Reddick and Navarro the Red Sox should be able to piece together league average production in right field. And considering we lead the majors in runs and OPS, I think we have more pressing issues.[/quote']

 

What is a more pressing spot to replace than the one that the Red Sox trail the AL in production?

 

RF is the second most offensive position in the majors, and the Sox have gotten nothing from it. And what makes the Beltran situation more severe-- the Phillies are very weak there as well, so it makes a lot of sense to snag him before they do.

 

SS/C are giving average to above average league production.

 

As far as the bullpen, look at the numbers for Albers/Bard/Aceves/Papelbon, then take a look at Wheeler's numbers since coming off the DL.

[a700hitter]

You seem to love the idea of Beltran. But I'd much rather go in house than give up good prospects to acquire a 2 month rental at a position that can be filled with a player who's doing really well.

You must have missed my 1,000 other posts about how Beltran will cost $ not prospects. If the Sox pick up the whole salary, they will be able to include prospects who have no prospects.

[Thunder]

Beltran says he'll accept a trade to a contender. Do you think the Mets will take Drew?

[a700hitter]

Beltran says he'll accept a trade to a contender. Do you think the Mets will take Drew?

If the Sox eat his salary... maybe, but I doubt it.

[a700hitter]

I am concerned with Buchholz's lingering back issue.

[boston22407]

I am concerned with Buchholz's lingering back issue.

 

Me too, Any new info on it?