Red Sox sign Jake Bauers

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’ve just never seen so much yearning for a journeyman .223 career hitter, and haven’t outside of on here.🤔,

...and you still have not nor never seen it. It's not there. It's all in your twisted mind.

Do you even know what "yearning" means?

[notin]

29 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You didn’t have to pry Alonso from anyone last year except JH checkbook. What a BLUNDER.🙈

Ive never seen so much whining for a player that never played on the Sox.  It’s been a year.  Let it go like a normal adult would…

[notin]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’ve just never seen so much yearning for a journeyman .223 career hitter, and haven’t outside of on here.🤔,

 

 

1.  Learn what yearning means.

2.  He was barely mentioned prior to signing and at best we have some fans that are satisfied.  Some are not.  I’m down on this.

3. Massively hypocritical to call out folks gor yearning minutes after you yearned once again for Alonso…

[JimEd]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I have some hopes for Bauers. We are a better team with him on it.

There are times I am the most optimistic poster on this site. Today, I'm not feeling it. I'll come around.

I'm not letting go of my belief that we need an elite batter, and of course I prefer a younger one like DLC or Abrams. I fully realize the defensive limitations and the idea that DH might be the best landing spot for some of the names I'm mentioning, and we still have an $18M Yoshida and now a $14.5M Bauers slotted for DH, as well as a whole slew of platoon DH choices up and down the system.

The liklihood Brez seeks one of these players is about as close to zero as can be, and part of the reason I'm feeling sour is that the Bauer signing is a major reason this has come to be.

we need power but ANOTHER lefty DH is just what we don't need. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, JimEd said:

we need power but ANOTHER lefty DH is just what we don't need. 

I do think we needed a LHB more than a RHB, and Bauer does have decent power, but I agree.

Before we got Bauers, we had all these players where DH is probably their best position:

Mead

Anthony

Yoshida

Gasper

Romy

Casas

Prospects: Cespedes, Jo Garcia, Brannon

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Ive never seen so much whining for a player that never played on the Sox.  It’s been a year.  Let it go like a normal adult would…

NN. Yes it’s been a year, and the Red Sox are still in need of a bat like Alonso’s. I repeat still in need of a bat like Alonso’s, and a big need it STILL is.🙈

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

NN. Yes it’s been a year, and the Red Sox are still in need of a bat like Alonso’s. I repeat still in need of a bat like Alonso’s, and a big need it STILL is.🙈

All this yearning for a .255 bat.

(Cue the sliding scale from BA to RBIs.)

[UtahSox]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

Ive never seen so much whining for a player that never played on the Sox.  It’s been a year.  Let it go like a normal adult would…

I understand what you are saying “get over it”…… but for the 1st time ever, I present my defense of Red…. I keep finding myself saying the same thing over and over as well. It was a layup right in front of our face. We tried to “outsmart analytics” the game. The result is four straight big-time L’s in the Bronx in October

 

resign Bregman, help him mold your young superstar.

trade Early and Mayer for Marte 

sign Alonso. We’d have elite bats at 3 positions. Finding a pitcher at trade deadline is infinitely easier than finding a bat. 
 

we wouldn’t have signed Suarez. IMO we would have had enough offense to ride with Catcher offensive black hole. So you’d still have all those pitching prospects you sent to orioles.+ Arias for a blockbuster trade. 
 

I get it hindsight is always 20/20  but so many of us on this site were clamoring for exactly that. 

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

1.  Learn what yearning means.

2.  He was barely mentioned prior to signing and at best we have some fans that are satisfied.  Some are not.  I’m down on this.

3. Massively hypocritical to call out folks gor yearning minutes after you yearned once again for Alonso…

There are all kinds of Red Sox fans that are still bemoaning that the Red Sox didn’t get Alonso when he was out there for the taking last year. Have you talked to any? Have you heard any? 🤔

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

All this yearning for a .255 bat.

(Cue the sliding scale from BA to RBIs.)

Are you trying to make a comparison of Alonso’s .255 career average to Fake Bauers .223? Alonso has averaged 38 homers, and 103 RBI in his career. A big, big, big difference to Fake Bauers. Not even close to a comparison. Wow!🙈🤭

[UtahSox]

12 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I do think we needed a LHB more than a RHB, and Bauer does have decent power, but I agree.

Before we got Bauers, we had all these players where DH is probably their best position:

Mead

Anthony

Yoshida

Gasper

Romy

Casas

Prospects: Cespedes, Jo Garcia, Brannon

Agree…. With how Toronto looks positioned to push chips all in again this year. That means AL East Runs through Shittler & Cole in NY. Cease & Soriano in Tor. Rasmussen & Peralta (my projected signing) in Tampa. 

[notin]

14 minutes ago, Old Red said:

NN. Yes it’s been a year, and the Red Sox are still in need of a bat like Alonso’s. I repeat still in need of a bat like Alonso’s, and a big need it STILL is.🙈

You’re right about one thing.  All this yearning is unbearable…

[moonslav59]

In a sense Brez chose Contreras over Alonso.

In a sense Brez chose Durbin and Suarez over Bregman (and Harrison/Drohan.)

Those three instead of two were clearly budget related and likely provided Brez with the opportunity to add Gray in 2026 and maybe Bauers for 2027 and beyond.

$175M/5 Bregman ($30.1 AAV due to deferrals, but actually $35M x 5)

$155M/5 Alonso ($33.5 AAV)

This is $330m/5 and a $67M AAV)

For

$130M/5 Suarez ($26M AAV)

$46M/3 Contreras (counting the $8M STL pays) $15.3M AAV

Pre-arb Durbin (and Seigler + Monsterio)

This is $176M/4 (avg 3 and 5 years) and an AAV of $41M.

The differential is $154M and $26M AAV. That more than pays for Gray, Bauers and more.

[notin]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

There are all kinds of Red Sox fans that are still bemoaning that the Red Sox didn’t get Alonso when he was out there for the taking last year. Have you talked to any? Have you heard any? 🤔

Who cares? That doesn’t make them correct. There are lots of players the Sox didn’t get.  And the upgrade from Contreras to Alonso isn’t as big as you think. 
 

And getting Alonso absolutely meant not hetting Contreras….

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

I understand what you are saying “get over it”…… but for the 1st time ever, I present my defense of Red…. I keep finding myself saying the same thing over and over as well. It was a layup right in front of our face. We tried to “outsmart analytics” the game. The result is four straight big-time L’s in the Bronx in October

 

resign Bregman, help him mold your young superstar.

trade Early and Mayer for Marte 

sign Alonso. We’d have elite bats at 3 positions. Finding a pitcher at trade deadline is infinitely easier than finding a bat. 
 

we wouldn’t have signed Suarez. IMO we would have had enough offense to ride with Catcher offensive black hole. So you’d still have all those pitching prospects you sent to orioles.+ Arias for a blockbuster trade. 
 

I get it hindsight is always 20/20  but so many of us on this site were clamoring for exactly that. 

Exactly! The Red Sox didn’t get Alonso, and they didn’t get Bregman, and bresLOW missed the layup, and BOTCHED the whole thing, and if it wasn’t for a magical carpet ride in the middle of the season the Red Sox would have been on the outside looking in.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Are you trying to make a comparison of Alonso’s .255 career average to Fake Bauers .223? Alonso has averaged 38 homers, and 103 RBI in his career. A big, big, big difference to Fake Bauers. Not even close to a comparison. Wow!🙈🤭

No. Once again you missed the point about your sliding scale of gobble-dee-goop.

You forgot already that I wanted Alonso, and still do. That's not  surprising from a feeble mind like yours.

Bauers HR and RBIs numbers come pretty close to your hero, Renfroe, who you yearned for many years after "the journeyman" moved on.

At least fess up to your sliding scale. Which ever number matches your opinion best, you chose that and only that one.

 

 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Who cares? That doesn’t make them correct. There are lots of players the Sox didn’t get.  And the upgrade from Contreras to Alonso isn’t as big as you think. 
 

And getting Alonso absolutely meant not hetting Contreras….

No, but it doesn’t make them WRONG either. You have NO clue what’s going on outside of here. To be so sheltered, and not know what’s going on in the outside world. Wow!

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Exactly! The Red Sox didn’t get Alonso, and they didn’t get Bregman, and bresLOW missed the layup, and BOTCHED the whole thing, and if it wasn’t for a magical carpet ride in the middle of the season the Red Sox would have been on the outside looking in.

You've even admitted you were happy Brez didnt pay Bregman what he got.

Yes, he wanted him and misplayed the whole process. Calling it "botched" has some truth to it, just as not getting MN to make the Ryan trade did, too. but had we gotten Alonso and Bregman and kept the same budget, we'd be worse of now and likely way worse off at the tail ends of their deals.

Why bring up Bragman when you were glad we didn't sign him?

I don't expect an answer to my actual question, so think of it as a rhetorical question. (Get out your dictionary.)

 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

No. Once again you missed the point about your sliding scale of gobble-dee-goop.

You forgot already that I wanted Alonso, and still do. That's not  surprising from a feeble mind like yours.

Bauers HR and RBIs numbers come pretty close to your hero, Renfroe, who you yearned for many years after "the journeyman" moved on.

At least fess up to your sliding scale. Which ever number matches your opinion best, you chose that and only that one.

 

 

Take your feeble. Take your gobble-Dee-goop. Go back behind the curtain, and take something for that chronic regurgitation. Has any outfielder had 96 RBI since Renfroe did it?

[UtahSox]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

In a sense Brez chose Contreras over Alonso.

In a sense Brez chose Durbin and Suarez over Bregman (and Harrison/Drohan.)

Those three instead of two were clearly budget related and likely provided Brez with the opportunity to add Gray in 2026 and maybe Bauers for 2027 and beyond.

$175M/5 Bregman ($30.1 AAV due to deferrals, but actually $35M x 5)

$155M/5 Alonso ($33.5 AAV)

This is $330m/5 and a $67M AAV)

For

$130M/5 Suarez ($26M AAV)

$46M/3 Contreras (counting the $8M STL pays) $15.3M AAV

Pre-arb Durbin (and Seigler + Monsterio)

This is $176M/4 (avg 3 and 5 years) and an AAV of $41M.

The differential is $154M and $26M AAV. That more than pays for Gray, Bauers and more.

Mead was DFA’d March 2026/ Bauers could have been had for a bag of peanuts a year ago. Savant 2026 loves both of them. Analytics look really good which I know is all Breslow looks at. But the sample size is not massive. I will say they were both highly touted farm players at some point.
 

But replacing Raphael Devers, and Alex Bregman, With Caleb Durbin, Curtis Mead, and Jake Bauers. You really have to squint at the jersey to see if you’re Rooting for the Boston Red Sox or the Tampa Bay rays. With significantly less financial risk, comes significantly more on field risk of failure.  

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No, but it doesn’t make them WRONG either. You have NO clue what’s going on outside of here. To be so sheltered, and not know what’s going on in the outside world. Wow!

You act like knowing what your clown friends and radio pundits are saying is reality.

It's you that has the warped sense of truth and reality. Your feeble mind doesn't help, either.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Take your feeble. Take your gobble-Dee-goop. Go back behind the curtain, and take something for that chronic regurgitation. Has any outfielder had 96 RBI since Renfroe did it?

Who regurgitates "curtains" and "NN?"

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

You've even admitted you were happy Brez didnt pay Bregman what he got.

Yes, he wanted him and misplayed the whole process. Calling it "botched" has some truth to it, just as not getting MN to make the Ryan trade did, too. but had we gotten Alonso and Bregman and kept the same budget, we'd be worse of now and likely way worse off at the tail ends of their deals.

Why bring up Bragman when you were glad we didn't sign him?

I don't expect an answer to my actual question, so think of it as a rhetorical question. (Get out your dictionary.)

 

I said from day 1 the three years was the right amount for Bregman, and still do, but brezLOW saw it differently, and allotted money to resigning him, and lowballed Alonso, and didn’t get either. He could have had Alonso, and Con Man both.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

 Has any outfielder had 96 RBI since Renfroe did it?

You mean the .236 journeyman guy?

The guy who played on 6 teams in the 5 years surrounding his time in Boston.

He's the poster boy for journeyman.

[UtahSox]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

In a sense Brez chose Contreras over Alonso.

In a sense Brez chose Durbin and Suarez over Bregman (and Harrison/Drohan.)

Those three instead of two were clearly budget related and likely provided Brez with the opportunity to add Gray in 2026 and maybe Bauers for 2027 and beyond.

$175M/5 Bregman ($30.1 AAV due to deferrals, but actually $35M x 5)

$155M/5 Alonso ($33.5 AAV)

This is $330m/5 and a $67M AAV)

For

$130M/5 Suarez ($26M AAV)

$46M/3 Contreras (counting the $8M STL pays) $15.3M AAV

Pre-arb Durbin (and Seigler + Monsterio)

This is $176M/4 (avg 3 and 5 years) and an AAV of $41M.

The differential is $154M and $26M AAV. That more than pays for Gray, Bauers and more.

The economics are a fair point that I’m dancing around, but I don’t mention. I love how JH has artificially manufactured a very visible salary cap on this team. While his boy Sam Kennedy runs around saying “the Red Sox don’t have a resource problem”. No they don’t have a resource problem, they have a goal alignment problem. The fans goal is to always win, and have the best team. Ownerships Main goal is to have the perception of going all in without actually committing the long-term resources to said goal. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I said from day 1 the three years was the right amount for Bregman, and still do, but brezLOW saw it differently, and allotted money to resigning him, and lowballed Alonso, and didn’t get either. He could have had Alonso, and Con Man both.

You never wanted Alonso and Con Man. You bid doofus!

Your mind is a twisted mess.

 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You act like knowing what your clown friends and radio pundits are saying is reality.

It's you that has the warped sense of truth and reality. Your feeble mind doesn't help, either.

You call all these Red Sox fans clowns, and down radio pundits like you are better than them. You are not. Posting on talksox is not a higher form than sports talk shows like you think it is, and you’re the best example of that over, and over, and over again.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You mean the .236 journeyman guy?

The guy who played on 6 teams in the 5 years surrounding his time in Boston.

He's the poster boy for journeyman.

Has anyone else done it since?

[notin]

17 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No, but it doesn’t make them WRONG either. You have NO clue what’s going on outside of here. To be so sheltered, and not know what’s going on in the outside world. Wow!

Oh well then educate me on how the world is a different place if Breslow had signed Alonso….

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, UtahSox said:

The economics are a fair point that I’m dancing around, but I don’t mention. I love how JH has artificially manufactured a very visible salary cap on this team. While his boy Sam Kennedy runs around saying “the Red Sox don’t have a resource problem”. No they don’t they have a goal alignment problem. The fans goal is to always win and have the best team. Ownerships Main goal is to have the perception of going all in without actually committing the long-term resources to said goal. 

In the context of limited winter spending budgets and more needs than money on hand to fill them all, I have argued that Brez is not the main problem with our lacking roster.

Of course he has made some major bad trades and choices, but when you look at the totality of his deals, his record is a clear plus.

Our predicament is on JH, but hoping he gets replaced is a pipe dream. Hoping he changes his ways is likely a pipe dream, too. There is a tiny bit more hope on that, and in recent years we have seen some upticks, even counting the Devers dump.

I think the vast majority of Sox fans know full well this FO is not going "all in." Their goal has been to keep the fanbase at the bare minimum of hope, whereby they still come to the games and tune into NESN. They have been successful in that goal.

We currently do have a competitive team- not top 3-5 but maybe 6-10. To me, we are close enough to top 3-5, whereby one major elite bat gets us there, but maybe I'm wrong. I do think I'm right to think JH & Co don't want to spend on getting us to top 3-5.

What irks me is that I thought we could get there without spending like the Mets and Dodgers. It would mean trading Arias and more, but these guys see Arias as a budget savior for years to come.