...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

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SHUT THE f*** UP IT ISN'T FUNNY OR RELEVANT ANYMORE.

Why don't you go jerk off to your 2004 and 2007 highlight videos and mind your f***ing business. Even more so than JHB, you're the biggest flamer here. Go jump off a bridge.

[TheKilo]

Why don't you go jerk off to your 2004 and 2007 highlight videos and mind your f***ing business. Even more so than JHB' date=' you're the biggest flamer here. Go jump off a bridge.[/quote']

 

Interesting juxtaposition of those sentences.

 

Maybe I should find a better way to deal with my deep-seeded Yankee jealousy, right?

 

And it's still not funny or relevant which was my main point. It's a public discussion board and I'm discussing your idiocy publicly. If you want things to be private, take it to PM.

[schillingouttheks]

Ok. This is really starting to get f***ing annoying. Gom, please keep any personal shots in the thread that is already flowing with them. Make your points, and be done with it. It really is starting to get ridiculous. I fail to see one instance where JHB has continued the flaming outside of Anything Goes when he's not responding to your provocations.

 

Please, for the love of GOD, keep it to yourself. I don't think it's too hard to just make your point and respond to his in a more respectful manner. You don't have to like him, but what you SHOULD do is debate respectfully. It's one thing to give a little and take a little, but you just seem to take it to the next level.

 

And 26, I don't mean to be a dick or anything, but Gom's better at flaming JHB than you are. Everyone CHILL OUT. God.

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Interesting juxtaposition of those sentences.

 

Maybe I should find a better way to deal with my deep-seeded Yankee jealousy, right?

 

And it's still not funny or relevant which was my main point.

Yeah and nobody cares about your point. I wasnt trying to be funny. I'm just sick of the ******** on this site lately, the constant back and forth. I'm tired of the cheating accusations (and the responses, don't get me wrong), and when JHB made a big stink over the Mora call last night all it did was annoy me further.

 

Bill (and everyone else who had a problem with it), are you aware that this offseason the rules committee gathered and changed the rule regarding the runner's right to advance to first on a dropped 3rd strike? The rule previously had been the runner could go all the way back towards his dugout, but as long as he didn't go inside the dugout he still possessed the right to advance. The rule now is that once a runner leaves the dirt circle around home plate and touches the grass/turf/whatever, which Mora did last night, that he lost the right to advance to first. Now with you guys complaining about that, your implying that the umpires are no good for doing their job and following the rules, and somehow tryign to make it out as if the Yankees caught a break, when in fact all that happened was the Umpires followed the RULES. Speaking of rules, aren't they those things JHB gets so worked up over here on Talksox? Funny how when rules arent followed to a T on a message board he throws a fit and runs and hides for a week, but when they are followed in a Baseball game he still catches a temper tantrum. Bill, get some help. Kilo, again buddy, go elsewhere with your ********.

[26 to 6]

Ok. This is really starting to get f***ing annoying. Gom, please keep any personal shots in the thread that is already flowing with them. Make your points, and be done with it. It really is starting to get ridiculous. I fail to see one instance where JHB has continued the flaming outside of Anything Goes when he's not responding to your provocations.

 

Please, for the love of GOD, keep it to yourself. I don't think it's too hard to just make your point and respond to his in a more respectful manner. You don't have to like him, but what you SHOULD do is debate respectfully. It's one thing to give a little and take a little, but you just seem to take it to the next level.

 

And 26, I don't mean to be a dick or anything, but Gom's better at flaming JHB than you are. Everyone CHILL OUT. God.

Well, I'm not quite trying to flame anyone. I'm just rather sick of how dumb this site has become. Seems like since all these new rules and policies were implemented this place has just gone down the drain. Remember back the past 3-4 years (since I've posted here at least, and we go back a little while) how much fun this place was. Not so much anymore. So if you want to flex your moderator muscle be my guest, but I didn't do anything wrong. If anything I support your cause.

[ORS]

Markakis, Rivera is consistently getting 4" on both sides all season, gotta swing there, buddy.

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Markakis' date=' Rivera is consistently getting 4" on both sides all season, gotta swing there, buddy.[/quote']

What did I tell you, we have the umpires on payroll.

[yankees228]

Not that anyone seems to care about it anymore, but this was a big win for the Yankees today. They needed nothing short of a sweep this weekend and they got it. Now they have some chance to make up some ground against Boston this week.

[schillingouttheks]

What did I tell you' date=' we have the umpires on payroll.[/quote']

 

Example #1 of continuing bull s*** where it doesn't need to be.

 

ORS was not referring to Rivera getting the calls because he's on the Yankees. He was saying that those types of pitches are being called strikes, so he needs to swing. There's a bit of a difference.

[yankees228]

Yeah and nobody cares about your point. I wasnt trying to be funny. I'm just sick of the ******** on this site lately, the constant back and forth. I'm tired of the cheating accusations (and the responses, don't get me wrong), and when JHB made a big stink over the Mora call last night all it did was annoy me further.

 

Bill (and everyone else who had a problem with it), are you aware that this offseason the rules committee gathered and changed the rule regarding the runner's right to advance to first on a dropped 3rd strike? The rule previously had been the runner could go all the way back towards his dugout, but as long as he didn't go inside the dugout he still possessed the right to advance. The rule now is that once a runner leaves the dirt circle around home plate and touches the grass/turf/whatever, which Mora did last night, that he lost the right to advance to first. Now with you guys complaining about that, your implying that the umpires are no good for doing their job and following the rules, and somehow tryign to make it out as if the Yankees caught a break, when in fact all that happened was the Umpires followed the RULES. Speaking of rules, aren't they those things JHB gets so worked up over here on Talksox? Funny how when rules arent followed to a T on a message board he throws a fit and runs and hides for a week, but when they are followed in a Baseball game he still catches a temper tantrum. Bill, get some help. Kilo, again buddy, go elsewhere with your ********.

 

If you're right about the rule, that's a great job of research. Well done.

[yankees228]

Example #1 of continuing bull s*** where it doesn't need to be.

 

ORS was not referring to Rivera getting the calls because he's on the Yankees. He was saying that those types of pitches are being called strikes, so he needs to swing. There's a bit of a difference.

 

I'm not supporting the comment that 26-6 made, but ORS made the call in reference to only Rivera. I don't know what you mean by "those types of pitches" but from what ORS said it appeared to me like he was only talking about Rivera.

 

ORS, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm not supporting the comment that 26-6 made, but ORS made the call in reference to only Rivera. I don't know what you mean by "those types of pitches" but from what ORS said it appeared to me like he was only talking about Rivera.

 

ORS, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I read it as Rivera gets 4" off the plate all season. Not because he's on the Yankees, it's just an observable pattern. Same as Maddux.

[ORS]

Kilo' date=' again buddy, go elsewhere with your ********.[/quote']

Why should he do that? He provides interesting dialog about the team that is the central topic of this message board. You provide nothing to this site other than "whiner who roots for the rival". That it is position of redundancy. Or are we supposed to find your postings about "smokin mad chronix, yo" constructive?

[ORS]

I'm not supporting the comment that 26-6 made, but ORS made the call in reference to only Rivera. I don't know what you mean by "those types of pitches" but from what ORS said it appeared to me like he was only talking about Rivera.

 

ORS, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth so please correct me if I'm wrong.

You interpretation is correct. It's about him being Rivera, which has nothing to do with him being a Yankee. It's the vet strikezone thing.

[26 to 6]

Example #1 of continuing bull s*** where it doesn't need to be.

 

ORS was not referring to Rivera getting the calls because he's on the Yankees. He was saying that those types of pitches are being called strikes, so he needs to swing. There's a bit of a difference.

Whether or not they say it, it's a Yankee thing though, and you know it. Claims like that are never made on this site about anyone who doesn't play for the Yankees, so please spare me. I mean seriously, look who we're talking about here.

 

And given the actions of about half the other members on this board, I'm a bit surprised that you're coming down on me here. It's whatever though, enjoy that moderator authority, Zacko.

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Why should he do that? He provides interesting dialog about the team that is the central topic of this message board. You provide nothing to this site other than "whiner who roots for the rival". That it is position of redundancy. Or are we supposed to find your postings about "smokin mad chronix' date=' yo" constructive?[/quote']

you're retarded. You must be sleeping with Kilo, because he does none of that. All he does is make confrontational posts, starts s***, throws insults around, and runs his mouth (or rather typing fingers). And my marijuana posts don't exist outside of a thread on the topic, so sorry. Oh, and btw, I just recently quit smoking. Wednesday will be 2 weeks

 

So again, when it comes to Kilo; why don't you just hop off the wood Tarzan

 

You interpretation is correct. It's about him being Rivera, which has nothing to do with him being a Yankee. It's the vet strikezone thing.

Convenient that Zacko came in and saved you on that one, huh? You're so full of s*** you're like a septic tank.

[yankees228]

You interpretation is correct. It's about him being Rivera' date=' which has nothing to do with him being a Yankee. It's the vet strikezone thing.[/quote']

 

Then I completely agree. Over the last few years Rivera has always gotten calls off the plate. As a Yankee fan it's an advantage that I've enjoyed, although I don't condone it.

[ORS]

you're retarded. You must be sleeping with Kilo, because he does none of that. All he does is make confrontational posts, starts s***, throws insults around, and runs his mouth (or rather typing fingers). And my marijuana posts don't exist outside of a thread on the topic, so sorry. Oh, and btw, I just recently quit smoking. Wednesday will be 2 weeks

 

So again, when it comes to Kilo; why don't you just hop off the wood Tarzan

 

 

Convenient that Zacko came in and saved you on that one, huh? You're so full of s*** you're like a septic tank.

Hop off the wood Tarzan? Jesus Christ you are lame.

 

Kilo's style is gruff, but he does bring up many worthy topics of discussion, particulary about struggling players. I guess you are just challenged and can't get beyond the tone to recognize the content. Very unsurprising.

 

Save me? Please show where my words assign bias based on him being a Yankee. This is your interpretation of what I posted, but I'm guessing most first impression assessments of you include the phrase "drools a lot", so your interpretation is as meaningful as the stuff found in said septic tank.

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Hop off the wood Tarzan? Jesus Christ you are lame.

 

Kilo's style is gruff, but he does bring up many worthy topics of discussion, particulary about struggling players. I guess you are just challenged and can't get beyond the tone to recognize the content. Very unsurprising.

 

Save me? Please show where my words assign bias based on him being a Yankee. This is your interpretation of what I posted, but I'm guessing most first impression assessments of you include the phrase "drools a lot", so your interpretation is as meaningful as the stuff found in said septic tank.

It's not about what you said in this post that portrays your Yankee bias, but take a look back at your history of anti-Yankee posts and it's pretty clear.

 

And if you try to even claim for one second that you don't have a bias towards the Yankees then you belong in that septic tank.

 

And you're still swinging from that branch, so I think Tarzan is quite fitting.

[yankees228]

Yeah, 26-6, I understand that you don't like him, but Kilo is definitely a positive contributor to this board.

[schillingouttheks]

Whether or not they say it' date=' it's a Yankee thing though, and you know it. Claims like that are never made on this site about anyone who doesn't play for the Yankees, so please spare me. I mean seriously, look who we're talking about here.[/quote']

 

I remember multiple occasions where this type of claim was also made about Greg Maddux. I think that you're so focused on defending yourself and the Yankees that your ability to distinguish between insult and observation is a bit skewed.

 

And given the actions of about half the other members on this board' date=' I'm a bit surprised that you're coming down on me here. It's whatever though, enjoy that moderator authority, Zacko.[/quote']

 

It's obviously not only you, and I don't mean to "come down on you" here. And before he points it out... Soxfan, you know what I mean. I'm just sick of the s*** that constantly gets dragged out. I mean, you get upset when a dead horse has been beaten, yet you continue to beat this one. We get it... you dislike JHB and his opinions. That's fine. Just please, PLEASE, keep the flaming in Anything Goes. That's all I'm asking of you, Seano.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Yeah and nobody cares about your point. I wasnt trying to be funny. I'm just sick of the ******** on this site lately, the constant back and forth. I'm tired of the cheating accusations (and the responses, don't get me wrong), and when JHB made a big stink over the Mora call last night all it did was annoy me further.

 

Bill (and everyone else who had a problem with it), are you aware that this offseason the rules committee gathered and changed the rule regarding the runner's right to advance to first on a dropped 3rd strike? The rule previously had been the runner could go all the way back towards his dugout, but as long as he didn't go inside the dugout he still possessed the right to advance. The rule now is that once a runner leaves the dirt circle around home plate and touches the grass/turf/whatever, which Mora did last night, that he lost the right to advance to first. Now with you guys complaining about that, your implying that the umpires are no good for doing their job and following the rules, and somehow tryign to make it out as if the Yankees caught a break, when in fact all that happened was the Umpires followed the RULES. Speaking of rules, aren't they those things JHB gets so worked up over here on Talksox? Funny how when rules arent followed to a T on a message board he throws a fit and runs and hides for a week, but when they are followed in a Baseball game he still catches a temper tantrum. Bill, get some help. Kilo, again buddy, go elsewhere with your ********.

 

The rule in question is posted below. The point you make, italicized by me, was added not in 2007-2008, but rather in 2005-2006:

 

6.09

The batter becomes a runner when --

(a) He hits a fair ball;

( The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out;

Rule 6.09( Comment: A batter who does not realize his situation on a third strike not caught, and who is not in the process of running to first base, shall be declared out once he leaves the dirt circle surrounding home plate.

© A fair ball, after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or after having been touched by a fielder, including the pitcher, shall touch an umpire or runner on fair territory;

(d) A fair ball passes over a fence or into the stands at a distance from home base of 250 feet or more. Such hit entitles the batter to a home run when he shall have touched all bases legally. A fair fly ball that passes out of the playing field at a point less than 250 feet from home base shall entitle the batter to advance to second base only;

(e) A fair ball, after touching the ground, bounds into the stands, or passes through, over or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;

(f) Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;

(g) Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;

(h) Any fair fly ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over the fence into foul territory, in which case the batter shall be entitled to advance to second base; but if deflected into the stands or over the fence in fair territory, the batter shall be entitled to a home run. However, should such a fair fly be deflected at a point less than 250 feet from home plate, the batter shall be entitled to two bases only.

 

Pardon, but do you have video showing the batter to have left the dirt circle?

 

And as an added aside, you post, "Bill, get some help." I've not yet troubled you in my postings with Gom, but you engage in flaming--is it a Yankees thing, or is it a mental illness?

[ORS]

It's not about what you said in this post that portrays your Yankee bias' date=' but take a look back at your history of anti-Yankee posts and it's pretty clear.. [/quote']

Look f***o, I get that you are monumentally stupid, but this goes beyond the pale. When I say assign bias, I'm not talking about my words, I'm talking about the umps. Here, since you need it Barney style every time, this is what I said [paraphrased for those without the services of the frontal lobe]:

 

I would like you to show me where my words indicate that the incorrect strikezone was awarded to Rivera due to bias favoring the Yankees.

 

I have multiple posts on this site stating the "veteran" strikezone needs to go. This is just another.

 

Oh, and thanks for providing example to my original claim that all you really do here is whine about perceived slights against your team, which is not the team for which the site was created. You are about as worthless as a football bat.

[schillingouttheks]

Ughhhhhhhhhh. Please? Can't we all just.... get along? I know he's missed the point on more than one occasion but this is just going to continue to spiral out of control.

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The rule in question is posted below. The point you make, italicized by me, was added not in 2007-2008, but rather in 2005-2006:

 

 

 

Pardon, but do you have video showing the batter to have left the dirt circle?

 

And as an added aside, you post, "Bill, get some help." I've not yet troubled you in my postings with Gom, but you engage in flaming--is it a Yankees thing, or is it a mental illness?

Look at the replay. I don't possess the video, but I saw the replay, and it was pointed out on the YES broadcast.

 

As for when the rule was implemented, Girardi stated that umpires went around to every camp this Spring and specifically made a point of informing everyone of that rule. But upon further review you're right because that rule was changed after the Pierzynski controversy in that series against the Angels back in '05. But still, the point still remains that Mora left the circle, touched the grass, and therefore lost his right to advance to first.

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You are about as worthless as a football bat.

That was actually pretty funny.

 

OK f***-stick, let's just end this for Zack's sake.

[Jayhawk Bill]

But upon further review you're right...

 

Thanks!

 

Seriously, I don't subscribe to YES (thank Gawd) and I haven't seen the video, thus my request. AFAIK, it wasn't a valid call...but I'd be eager to hear an impartial observer (um, not YES) point that out.

[a700hitter]

Yeah and nobody cares about your point. I wasn't trying to be funny. I'm just sick of the ******** on this site lately' date=' the constant back and forth. I'm tired of the cheating accusations (and the responses, don't get me wrong), and when JHB made a big stink over the Mora call last night all it did was annoy me further. [/quote']I was the one who posted about the call on Mora, not JHB. I still think it was a ridiculous call, because batters veer further onto the grass all the time. You didn't know about the rule change at the time. It was all explained more than 24 hours after the fact on today's game. It was nothing more than a rationalization by the umpires for a ridiculous call.

[schillingouttheks]

Thanks!

 

Seriously, I don't subscribe to YES (thank Gawd) and I haven't seen the video, thus my request. AFAIK, it wasn't a valid call...but I'd be eager to hear an impartial observer (um, not YES) point that out.

 

What inning did this take place in? I'll go re-watch the occurrence on mlb.tv and report back.

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Thanks!

 

Seriously, I don't subscribe to YES (thank Gawd) and I haven't seen the video, thus my request. AFAIK, it wasn't a valid call...but I'd be eager to hear an impartial observer (um, not YES) point that out.

I dont understand why it matters who points it out, it's not like YES altered the video to show that Mora stepped out of the circle when he in fact didn't. Another conspiracy?

 

And you're welcome if it makes you feel that much better.

 

I was the one who posted about the call on Mora, not JHB. I still think it was a ridiculous call, because batters veer further onto the grass all the time. You didn't know about the rule change at the time. It was all explained more than 24 hours after the fact on today's game. It was nothing more than a rationalization by the umpires for a ridiculous call.

You're right, I didn't know about the rule change at the time, but how does that make it a ridiculous call when that's the rule?

 

I think you're just unwilling to admit you're wrong.