2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[Palodios]

I was curious who is on the 40 man roster, and it looks like there are 25 active, 4 on the DL, and these 11.

 

Bowden, Doubront, Hottovy, Atchison, Pimental, Tazawa, Exposito, Iglesias, Anderson, Oscar Tejada, Kalish

 

I don't see Theo "selling low" on players underperforming or recently injured. So that leaves Navarro Bowden, Reddick, Hottovy, Exposito, Tejada, and Anderson. Reddick is the only blue chip in the pile.

[a700hitter]

Theo, don't be stupid about this. You have a huge hole in RF. There is no indication that Drew will emerge from his season long funk. Redduck is a kid, who is prone to rookie mistakes and slumps. Get the checkbook go to NY and give Wilpon $6 milliion today. The sooner you do this the more you will get for your money. If you are going to be a fool about this and you lose him to another team because you are quibbling over $2-3 million, I am not interested in hearing any lame ass excuses. Take longer if you are working on getting Reyes and Beltran, but make sure that youi lock down the Beltran acquisition early in the discussion so we still get him if the Reyes portion of the negotiation falls through. You know where to reach me if you want to discuss.

[SoxSport]

If it's a matter of $6 million, Theo has pissed a lot more money away... a lot more. I doubt getting Beltran will come down to $6 million. He's a lot stingier giving up prospects. More of a hangup there.

 

I see Clemens got off on a technicality. Legally, that is. He's guilty with the sportswriters. HOF dead.

Watch the Yankees now try to lure Pettite out of retirement.

[Interestedobserver]

I doubt Reyes is available at this point. They’d face a fan revolt if they moved him. Beltran is. Theo contacting Sandy, but only because he’s doing “due diligence” is GM speak for we want him. “But we’re not worried because we think we can fix this from within” means, we have a big problem and we know it. As for quibbling over $2-3 million, that’s what GM’s do. Sandy wants real talent back, and the Giants seem to need him bad. It sounds like Sandy is more interested in quality prospects than money. So from this point it’s all quibbling, and swapping lies. Come July 28th, they start talking for real.

[SoxSport]

I doubt Reyes is available at this point. They’d face a fan revolt if they moved him. Beltran is. Theo contacting Sandy' date=' but only because he’s doing “due diligence” is GM speak for we want him. “But we’re not worried because we think we can fix this from within” means, we have a big problem and we know it. As for quibbling over $2-3 million, that’s what GM’s do. Sandy wants real talent back, and the Giants seem to need him bad. It sounds like Sandy is more interested in quality prospects than money. So from this point it’s all quibbling, and swapping lies. Come July 28th, they start talking for real.[/quote']

 

Agreed Theo's quotes sound like Sandy wants a prospect. Beltran will go to the team that gives Sandy the best prospect package. That's pretty clear.

What about Bay? I guess his contract is way too rich. The Mets are stuck with him.

[Interestedobserver]

Bay? Do you mean is he available? I would think Sandy would drive the limo to the airport or to Fenway if that's what Theo wanted.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I was curious who is on the 40 man roster, and it looks like there are 25 active, 4 on the DL, and these 11.

 

Bowden, Doubront, Hottovy, Atchison, Pimental, Tazawa, Exposito, Iglesias, Anderson, Oscar Tejada, Kalish

 

I don't see Theo "selling low" on players underperforming or recently injured. So that leaves Navarro Bowden, Reddick, Hottovy, Exposito, Tejada, and Anderson. Reddick is the only blue chip in the pile.

 

Good lookin out. Thanks for narrowing down the trade chips, I didn't know who was on the 40 man either.

 

Well, none of those names are really overwhelming with talent other than Kalish and Doubront. Pimental just got demoted back to Salem. Bowden's got a 3.11 ERA in AAA, and he threw 7 innings, 1 ER in the MLB this year.

 

Regardless, I don't see any of those players getting us an "impact player" as stated in the article.

[Dojji]

Why are you restricting it to the 40-man? The Mets are a possible place you could deal a guy like Lavarnway and get them to buy the idea that he's a catcher. They don't have a great 1Bman at the moment so they can afford to deal with the consequences if he turns out to be "just" a hitter that needs his glove hidden at 1B.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Agreed Theo's quotes sound like Sandy wants a prospect. Beltran will go to the team that gives Sandy the best prospect package. That's pretty clear.

What about Bay? I guess his contract is way too rich. The Mets are stuck with him.

 

Bay is a pretty curious option. We could probably get him for fairly cheap, something like Reddick + Bowden + take on 60% of his remaining salary. The guy mashed at Fenway, and with this line up, he could be beastly again.

 

If we picked him up on July 31, that would leave a total of $54.33 over 2 months this year, and 3 years following. If the Sox picked up 60 - 70% of Bay's salary, they could have him at a total cost of $32.6 - $38mm over 3.33 years. It would definitely be a gamble. Stick Bay in LF, put Crawford in RF where his defense becomes better utilized.

 

It's worth at least looking into.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why are you restricting it to the 40-man? The Mets are a possible place you could deal a guy like Lavarnway and get them to buy the idea that he's a catcher. They don't have a great 1Bman at the moment so they can afford to deal with the consequences if he turns out to be "just" a hitter that needs his glove hidden at 1B.

 

Did you not read the comments on the last page? There was an article in the Providence Journal stating that the Sox are logjammed on the 40 man roster and need to make room, and now is a great time to unload a couple names on the 40 man in a trade.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lavarnway may be a pretty piece to deal in a trade, though. 21 HR and a .932 OPS in the MILB this year, including 7 HR and a 1.058 OPS in 27 games at AAA. The Dodgers could use a 1B.

 

Lavarnway + Reddick + Doubront + PTBNL for Ethier. Make it happen.

[AtWork]

As for the 40 man, I would argue that Navarro's also a blue chip. As for the Mets, I find it unlikely that they will be giving away Beltran for cash or trading Reyes at all. The best way for Wilpon to make the $200 million back is to keep fans in the stands. He can't just sell the team or the fans will stop showing up and his revenue will suffer. I bet he'll trade Beltran and some cash for a blue chip prospect and attempt to sign Reyes to an extension.

[Will617]

Why are you restricting it to the 40-man? The Mets are a possible place you could deal a guy like Lavarnway and get them to buy the idea that he's a catcher. They don't have a great 1Bman at the moment so they can afford to deal with the consequences if he turns out to be "just" a hitter that needs his glove hidden at 1B.

 

Umm, Ike Davis is pretty good 1B...if Lavarnaway turns out as good as Ike (hitting-wise), I think the Sox would be plenty happy with that.

[Palodios]

Lavarnway may be a pretty piece to deal in a trade, though. 21 HR and a .932 OPS in the MILB this year, including 7 HR and a 1.058 OPS in 27 games at AAA. The Dodgers could use a 1B.

 

Lavarnway + Reddick + Doubront + PTBNL for Ethier. Make it happen.

 

I'm still on the fence about Ethier. Based on his advanced stats, he just seems incredibly overrated. Not so great defense, plus he is yet another LHH OF-- we have a ton of those already-- and will cost significant money to hold onto. I'd argue that Lavarnway is this team's best prospect right now, and I'd struggle with adding him to any deal.

[Dojji]

If I have to deal Reddick+ for Beltran or Ethier, and can get away with a much smaller price for Melky Cabrera, I look hard at Melky. I imagine the Royals wouldn't object to moving him with Lorenzo Cain in the wings. In fact it might be very important for Cain's development that they do so. So you might be able to get away with a good deal there.

 

All we really need is a guy who plays McDonald's role better than McDonald plays it. Melky can do that. And if you had to pay more than a project with upside (say, Che-Hsuan Lin or Chih-Hsian Chiang) to bring him in, under the circumstances I'd be rather surprised.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm still on the fence about Ethier. Based on his advanced stats' date=' he just seems incredibly overrated. Not so great defense, plus he is yet another LHH OF-- we have a ton of those already-- and will cost significant money to hold onto. I'd argue that Lavarnway is this team's best prospect right now, and I'd struggle with adding him to any deal.[/quote']

 

I'll admit, I have a pretty big man crush on Ethier. I've always followed him, and ever since the first half of the 2010 season, I've been praying that the Sox can find a way to get him. He was a monster until that injury set him back. He does have bad splits vs LHP, though, which is a concern. I'd rather have Kemp, for sure, but no chance of that happening.

[Interestedobserver]

Melky is baseball's version of outfield malpractice.

[Palodios]

Now here is a crazy idea. What about Ichiro?

 

At 38 years olds and on a down year, on a team going nowhere, the Mariners have to be looking at him, and wondering if he's still worth the money they're paying him. Take him out of that pitcher's park, add more protection, and we might see more of the pre-2011 Ichiro. Not only that, but could you imagine an outfield of Crawford, Ellsbury, Ichiro?

[FredLynn]

Very, very interesting. I wonder if this is really a thought process from Theo, and if he would be more willing to make a move now or during the offseason. I don't want to drain the farm, but at the same time if we're overstocked, it would be a perfect time to unload some prospects for an impact RF like Beltran, although I wouldn't touch anything that resembles a high level prospect in that deal.

 

I'm still not sold on the fact that the Dodgers aren't at least listening on Ethier. If the Sox can give them a deal they want, I think they would deal him.

 

I can't see Epstein trading away any top level prospects because our farm system is now ranked average to below average as the four links below illustrate. Its time to rebuild that system, not rape it.

 

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/10/2011-farm-system-rankings/

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-talent-rankings/2011/2611472.html

 

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=2336

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/561480-mlb-power-rankings-farm-systems-for-every-mlb-team#/articles/561480-mlb-power-rankings-farm-systems-for-every-mlb-team/page/12

[Palodios]

I can't see Epstein trading away any top level prospects because our farm system is now ranked average to below average as the four links below illustrate. Its time to rebuild that system' date=' not rape it.[/quote']

 

There is a very big difference between trading high-level prospects and trading top prospects. One group will contribute to a club almost immediately, while the other group has the talent to excel at a club in the longterm. This team can afford to trade the filler, but it cannot afford to trade the guys with significant potential. High level players not on the 40 man roster cannot be protected past a certain point, and trading the filler to protect some of them could be a good idea.

[ORS]

Now here is a crazy idea. What about Ichiro?

 

At 38 years olds and on a down year, on a team going nowhere, the Mariners have to be looking at him, and wondering if he's still worth the money they're paying him. Take him out of that pitcher's park, add more protection, and we might see more of the pre-2011 Ichiro. Not only that, but could you imagine an outfield of Crawford, Ellsbury, Ichiro?

I can see it now, the "speed at the top" guys will be s***ing themselves if the lineup isn't...

 

Ellsbury

Ichiro

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzo

Youk

Papi

Scutaro

Salty

[FredLynn]

There is a very big difference between trading high-level prospects and trading top prospects. One group will contribute to a club almost immediately' date=' while the other group has the talent to excel at a club in the longterm. This team can afford to trade the filler, but it cannot afford to trade the guys with significant potential. High level players not on the 40 man roster cannot be protected past a certain point, and trading the filler to protect some of them could be a good idea.[/quote']

 

If I am understanding what you are saying, you are proposing trading guys who are really do not have as much potential to make the ML club in an impact kind of way-but that we keep the "top prospects" for ourselves. Why would a trading partner trade away a Beltran or a Willingham or another impact RHH corner OF for a minor league player with little potential to make a difference in your club? I doubt the Red Sox are going to want to take on a lot more salary as they aren't really interested in going too far over the luxury tax threshhold, so other clubs aren't going to be able to make a move involving us whose primary goal is to dump salary.

Willingham is cheap, and the A's are not happy with him. I think he should be a target.

[Palodios]

If I am understanding what you are saying, you are proposing trading guys who are really do not have as much potential to make the ML club in an impact kind of way-but that we keep the "top prospects" for ourselves. Why would a trading partner trade away a Beltran or a Willingham or another impact RHH corner OF for a minor league player with little potential to make a difference in your club? I doubt the Red Sox are going to want to take on a lot more salary as they aren't really interested in going too far over the luxury tax threshhold, so other clubs aren't going to be able to make a move involving us whose primary goal is to dump salary.

Willingham is cheap, and the A's are not happy with him. I think he should be a target.

 

Some teams simply need more average players to replace below average players. And you never know with rookies, sometimes they turn into something better than expected.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I can see it now, the "speed at the top" guys will be s***ing themselves if the lineup isn't...

 

Ellsbury

Ichiro

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzo

Youk

Papi

Scutaro

Salty

 

Dude come on. That's L-L-L at the top. :harhar:

 

Seriously though. If you want everyone else to drop it, then stop instigating it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If I am understanding what you are saying' date=' you are proposing trading guys who are really do not have as much potential to make the ML club in an impact kind of way-but that we keep the "top prospects" for ourselves. [b']Why would a trading partner trade away a Beltran[/b] or a Willingham or another impact RHH corner OF for a minor league player with little potential to make a difference in your club? I doubt the Red Sox are going to want to take on a lot more salary as they aren't really interested in going too far over the luxury tax threshhold, so other clubs aren't going to be able to make a move involving us whose primary goal is to dump salary.

Willingham is cheap, and the A's are not happy with him. I think he should be a target.

 

Because that's the ONLY way that the Mets are going to receive anything other than a "thank you" card when Beltran leaves. He cannot be offered arbitration. If the Mets don't want to sell, fine, they can keep him, but they're sure as hell not going to receive anything more than a mid-level prospect for 2 months of Beltran and no supplemental pick.

[Palodios]

Dude come on. That's L-L-L at the top. :harhar:

 

Seriously though. If you want everyone else to drop it, then stop instigating it.

 

In all fairness, Ichiro has 99% identical stats versus left and right handed pitchers over his career. Seriously, look at them, they're unreal.

 

Edit: Yep, look who is drooling over a fantasy lineup now.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I didn't realize his OBP was so low this year. Age is finally catching up to him. Sad day. But you're right, he's got great splits.

[snydersminipretzels]

Yeah, drool over his .634 OPS. He's washed up, and the name would probably require us to trade a top prospect. No thanks.

[Palodios]

Yeah' date=' drool over his .634 OPS. He's washed up, and the name would probably require us to trade a top prospect. No thanks.[/quote']

 

This is a guy playing at a pitcher's paradise, with as much protection as a plastic bag with holes punched through it. He's old. He'll cost money, and atleast Reddick plus another top prospect. But if they made the trade and he sucked, would it really be something you could look at with regret?

[AtWork]

Sox, Braves, Phillies would love Beltran but with the quality of teams they have it may make more sense to go after a "second-tier" bat instead of trading an elite prospect for Beltran.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=6771754&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fblog%3fname%3dolney_buster%26id%3d6771754

 

Jeff Baker would make a lot of sense. He can play 1st, 2nd, 3rd, LF and RF he's under contract for arbitration prices through 2012 and he's hitting .375/.392/.528 against lefties.