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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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I will say we probably don’t need a $300mill pitcher if he can be readily replaced by a discarded relief pitcher in October. I agree there.., -
By virtue of him needing to be to set up the punchline…
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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Or breed pitchers. Sign Verlander and Scherzer for stud purposes and well grow our own! Thats what we do down here at Breslow’s Arms Farms! -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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If DD was fired for being too megalomaniacal, it’s certainly not a reason he shared with the rather docile, timid Bloom. Bloom showed us that while the meek might inherit the Earth, they’re still going to get fired for running it improperly…
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And all it took was a simple mention of Occam’s Magical Hair Growth Tonic and Dessert Topping…
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Agreed. The White Sox drastically influenced the playoff picture this season. Without them, KC was under .500 and Detroit barely over. Minnesota only stayed in the race as long as they did because their 12-1 record against the White Sox fluffed them up…
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I think you might have lost sight of your original point (Henry fires ‘em every 4 years) or you have perfectly misapplied Occam’s Razors and given me something the exact opposite, which I suppose would be Occam’s Magical Hair Growth Tonic*. If Henry wanted Cherington gone, he wouldn’t hatch some plan involving hiring a control freak to usurp all Ben’s responsibilities. His Occsm’s Razor would be to simply fire Ben… *And Dessert Topping
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While folks on this forum might not be satisfied with the solutions, I think the Sox already know who the closer and setup pitcher will be. Even if they plan on returning Fulmer back to the rotation.,,
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Come on. We suspect Ben was demoted/stripped of responsibilities, but we really don’t know if that’s the case or not. Or what his responsibilities would have been. You’re speculating on his role and then deciding whether or not he liked it. Maybe he left because of a new, reduced role. Maybe he left because he didn’t like Dombrowski. Lots of speculation here. It’s either: 1. Cherington was to have his role reduced, possibly for reasons related to performance, or 2. Dombrowski is a control freak who insists on handling everything himself. There are reasons a to believe either or both scenarios…
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Like I said, I have no idea how insane or impulsive he is…
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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Fine. My only point was to dispel the myth that Henry fires his person in charge every 4 years. Again, twice. And I stand by Bloom deserving it. I think DD probably did as well, but I can certainly understand and recognize the validity in arguments that he didn’t..
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If you’re that desperate to pervade the false narrative hidden by semantics. Henry might not be the best person to work for. He might be insane and impulsive. I don’t know. But the 2016!front office departures were not his doing
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It’s not a technicality to say a guy who wasn’t fired wasn’t fired.. When Cherington was filling out his job application for Toronto, what do you suppose he put under “Reason for leaving last job?”
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All you’re doing is explaining why Cherington quit. Possibly with 100% accuracy. But he wasn’t fired and adding him to the “fired after 4 years” list is inaccurate, regardless of why he quit…
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You can count it as changing CBOs. But it is inaccurate to count Cherington on the list of CBOs/GMs/whatever that were fired after 4 years…
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Disagree. Cherington was the General Manager. Lucchino was replaced as President/CEO once he announced his retirement. DD replaced Lucchino, not Cherington. Dombrowski wanted to keep Cherington on board - agree or disagree?
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This isn’t a preference. It’s a matter of historical accuracy. No one should count Cherington for the simple reason that he wasn’t fired and he did quit. For whatever reason and in whatever capacity, he didn’t want to work under Dombrowski. For good or bad for the Sox. Henry has fired multiple CBOs, going all the way back to Duquette. But counting Cherington is only done to pervade the 4 year myth. I was an ardent Bloom supporter, but I think he deserved it. He built teams that stayed in contention and then repeatedly quit on them for whatever reason. Simply inexcusable…
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It’s a stupid narrative that, now that you’ve made me think about it, makes no sense. Anyone who wants to be a CBO/PBO/GM knows there are only 30 places to get the job. Why would they eliminate one that, at worst, comes with a built-in excuse if it doesn’t work out? Getting fired from the Red Sox isn’t like getting fired from the Pirates, where you have no resources, no expectations, and at worst risk disappointing dozens of fans. There’s a reason all of the “fired” Sox executives have found other jobs. Can you say that about all the deposed executives from Pitt or Miami or Colorado?
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.728 vs .747 seems like an inconsequential difference. There’s no clear quantification,” with OPS but that comes down to something in the neighborhood of 1 single per 100 at bats…
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At least you read my rhetoric. Most of it, anyway. (And I don’t blame you there; it’s not all worth reading.) But the one caveat I have always made is free agency is usually a good place for relievers, especially when compared to starters. Because at least relievers often take much shorter deals and for much lower AAVs. They can also impact more games in a season than a starter…
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No. It’s not a fact. It’s a myth that’s piled on, like the Bermuda Triangle. It happened twice. DD and Bloom. And no one disputes Bloom deserved it.
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And I’m saying he’s the only CBO where the.blame gets bumped up the ladder all the time. Earlier I made a statement about Betts not accepting what DD was offering. This is 100% true and doesn’t put blame on either side, yet you chimed in to make sure it was Henry and not DD. Cherington made a lot of mistakes, most notably Hanley, Pablo and Rusney. (Although I think Rusney was neglected and underutilized.). I’ve never seen anyone say “well, Henry authorized and made those payments.” It gets silly with DD. I was a Bloom fan for a few years, but I’ve openly criticized him multiple times, starting with the Betts trade. But no DD fan seems to ever even permit others to criticize DD without immediately chiming in to his defense. Did DD do some good? Absolutely. But he also did some bad, and it doesn’t make you less of a fan to acknowledge that. It might even make you more of one…
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