2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[redsoxbeatz]

Red Sox have NO payroll? Preposterous. Surely there is money around. I mean, we can always just print more like the US does, right? I can't imagine adding Reyes b/c we [obviously] spent [most] of our money on Gonzalez & CC. However, there is surely money laying around to grab someone. Honestly, we could probably survive with Scutaro/Lowrie at SS and if Theo WAKES UP (I don't know WTF is going on) he'll put Reddick out there in RF. The bullpen needs some solid people. That guy Roberston (I think, he has an avg 2k/ip & 1.19 ERA) is amazing on the Yanks. We need someone like him. Wheeler & Jenks need to learn to hit the strike zone again...

 

Next season we can assassinate Dice-K in Japan at take him off the payroll and drop JDrew like Israel drops bombs on Palestine. That should free up money. It's funny I feel more excited for the off season right now. I'm worried about this team. But, everything changes after the All-Star break. So, ANYTHING could happen. I still think we can win the division. However, Bombers are crushing the ball right now. It is because of all this interleague ******** we feel worried or concerned about our Sox!

[Will617]

On another note' date=' I'm surprised no one has mentioned Raphael Furcal yet.[/quote']

 

Mostly because Rafael Furcal's not very good. Not an upgrade over Scutarowrie.

If the Sox really want to, they can up payroll for the deadline. But I don't think they're going to make any major moves. Probably get a RHH platoon-type player for RF (like what they did with LaRoche a few years ago) or a bullpen arm, though the former's a lot more likely than the latter.

[Dojji]

They really need to go after some kind of shortstop. Lowrie's done for the year and Scutaro's playing hurt. It doesn't have to be more than a John McDonald type but we need a guy who can play shortstop defensively.

 

I wonder how Yamaico Navarro's doing. But it seems like the team is developing his versatility, which doesn't say a lot about their perception of his skill at SS. He might not be an answer. And promoting Iglesias is right out, since we really need to try to draw his bat out before promoting him. If either Iglesias or a scrub would hit like a scrub at the big league level, acquire a scrub. So we're probably going outside the org on this one.

[Dojji]

I wouldn't mind taking a buy-low flier on Ian Desmond. If he hits he's in the mix next year, if he doesn't he got us through this one. If the price is right it's hard to lose a trade like that.

[Will617]

Lowrie's done for the year

 

What? I have heard nothing that even hints at something like this. No surgery, bruised nerve in the left shoulder, it sounds like it might take awhile but nothing close to being done for the year...

[Dojji]

No surgery? I'd heard he was getting that sucker repaired. Well if he's fine, that changes everything, but I'd still look for a proper shortstop, and use both Lowrie and Scutaro as utility guys.

[Palodios]

I'm still liking the idea of Lowrie in RF.

[Dojji]

Once we get Crawford back, we won't be able to try things like that, and I think we get CC back before we get Jed.

[Palodios]

What does Crawford have to do with RF?

[Dojji]

Because either Drew or Reddick is playing in RF when Crawford gets back. They have a pretty good outfielder to back it up with, even if they clear Cameron and McD they're going to bring in another RHH OF before playing an oft-injured player out of position. That's the sort of thing you do with a whole offseason to work up to it, ESPECIALLY for a guy like Lowrie.

 

If you want a switch hitting corner outfielder, call up Nava or make a trade for Melky. Don't play a guy who already has a fair sized injury history out of position.

[Palodios]

I'm not talking about Lowrie as a switch-hitter. I'm talking about him as a RHH. And you're saying Nava is going to play better defense than Lowrie? Come on now.

[Dojji]

In right field? A position Lowrie has never played? Come on yourself.

[Palodios]

Nava is a terrible OF. He made Jeremy Hermida look good last year, and that is saying something. Atleast Lowrie has the skills for the position.

[RedSox_Ruszkowski]

come on yourself...... lol.... about peed myself...

[Dojji]

Then make a move for a guy like Melky Cabrera. But don't play a guy out of position until he's had an offseason to learn it when you already have a running issue about the guy getting hurt.

[a700hitter]

Nava is a bush leaguer, not a major leaguer. He was very fortunate to get to the majors for a brief but very memorable moment.

[Palodios]

What's the worst thing that can happen?

 

He'll get hurt? I used to be this guy's biggest fan, but right now I'm worried about him tweaking his back while bending down to tie his shoes.

 

He'll play badly defensively? He's been doing that at SS already. Atleast we'd be putting a bat into the outfield that can actually hit LHP.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Anyone know exactly how close the Sox are to the luxury tax? I don't see them going over but I really wish they would. This team can win now if they make the necessary acquisitions.

[Palodios]

Anyone know exactly how close the Sox are to the luxury tax? I don't see them going over but I really wish they would. This team can win now if they make the necessary acquisitions.

 

Cots contracts has them at 162, and the luxury tax is 178. There is probably a few million on top of what Cots has, so I'm thinking they have 5-10 million to the cap.

[a700hitter]

Cots contracts has them at 162' date=' and the luxury tax is 178. There is probably a few million on top of what Cots has, so I'm thinking they have 5-10 million to the cap.[/quote']Enough room for Beltran +

[SoxSport]

Ignore Gammons. It's not his money, nor his decision. He's a damn pundit.

[Palodios]

Ignore Gammons. It's not his money' date=' nor his decision. He's a damn pundit.[/quote']

 

If we believed everything Gammons had to say, John Lackey looked pretty solid for someone who needs Tommy John surgery:rolleyes:

[a700hitter]

Today's update in the Globe about Lowrie is that he will definitely not be back before the All Star Break and possibly well after the break. He has nerve damage in his shoulder- not a fast healing injury. I had been hoping that Lowrie would stay healthy this year, prove himself to be reliable and win the starting job during the season. He won the starting job early on, but he continues to be frail and unreliable. He's not the answer at SS, neither is Scutaro who was just a stop gap. Iglesias is no guarantee, and Sutton is certainly not the answer. The answer is Jose Reyes. Theo needs to get the answer.

[example1]

Today's update in the Globe about Lowrie is that he will definitely not be back before the All Star Break and possibly well after the break. He has nerve damage in his shoulder- not a fast healing injury. I had been hoping that Lowrie would stay healthy this year' date=' prove himself to be reliable and win the starting job during the season. He won the starting job early on, but he continues to be frail and unreliable. He's not the answer at SS, neither is Scutaro who was just a stop gap. Iglesias is no guarantee, and Sutton is certainly not the answer. The answer is Jose Reyes. Theo needs to get the answer.[/quote']

 

That would be quite an answer. I don't think they have the pieces to get that move done, do you?

 

Of course, when you're talking about the Mets conventional wisdom doesn't apply. Josh Reddick, Lars Anderson and Stolmy Pimentel might get it done, even though there's not a sure fire player among the bunch. Any way the Sox can find Victor Zambrano and include him in the deal?

[Palodios]

Today's update in the Globe about Lowrie is that he will definitely not be back before the All Star Break and possibly well after the break. He has nerve damage in his shoulder- not a fast healing injury. I had been hoping that Lowrie would stay healthy this year' date=' prove himself to be reliable and win the starting job during the season. He won the starting job early on, but he continues to be frail and unreliable. He's not the answer at SS, neither is Scutaro who was just a stop gap. Iglesias is no guarantee, and Sutton is certainly not the answer. The answer is Jose Reyes. Theo needs to get the answer.[/quote']

 

Its a real shame how the SS situation has turned out this year. It seemed like we had two very good options moving forward in Lowrie and Iggy, but now it is starting to look like neither will turn into starting major league shortstops. So, we're back to the revolving door at SS.

 

I'm not ready to give up on Scutaro quite yet, but I am starting to agree with you, that this team really should start considering a more long term answer at SS, but I do not see them making a Gonzo-type trade that costs three top prospects.

[SoxSport]

Today's update in the Globe about Lowrie is that he will definitely not be back before the All Star Break and possibly well after the break. He has nerve damage in his shoulder- not a fast healing injury. I had been hoping that Lowrie would stay healthy this year' date=' prove himself to be reliable and win the starting job during the season. He won the starting job early on, but he continues to be frail and unreliable. He's not the answer at SS, neither is Scutaro who was just a stop gap. Iglesias is no guarantee, and Sutton is certainly not the answer. The answer is Jose Reyes. Theo needs to get the answer.[/quote']

 

Epstein has to milk the Mets. They need to unload salary and probably aren't anxious to help their competitors in NY. Besides, the Yankees have different needs right now than the Red Sox. They can't feel very secure about their pitching.

 

In terms of need, Beltran fits more than Reyes, though Reyes is having an MVP season and is in his prime. If you can get Reyes (or Hanley Ramirez) for Iglesias and other pieces, you do it. Either way, they badly need another RHd bat in that lineup.

 

If you can get Beltran for Cameron and a mid level prospect, you do that. But Cameron to me looks overweight and cooked. Plus the Mets don't want salary.

 

As a footnote, I think it's time to give up on Lowrie.He simply can't stay healthy for a full season. Some players are like that.

Get value for him while you can--if you can.

[a700hitter]

Epstein has to milk the Mets. They need to unload salary and probably aren't anxious to help their competitors in NY. Besides, the Yankees have different needs right now than the Red Sox. They can't feel very secure about their pitching.

 

In terms of need, Beltran fits more than Reyes, though Reyes is having an MVP season and is in his prime. If you can get Reyes (or Hanley Ramirez) for Iglesias and other pieces, you do it. Either way, they badly need another RHd bat in that lineup.

 

If you can get Beltran for Cameron and a mid level prospect, you do that. But Cameron to me looks overweight and cooked. Plus the Mets don't want salary.

 

As a footnote, I think it's time to give up on Lowrie.He simply can't stay healthy for a full season. Some players are like that.

Get value for him while you can--if you can.

The Mets will not take salary in return, so they will have no interest in Cameron. No one will. He's lost money. I think the Sox could pull off a deal for Reyes pretty cheaply from a prospect perspective if they would also agree to take Beltran and his salary. It would gut the Mets lineup, so it would be better if the Mets were on a losing streak at the trading deadline. If they are playing well, moving such players would be crushing to the fans.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Cots contracts has them at 162' date=' and the luxury tax is 178. There is probably a few million on top of what Cots has, so I'm thinking they have 5-10 million to the cap.[/quote']

 

Cots calculates by payroll. Luxury tax is calculated at average annual value of the contract. The payroll this year is less than the AAV.

[yankees228]

Today's update in the Globe about Lowrie is that he will definitely not be back before the All Star Break and possibly well after the break. He has nerve damage in his shoulder- not a fast healing injury. I had been hoping that Lowrie would stay healthy this year' date=' prove himself to be reliable and win the starting job during the season. He won the starting job early on, but he continues to be frail and unreliable. He's not the answer at SS, neither is Scutaro who was just a stop gap. Iglesias is no guarantee, and Sutton is certainly not the answer. The answer is Jose Reyes. Theo needs to get the answer.[/quote']

 

Even if the Mets sell (which, right now, is hardly a guarantee), I really don't think they're going to trade Reyes. It would be an absolute PR nightmare.

[a700hitter]

Even if the Mets sell (which' date=' right now, is hardly a guarantee), I really don't think they're going to trade Reyes. It would be an absolute PR nightmare.[/quote']Wilpon needs $200 million in 2 years or he loses control of the team. PR is irrelevant unless it would translate into less revenue. Wilpon doesn't care if talk radio bashes him as long as attendance holds.