The Yankee Thread

[Optimist]

Stinnett kills another rally.

[Youk Of The Nation]

BOOOO Stinnett! Way to kill a rally! DFA! DFA!

[Cocos Disciples]

Shocking, A-Rod goes 3 for 4...in a 18 run game.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Back to AA trenton where they have some good pitching....Tyler Clippard threw an 8 Inning 1 hitter tonight striking out 11. He got off to a very rocky start but his past 4 or 5 starts have been very good.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Back to AA trenton where they have some good pitching....Tyler Clippard threw an 8 Inning 1 hitter tonight striking out 11. He got off to a very rocky start but his past 6 or 7 starts have been very good.

 

 

Wait, you mean it wasn't Trenton playing Cleveland tonight? :dunno:

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Wait, you mean it wasn't Trenton playing Cleveland tonight? :dunno:

Nah, Trenton would have done better.

[Optimist]

I think the Yankees should do that. Put the Thunder out there tomorrow...it's not like they could do much worse. At least it'd be entertaining...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Question: What happend to Chacon?

 

Torre: "I dont know"

 

By reading into Torre's other comments on Chacon it sounds like Chacon might not start next Sunday. Steven White might get the call (Thats my personal opinion).

[26 to 6]

Nice try. Or, are you going to blame the Mets fans for when he got boo'ed against the Braves, Marlins, Guardians, et al?

Like Red said, following the success against the Braves and Marlins, the Yankee fans WERE NOT booing him. That would be ridiculous. Trust me, I know what the feeling was in the Stadium regarding A-Rod. It was the Mets fans who were booing.

Nice try, though.

 

Omar's mind may change after getting bitch slapped by the AL in inter-league play.

Omar has been consistant about his desire to avoid trading Milledge for a long time, dating back to last season. He's not going to change his mind based on a one bad week. He's too rational a person. And definately wouldnt do it for an old pitcher in Smoltz. If anything, he would get either Willis or Zito.

 

They can't outslug the Sox, Yanks, or ChiSox for 4 out of 7 games, IMO. Their best chance will be if the Athletics or Tigers somehow win the ALCS.

If they get some more pitching they will be able to compete with, and maybe beat any American League team, IMO. Also, in the World Series 3 or 4 (depending on who wins the All Star Game) of the games would be held in Shea Stadium under National League rules, where the AL team wouldnt have as much of an opportunity to outslug the Mets.

 

I believe this team is as dangerous as any AL team, and has a very legit shot at making the World Series VERY interesting.

 

The Yankees have signed prized International free agent Jesus Montero. The rebuilding of the farm continues:

http://yankees.scout.com/2/544123.html

I was thrilled about this one. 16 years old, will start playing next June for the Gulf Coast Yankees. In the meantime, at only 16, I suspect he will just work out at the Yankees dominican complex from time to time or something. I also believe the Yankees have a small complex in Venezuela, but am not positive.

 

But at 16 years old we can afford to take our time with this kid and develop a GREAT catcher. Maybe enlist he help of an external catcher for a year or 2 after Jorge's time is up and then Montero, who I have heard people say is the best Venezulan prospect since Miguel Cabrera, can come up and take over. I cant wait.

 

BTW: When are the Yankees going to end this 3B experiment with ARod. He is clearly out of position. He should be playing SS instead of the prima dona with no range. Tonight Boone sneaked a ball past him up the middle that a SS with range would have been able to put in his pocket. Nick Green is a minor leaguer and should not be at 2B. He's a good fielder, but (with the exception of last night) he's an automatic out. Jeter should be at 2B with ARod at SS and Phillips at 3B until Cano comes back. When Cano comes back, he should play 3B. I love the fact that the Yankees just refuse to improve their defense, when they could do it without making a roster move.

It's NOT AN EXPERIMENT. Alex Rodriguez IS the THIRD BASEMAN. Those were the conditions which he agreed to in order to come here to the Yankees. Would you please just shut up regarding this topic. You harp onit so much it's become pretty annoying. Just let it go. You're a Red Sox fan, why do you care? You should enjoy the Yankees' "refusal to improve their defense" rather than criticize it. Just let it go, PLEASE. Also, until guys like Curt Schilling and Manny Ramirez are no longer Boston Red Sox, just keep your mouth closed when it comes to calling other players prima donnas, especially those like Derek Jeter.

 

The countdown to Chacon's DFA begins....now!

I never thought I'd say this, but you may be right. Chacon might soon have to go. This is starting to get ridiculous.

 

George Steinbrenner needs to give himeslf a nice little birthday present: relive the old days and force a manager to resign (or just give him the boot.) Then find one capable of managing a bullpen; that'd be the gift that just keeps on giving.

I hope that isnt the case, but fear that maybe George gets mad and does something drastic. Fire Torre, trade Hughes, Duincan, etc, ..something along those lines. I hope not. He's been cool all season, so he may do nothing, but on the other hand maybe he's due to erupt. Anyway, Happy Birthday George!

 

16-1, YS might get a new avatar tonight.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that he has that avatar to begin with considering back on June 19, 2000 the Yankees beat the Sox 22-1.

 

By reading into Torre's other comments on Chacon it sounds like Chacon might not start next Sunday. Steven White might get the call (Thats my personal opinion).

I wouldn't completely mind that.

[26 to 6]

I intended on using this thread when I made it for things like trade talk/suggestions, so i'll do that here rather than start another thread, despite it's usage as a game thread.

 

Now dont jump all over me and completely reject this suggestion upon first reading it and think about it for a second. I believe there are several former Yankees that could definately help the club right now.

 

Jeff Weaver- Trust me, it's hard for me to promote bringing him back, as I absolutely HATED him when he was here and after we got rid of him, but really, what's the worst that could happen. We could get him EXTREMELY cheap, either pick him up on waivers or when he gets released and pay him his contract, or trade practically nothing and get the Angels to pick up a few million (figure they'll do that seeing as how they're content with just eating his entire contract). I think that even if just for a tryout period for a few starts it's at least worth a shot. If he does horrible we can always DFA him. It was guys like this that we brought in last year that were able to reinvent themself and do a good job. I think Weaver is at least worth a shot.

 

Rondell White- We can get him for NOTHING and would definately help ease/improve the outfield situation. The fact that he can be a pretty quality bat in the lineup combined with the fact that we could literally get him for nothing sparks the thought in my mind. Why not, too? Let him, Bernie, and Melky platoon out there with the 2 outfield spots open.

 

Juan Rivera- I dont know how willing the Angels would be to trade him, but considering that they are playing misrebly and have a full outfield I thin it's worth a shot at trying to get him. Maybe if the Yankees talked about a deal for Weaver they could try and talk the Angels into including RIvera in the deal. Rivera has developed into a very quality player. I was disappointed when we traded him and would LOVE to have him back. If we cant get him i'm all in favor of Rondell White

 

OK, just some thought that were going around in my mind the past few days, what do you guys think?

[yeszir]

I know, especially since Hank Aaron, Pokey Reese and Jerry Remy are the only players ever to hit nineteen run jacks.

I'm pretty sure Damon Buford did it as well.

[yeszir]

Why dont we start a yankee GAME thread and leave this one for yankee DISCUSSION. I'll do it now.

[schillingouttheks]

Rondell White is good for you guys, you need some pop in the OF. I know you all love Bernie, but you're kidding yourselves if he can play RF everyday for you.

 

I would love for you to get Weaver. Go for it! :thumbsup:

[Optimist]

We should ask the Angels for J. Weaver...

 

When they're not looking, we'll take the good one.

[schillingouttheks]

We should ask the Angels for J. Weaver...

 

When they're not looking, we'll take the good one.

I was actually thinking the exact same thing

 

But really, the Yankees don't need a headcase. I will be so happy if you sign him.

[a700hitter]

It's NOT AN EXPERIMENT. Alex Rodriguez IS the THIRD BASEMAN. Those were the conditions which he agreed to in order to come here to the Yankees. Would you please just shut up regarding this topic. You harp onit so much it's become pretty annoying. Just let it go. You're a Red Sox fan, why do you care? You should enjoy the Yankees' "refusal to improve their defense" rather than criticize it. Just let it go, PLEASE. Also, until guys like Curt Schilling and Manny Ramirez are no longer Boston Red Sox, just keep your mouth closed when it comes to calling other players prima donnas, especially those like Derek Jeter.

A. I like that the Yankees refuse to improve their defense. I find it amusing.

B. I continue to be amazed that Yankee fans are not incensed by this poor managerial decision.

C. I never said the Sox don't have prima donas. However, unlike Yankee fans we don't revere an average fielding player with no pop as an icon. BTW Schilling did agree to move to the pen last year when the team needed him. Francona did not hesitate to ask him even though Schilling had certainly earned the right to refuse the move. Torre would never ask DJ to move, and he is careful to keep ARod away from SS when DJ is down with an injury.

D. ARod is out of position at 3rd. Haven't you been watching? 3B is a position for star SS's that are over the hill, not star SS's in their prime. It's just a ridiculous situation and a terrible misuse of talent, and I love it so don't take it the wrong way. It doesn't bother me at all.

[CrespoBlows]

 

Rondell White- We can get him for NOTHING and would definately help ease/improve the outfield situation. The fact that he can be a pretty quality bat in the lineup combined with the fact that we could literally get him for nothing sparks the thought in my mind. Why not, too? Let him, Bernie, and Melky platoon out there with the 2 outfield spots open.

 

OK, just some thought that were going around in my mind the past few days, what do you guys think?

 

Rondell White would be a downgrade for the Yankees. A BIG downgrade.

 

I like the Rivera, and Weaver suggestion, but the Yankee fans wouldn't embrace Weaver with open arms. Though, I couldn't see the Angels trading offense away, unless they recieved something back.

[a700hitter]

Don't look now Yankee fans, but the Blue jays are right up your butts. They are 1/2 game out of 2nd.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Rondell White would be a downgrade for the Yankees. A BIG downgrade.

 

I like the Rivera, and Weaver suggestion, but the Yankee fans wouldn't embrace Weaver with open arms. Though, I couldn't see the Angels trading offense away, unless they recieved something back.

I'll pass on Weaver, it didnt work once and I doubt it would work again. Then again all they need is an innings eater and he would be better then Chacon. I just doubt it would work. The Juan Rivera idea was a very good one. He would be solid in the OF, he also has some pop.

[ORS]

Like Red said, following the success against the Braves and Marlins, the Yankee fans WERE NOT booing him. That would be ridiculous. Trust me, I know what the feeling was in the Stadium regarding A-Rod. It was the Mets fans who were booing.

Nice try, though.

Here's my original quote.

How funny is it that the Stadium fans are calling for curtain calls for ARod? It's so contrived (due to the fact that they were booing him two days ago) that it has to make you laugh.

Two days ago, five days ago.....my point remains. Please explain how whether or not it was the Mets fans makes a difference in regards to what I'm saying, because at some point in the last week, the Stadium fans were booing ARod.

[Dana Kiecker]

Ive been gone for a bit..

 

Man this thread is delicious.

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Why dont we start a yankee GAME thread and leave this one for yankee DISCUSSION. I'll do it now.

Good idea.

 

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And yeah, trust me guys, I realize how funny the suggestion of Jeff Weaver is, but we really have nothing to lose in giving him a shot. Hey, he really has nowhere to go from here but up, and maybe bringing him back he can redeem himself and have a Small/Chacon-like second half. Worth a shot in my opinion.

[26 to 6]

A. I like that the Yankees refuse to improve their defense. I find it amusing.

B. I continue to be amazed that Yankee fans are not incensed by this poor managerial decision.

C. I never said the Sox don't have prima donas. However, unlike Yankee fans we don't revere an average fielding player with no pop as an icon. BTW Schilling did agree to move to the pen last year when the team needed him. Francona did not hesitate to ask him even though Schilling had certainly earned the right to refuse the move. Torre would never ask DJ to move, and he is careful to keep ARod away from SS when DJ is down with an injury.

D. ARod is out of position at 3rd. Haven't you been watching? 3B is a position for star SS's that are over the hill, not star SS's in their prime. It's just a ridiculous situation and a terrible misuse of talent, and I love it so don't take it the wrong way. It doesn't bother me at all.

Schilling moved to the pen last year becauyse he SUCKED in the rotation. Last time I checked Jeter was doing pretty well at shortstop. In fact, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't he the starting shortstop in the American League? I believe so. Also, A-Rod has played shortstop on a handful of occasions when Jeter was down. However, ike I have stated in the past, it is A-Rod's CHOICE to remain at third. If he wanted to, A-Rod could play short when Jeter is down, but he prefers to focus on his position, which is third base. Jeter is an above average fielder; I think his 2 gold gloves tell us that. IMO he is second to none when it comes to range to his right side (granted, to his left he's nothing to write home about, but every player has flaws) and you dont need to have pop to be an icon. Jeter makes up for his lack of pop with his opposite field "inside out" hits and his ability to move runners along. He is more than capable of hitting for power if he chooses ot, but he prefers to get more base hits rather than hitting for power and half of the time fly out. Because he doesnt have the pop of Babe Ruth doesnt mean he is a bad offensive player, because he is not.

 

Rondell White would be a downgrade for the Yankees. A BIG downgrade.

I'm not suggesting to use him as an every day player, but as somebody to platoon with Bernie and Melky. I think it's worth a shot, wouldnt hurt. Maybe another chance to have people rely on him would help him reinvent himself and fix his offensive struggles, who knows. Whatever though, just a suggestion.

 

Two days ago, five days ago.....my point remains. Please explain how whether or not it was the Mets fans makes a difference in regards to what I'm saying, because at some point in the last week, the Stadium fans were booing ARod.

I acknowledged that he was being booed at some point last week. But he turned those boos into cheers with the walkoff home run and the other success he had last week. That's why the people were cheering and calling for curtain calls. He redeemed himself in the fans eyes. I really dont think there is anything laughable about redemption.

[schillingouttheks]

It's just very weird when you're watching a game when the fans were booing him, and then suddenly they're all applauding him. If I were him I would have given the fans the finger, or just not have come out at all.

 

By the way, why do you give so many f***ing curtain calls? It's so annoying.

 

EDIT: I also have a problem with you fans giving him a second curtain call after his second home run. Weren't you already winning? Wasn't that the same type of home run that you fans booed him for in the previous weeks? The ones where you were already ahead or too far behind for them to make a difference? I just don't understand it. Seems like as a whole you guys can be very bipolar.

[riverside sluggers]

Schilling moved to the pen last year becauyse he SUCKED in the rotation.

 

:wtf:

He moved to the bullpen because it was part of his rehab. Also the Sox and himself had thought that he was the best available option to close out games until he could get his stamina back up. I remember the events clearly so this isnt something Im throwing out there. He sucked in the beginning of the year because he was still hurt, last September he started to show signs of trying to make his way back to what he can be

 

This year he's just chopping away everyone who doubted a comeback

[TheKilo]

Schilling moved to the pen last year becauyse he SUCKED in the rotation. Last time I checked Jeter was doing pretty well at shortstop. In fact, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't he the starting shortstop in the American League? I believe so. Also, A-Rod has played shortstop on a handful of occasions when Jeter was down. However, ike I have stated in the past, it is A-Rod's CHOICE to remain at third. If he wanted to, A-Rod could play short when Jeter is down, but he prefers to focus on his position, which is third base. Jeter is an above average fielder; I think his 2 gold gloves tell us that. IMO he is second to none when it comes to range to his right side (granted, to his left he's nothing to write home about, but every player has flaws) and you dont need to have pop to be an icon. Jeter makes up for his lack of pop with his opposite field "inside out" hits and his ability to move runners along. He is more than capable of hitting for power if he chooses ot, but he prefers to get more base hits rather than hitting for power and half of the time fly out. Because he doesnt have the pop of Babe Ruth doesnt mean he is a bad offensive player, because he is not.

 

You're honestly joking if you think defense has anything to do with being voted into the ASG. Jeter's name recognition and offensive numbers put him in this year. He, to my eyes, is pretty much an average to below average fielder. Gold Gloves aren't the best way to prove defensive efficieincy either, Alex Gonzalez doesn't have one. You're telling me Jeter is a better fielder than Gonzalez?

[ORS]

Beating a dead horse here, but most advanced defensive (and the the less advanced) all have Jeter below average as a fielder. He won those two gold gloves for a couple of reasons. First, ARod covers more ground than the typical 3B, so Jeter's poor performance in RF and ZR (typically bottom 3 of the AL pre-ARod) got a little better. And, he didn't have his customary amount of miscues. Basically, he didn't flat out suck. And, as soon as he didn't suck, he won it because he's a supastah who didn't have one yet. He was not the best SS is in the AL either year. But, it's pretty much a popularity contest, and everyone knows this, so I have no problem with him winning it. I do find it funny when it's used as evidence of his skill though.

[26 to 6]

:wtf:

He moved to the bullpen because it was part of his rehab. Also the Sox and himself had thought that he was the best available option to close out games until he could get his stamina back up. I remember the events clearly so this isnt something Im throwing out there. He sucked in the beginning of the year because he was still hurt, last September he started to show signs of trying to make his way back to what he can be

 

This year he's just chopping away everyone who doubted a comeback

He would have* SUCKED in the rotation. My bad.

[26 to 6]

Beating a dead horse here, but most advanced defensive (and the the less advanced) all have Jeter below average as a fielder. He won those two gold gloves for a couple of reasons. First, ARod covers more ground than the typical 3B, so Jeter's poor performance in RF and ZR (typically bottom 3 of the AL pre-ARod) got a little better. And, he didn't have his customary amount of miscues. Basically, he didn't flat out suck. And, as soon as he didn't suck, he won it because he's a supastah who didn't have one yet. He was not the best SS is in the AL either year. But, it's pretty much a popularity contest, and everyone knows this, so I have no problem with him winning it. I do find it funny when it's used as evidence of his skill though.

Come on now, gold gloves are awarded to the best defensive player at a particular position. Jeter was the best defensive shortstop the past two years in the American League. Granted, he had Alex Rodriguez over there covering tons of ground, but he still did a great job. Just because you dont like the guy doesnt mean you can dismiss his Gold Gloves and claim that he won them for nothing more than popularity. If it were a fan voting you would have a case, but the media members who voted for this award felt Jeter was deserving enough.

 

Alex Gonzalez doesn't have one. You're telling me Jeter is a better fielder than Gonzalez?

No, I dont think that. You dont have to win a gold glove to be a good defensive player. With that being said, Alex Gonzalez is definately worthy of one. Having guys like him in the American League now will prevent Jeter from winning a third straight gold glove.

 

EDIT: I also have a problem with you fans giving him a second curtain call after his second home run. Weren't you already winning? Wasn't that the same type of home run that you fans booed him for in the previous weeks? The ones where you were already ahead or too far behind for them to make a difference? I just don't understand it. Seems like as a whole you guys can be very bipolar.

I agree, Yankee fans call for way too many curtain calls. Whatever though, I dont feel it's too big a deal. Doesnt matter to me either way.

[ORS]

Come on now, gold gloves are awarded to the best defensive player at a particular position. Jeter was the best defensive shortstop the past two years in the American League. Granted, he had Alex Rodriguez over there covering tons of ground, but he still did a great job. Just because you dont like the guy doesnt mean you can dismiss his Gold Gloves and claim that he won them for nothing more than popularity. If it were a fan voting you would have a case, but the media members who voted for this award felt Jeter was deserving enough.

Yup, those media guys really know what they are doing too. I mean, hell, they gave Palmeiro a GG in '99 after he played 1B for 28 games and DH'd for 135. If you think the GG goes to the best fielder every year, then you have a lot of naivete to overcome.