2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[noahstheman]

Re: Jimenez.

 

I don't want NYY to get him, but if they came off that package (Montero, Nova and the 2 B's) I'd be thrilled.

 

Absolutely no way they give all that up though. They'll go in another direction before ever doing that.

[SoxSport]

Would you take Coco Crisp back?

 

Switch hitting, better against lefties, plays well defensively, puts up some decent at bats. I know he wouldn't be the sexy pick since people want power hitters, but as a 4th OF Crisp is a pretty fair fit. The worst of it is that you might see Ellsbury in right. Which isn't such a big deal this year since he has the bat to carry himself in right field this year.

 

I think they want more power on the RH side. They have enough speed.

Crisp might be an Ellsbury replacement, if they don't re-sign him. Ells is a Bora$$ client.

More likely, Crawford or Kalish would shift to CF.

[SoxSport]

Re: Jimenez.

 

I don't want NYY to get him, but if they came off that package (Montero, Nova and the 2 B's) I'd be thrilled.

 

Absolutely no way they give all that up though. They'll go in another direction before ever doing that.

 

That young Mexican lefty looked good in ST.

[AtWork]

I wouldn't trade for Reyes. He's a guy who had an OPS+ of 101 and 102 and injury concnerns the last two years, and this year his BABIP is .065 points above where it should be with his line drive rates. He's probably due for some regression and I don't want to give up a big package of prospects for someone who's lighting the world on fire now but it likely to be slightly above average offensively and defensively over the next few years.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'll say it now. We got Marco Scutaro hitting .258 in the MLB right now and his defense has not made up for the lack of offense. We got Jose Iglesias playing in AAA right now hitting .227, but his defense is beyond brilliant. If this team goes out and gets Carlos Beltran, they need to call up Iglesias, hide his bat in that line up, and let him play defense and save some runs. Look at how many runs Pedroia saves every single game. Wouldn't you rather have that plus some at SS, even if it did mean you had a SS who was hitting .230? For the record, Chili Davis, the hitting coach in Pawtucket, has said that Iglesias is making big improvements on his swing, which is why I'm saying .230. I would much rather have a defensive wizard at SS that hit .230 than a borderline defensive liability at SS that hits .258.

 

Getting Beltran enables this line up to hide Iggy's bat, and improves this team significantly on the defensive side.

[redsoxbeatz]

I'll say it now. We got Marco Scutaro hitting .258 in the MLB right now and his defense has not made up for the lack of offense. We got Jose Iglesias playing in AAA right now hitting .227, but his defense is beyond brilliant. If this team goes out and gets Carlos Beltran, they need to call up Iglesias, hide his bat in that line up, and let him play defense and save some runs. Look at how many runs Pedroia saves every single game. Wouldn't you rather have that plus some at SS, even if it did mean you had a SS who was hitting .230? For the record, Chili Davis, the hitting coach in Pawtucket, has said that Iglesias is making big improvements on his swing, which is why I'm saying .230. I would much rather have a defensive wizard at SS that hit .230 than a borderline defensive liability at SS that hits .258.

 

Getting Beltran enables this line up to hide Iggy's bat, and improves this team significantly on the defensive side.

 

Could Not Agree More.

[Palodios]

Getting Beltran enables this line up to hide Iggy's bat' date=' and improves this team significantly on the defensive side.[/quote']

 

I have definitely warmed up to Iggy after seeing the kind of defense we've gotten behind the rest of the organization's SSs. That being said, I don't think bringing in a guy who is a 200 hitter at AAA is the right idea, atleast until he gets hit bat together.

[Interestedobserver]

Reyes is not on the market. The Mets would have a fan revolt. He either resigns with them, or he leaves, but he won't be traded.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I have definitely warmed up to Iggy after seeing the kind of defense we've gotten behind the rest of the organization's SSs. That being said' date=' I don't think bringing in a guy who is a 200 hitter at AAA is the right idea, atleast until he gets hit bat together.[/quote']

 

Ideally, no, you wouldn't want to bring him up yet, but when you're getting practically zero offensive production from your current SS (Scutaro is hitting .194 with a .624 OPS in his last 70 PA), maybe you just say "Alright, we're sacrificing offensive production because the defensive upgrade is so significant". I mean, if this is your LF or RF, maybe your 1B, you don't do it because those aren't significant defensive positions. But this is your SS. The defensive production out of your SS should outweigh the offensive production of your SS. Right now, maybe we can't cover it up. But we get Beltran, and all of a sudden this offense gets a lot better.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that the offensive upgrade of Beltran over JD Drew is much more substantial than the offensive dropoff that you have at SS. And your defense becomes much better.

[iortiz]

We should focus on this -->

 

Starting Pitcher Trade Candidates By SIERA

By Tim Dierkes [July 18 at 11:41am CST]

SIERA is an estimator of what a pitcher's ERA would be with average luck, defense, and park, by looking at other pitchers with similar strikeouts, walks, and ground ball rates in recent seasons. The stat goes a step further than similar estimators by accounting for the batting average on balls in play and home run per flyball rates of similar pitchers. Here's your trade candidate SIERA leaderboard from FanGraphs, which now carries an improved version of the stat:

 

Anibal Sanchez - 3.07

Rich Harden - 3.20 (18 innings)

Erik Bedard - 3.23

Derek Lowe - 3.52

Brandon McCarthy - 3.58

Wandy Rodriguez - 3.60

Ricky Nolasco - 3.60

Chris Capuano - 3.61

Edwin Jackson - 3.62

Ubaldo Jimenez - 3.64

Hiroki Kuroda - 3.68

Tom Gorzelanny - 3.70

Ted Lilly - 3.79

Jeff Niemann - 3.92

Brett Myers - 3.94

John Danks - 4.05

Aaron Harang - 4.05

Jason Marquis - 4.08

Livan Hernandez - 4.20

Javier Vazquez - 4.26

Jeff Francis - 4.26

Jeremy Guthrie - 4.27

Bruce Chen - 4.58

Kyle Davies - 4.61

Aaron Cook - 4.66 (38 2/3 innings)

There is a subjective element in choosing trade candidates - for example, it was my choice to leave off James Shields and include McCarthy. For the most part I tried to be inclusive, including players like Sanchez, Nolasco, and Jimenez even though they are unlikely to be dealt.

[Palodios]

I understand what you're saying. But I really hate to see guys brought up too early. If he's the team's future at SS, I'd rather let him figure it out before bringing him up to the big stage and potentially set him back months of development.

[Dojji]

Ideally, no, you wouldn't want to bring him up yet, but when you're getting practically zero offensive production from your current SS (Scutaro is hitting .194 with a .624 OPS in his last 70 PA), maybe you just say "Alright, we're sacrificing offensive production because the defensive upgrade is so significant". I mean, if this is your LF or RF, maybe your 1B, you don't do it because those aren't significant defensive positions. But this is your SS. The defensive production out of your SS should outweigh the offensive production of your SS. Right now, maybe we can't cover it up. But we get Beltran, and all of a sudden this offense gets a lot better.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that the offensive upgrade of Beltran over JD Drew is much more substantial than the offensive dropoff that you have at SS. And your defense becomes much better.

We have an alternative.

 

Try Yamaico Navarro at short. He can play there. He has a pretty solid arm. He's hit a little. What is there to lose?

[SoxFanForsyth]

We have an alternative.

 

Try Yamaico Navarro at short. He can play there. He has a pretty solid arm. He's hit a little. What is there to lose?

 

Yeah, I'm ok with that. If Navarro gets some AB's and can hit .290-.300, I can take the below average defense. But if we're going to get a .250-.260 hitter, I'd rather have the defense with a little less offense.

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Would you take Coco Crisp back?

 

Switch hitting, better against lefties, plays well defensively, puts up some decent at bats. I know he wouldn't be the sexy pick since people want power hitters, but as a 4th OF Crisp is a pretty fair fit. The worst of it is that you might see Ellsbury in right. Which isn't such a big deal this year since he has the bat to carry himself in right field this year.

 

Yes I would.

[boston22407]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Rays, Nationals and Red Sox have called the Cardinals inquiring about the availability of Colby Rasmus.

And why wouldn't they? While Rasmus has been a disappointment this season, he is only 24 years old and under team control through 2014. However, Cards GM John Mozeliak says he's "not shopping" his young center fielder and that a deal is "highly unlikely."

[boston22407]

According to MLB Network's Peter Gammons, the Yankees were informed that Hiroki Kuroda would prefer not to be traded to the East Coast.

That's important because Kuroda has a full no-trade clause. The Dodgers righty has a 3.13 ERA and 1.20 WHIP through his first 120 2/3 innings this season.

[boston22407]

Orioles signed SS J.J. Hardy to a three-year, $22.25 million contract extension

 

Guy was going to maybe be traded that's why i am posting

[d-money]

Could Francisco Liriano still be traded?

[boston22407]

I am not too big on him he is so Up and Down

[boston22407]

A source tells Adam Rubin of ESPN New York that the Mets are willing to cover Carlos Beltran's remaining salary in a potential trade.

The motivation is simple. The Mets are hoping that by covering the nearly $6 million left on Beltran's contract, they will be able to acquire a top prospect or two in return. We already know that multiple teams are interested, but this reported stance could expand the field to smaller market teams such as the Pirates and Guardians.

[d-money]

Thats all great but Beltran is 34 years old.I would have doned this move if Beltran was 27 or 28

[AtWork]

Anyone else find it curious that Okajima is still in the minors even though he has a 1.57 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, nearly a strikeout an inning and a K/BB of 14 at AAA?

[SoxSport]

Most of the mediatradetalk, as usual, is about the Yankees. Heyman sounds like he's trying to broker a deal for Jiminez all by himself.

[SoxSport]

Thats all great but Beltran is 34 years old.I would have doned this move if Beltran was 27 or 28

 

Yeah. Beltran isn't worth a good prospect. Most teams know that. The Mets won't get much.

[SoxSport]

Anyone else find it curious that Okajima is still in the minors even though he has a 1.57 ERA' date=' 0.78 WHIP, nearly a strikeout an inning and a K/BB of 14 at AAA?[/quote']

 

belongs in the Boston bullpen. He'll get there when they give up on Miller, or deal him. Or make Jenks disappear.

they'll be some deals soon.

[BornToRun]

Oki requested that he not be called up.

[SoxSport]

watch the Yankees get Wandy Rod.

[boston22407]

Guy is up and down too

[boston22407]

Aramis Ramirez cited his family as the primary reason why he will not approve a trade.

"It is my family consideration," said Ramirez, who has 10-and-5 rights. "If I was single and by myself, then I’d move anywhere and be in a hotel for the last two months. It’s too tough with my family. I earned the right to be in this position and it’s my decision." Ramirez's agent Paul Kinzer told Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com on Monday that his client may approve a deal in August once his family returns home to the Dominican Republic. However, Ramirez would likely want his would want his $16 million option waived if he is traded, so that he could become a free agent after the season. According to MLB Trade Rumors, Ramirez's option "technically becomes guaranteed" if he is traded.

[BornToRun]

You think we would have the pieces to make a run at Jimenez?