A Realistic View at the 2027 Red Sox Part I

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

my good friend has a dog named mo.

I had an ole dog and his name was Blue...

 

 

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1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

You think the pets are getting birthday banners or something? Don't give them any ideas because they can be very demanding. 

None of the pets are named after Red Sox players anymore. My computer password is the same as my luggage FWIW. 

Username: mvp78

Password: the same as my luggage FWIW

 

 

I might have to try that out…

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29 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I had an ole dog and his name was Blue...

 

 

My current dog’s name is Blue. 

My last dog was named Patches, because he was trying to quit smoking. (Rimshot for an old joke)

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1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

u strike me as a lizard guy.  Prob got a lizard name lucky luchino.

My pet Komodo Dragon is named Mr. Fluffycuddles.    It’s not the most accurate name…

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, notin said:

My current dog’s name is Blue. 

My last dog was named Patches, because he was trying to quit smoking. (Rimshot for an old joke)

Ginger- family beagle as a child

Jed- my first solo dog (mix)

Sierra- Shepherd & "wolf" mix was told

Kaleb- Yellow Lab/Shep mix lived to be 19.5

Daisy (Blue Lacy) and Kiza (Greyhound/Dalmation) are my two current dogs (7 and 6 y/o)

Had many cats- one that lived 21 years.

[JoeBrady]

23 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Moon and another poster, Dewey I think, also had a love affair with another defense first SS, Iggy. I remember the Iggy vs Bogey battles. Good times. Iggy turned into a good hitter. No real power, but a good BA and that glove…man, was it good.
Cheng is a good utility defense first guy. Probably an up and down AAAA guy.

 

 

I loved Iggy and still do.  

[JoeBrady]

On 11/4/2026 at 4:18 PM, drewski6 said:

Since we switched to the joe brady model 5 years ago, wwhere we have to be super efficient that every player must have a spot and we cant have any overflow, starter level depth on our bench, and we must prioritize obp,

I'm not sure why you would want to do this for me, but thank you for proving my point.

• We have not been efficient, let alone super-efficient, in signing FAs.  Price, Sale extension, Story, Yoshida, Giolito, not exactly examples of efficient spending.
• I've always liked depth.  It's why I like Sato.  He will DH, but also back up 3B & LF.
• And since we since we obviously suck at OBP, that just reinforces my point that we needed, and still need to, prioritize OBP.

[JoeBrady]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

They should have re-signed Alex Gonzalez for 2007 instead of signing Julio Lugo.

Lugo was one of the few players I thought Theo had kind of an obsession with.  AGon was a great fit.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Took you this long to tell me you have a pool?  Any Sun Cruisers and/or Twisted Teas?

A couple kayaks that my kids used to go down the street on Tuesday due to all the flooding. The rest of the house is empty. Very rugged lifestyle.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

Lugo was one of the few players I thought Theo had kind of an obsession with.  AGon was a great fit.

I loved Gonzo, and a wild what if was how he hit 23 HRs and had 88 RBIs the year after the Sox.

It wasn't his offense I loved, but that was wild.

[moonslav59]

Here is a look at some recent trades and how BTV values those players now: (second number is value before subtracting pay)

23 Mead (53) for 36 Early (69)

21 AR (31) for 31 Eyanson, 27 Azocar & 6 Witherspoon

6 Miller (13) & 4.4 Gutierrez for 24 Mayer (32)

31 Durbin (71), 2 Monasterio (6), 0 Siegler (1) for 27 Harrison (55), 13 Drohan (35), 5 DHam (13)

30 Bennett (76) for 13 Perales (20)

36 Crochet (193) for 46 Teel (84), 40 Meidroth (89), 38 Montgomery (65)

Only the AR trade looks like a major overpay to me.

[JoeBrady]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Also, when Ceddanne first came up, people were still comparing him to Mookie because he had a 1000 OPS in AAA in 50 G. He wasn't that guy. People had false hope. 

He was exactly what his numbers suggested, but only for the folks that believe in numbers.  He had some power, but a 48/12 K/W.  That usually worsens since pro pitchers are stingier with walks. 

[JoeBrady]

7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Who was okay with Mayer's first year?

There's a difference between thinking give him more time and being okay with a pretty bad season. (Plus, he got worse on O.)

I was 'okay' with it.  He had a .674 OPS, a poor K/W, but  90 EV.  Too many fans expect remarkable things from 22 year old kids.

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11 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

He was exactly what his numbers suggested, but only for the folks that believe in numbers.  He had some power, but a 48/12 K/W.  That usually worsens since pro pitchers are stingier with walks. 

Ceddanne came up like a useful version of Will Middlebrooks….

[JoeBrady]

7 hours ago, notin said:

I don’t see the Pirates as a team chasing defensive players at all.  

The Athletics?  They’re building the team you want.

Pitt was 26th in overall defense, and the Athletics were 29th.  IMO, it is a moot point.  Teams chase the best all-around players.  FWIW, only 2 of the bottom-15 fielding teams made the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

I was 'okay' with it.  He had a .674 OPS, a poor K/W, but  90 EV.  Too many fans expect remarkable things from 22 year old kids.

It didnt upset me, but I didnt view it as good enough to continue as such.

[JoeBrady]

6 hours ago, UtahSox said:

Can’t score enough runs…. 

Maybe, but since we needed 10 runs in each game, our pitching might've had something to do with it.

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Maybe, but since we needed 10 runs in each game, our pitching might've had something to do with it.

True. Everyone sees the bad O and forgets the bad pitching.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

True. Everyone sees the bad O and forgets the bad pitching.

Bad pitching, or the Bad decisions with the pitching?🤔

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

I was 'okay' with it.  He had a .674 OPS, a poor K/W, but  90 EV.  Too many fans expect remarkable things from 22 year old kids.

Especially the ones who got as much hype as Mayer, and Anthony did.🤫

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Bad pitching, or the Bad decisions with the pitching?🤔

Both, but bad pitching nonetheless.

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Both, but bad pitching nonetheless.

As it turned out yes, but most of the talk after the short cameo by the Red Sox was about the pitching decisions made by Tracy, which exasperated the situations, and complained by just not the fans, but some of the players themselves. Bad pitching by Miller not once, but twice should not have been unexpected.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

As it turned out yes, but most of the talk after the short cameo by the Red Sox was about the pitching decisions made by Tracy, which exasperated the situations, and complained by just not the fans, but some of the players themselves. Bad pitching by Miller not once, but twice should not have been unexpected.

I don't put much thought into "talk." 

Yes, the choices were bad, but other pitchers would likely have sucked, too, once the starters were pulled too early.

[moonslav59]

39 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Especially the ones who got as much hype as Mayer, and Anthony did.🤫

The word "HYPE" gets more hype than any Sox prospect ever got.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

It didnt upset me, but I didnt view it as good enough to continue as such.

Same with about 90% of the prospects.

[JoeBrady]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The word "HYPE" gets more hype than any Sox prospect ever got.

Anthony gets his name in the paper because he was the best prospect in baseball.  It's not even 'hype'; it's 'news'.  When the #1 draft pick in the NFL gets picked #1, is it hype of is it just simply news.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Same with about 90% of the prospects.

True nuff.

You know, Mayer may still prove to be a good player.

[moonslav59]

Just now, JoeBrady said:

Anthony gets his name in the paper because he was the best prospect in baseball.  It's not even 'hype'; it's 'news'.  When the #1 draft pick in the NFL gets picked #1, is it hype of is it just simply news.

I was gonna write a long post on "hype" and why it seems to get under so many people's skin.

What is expected when a team has top prospects? Keep quiet? Downplay them?

Do any team not "hype" a nationally high ranking prospect?

Don't many fans get high hopes over them, often unreasonably high, but often enough fully realized or at least in large part? What is inherently wrong with getting some optimism, even if on the overly side?

Nobody said a peep about getting "hyped" over Betts. That was fine.

I'm pretty sure most posters here know nothing in baseball is for sure. We all knew a bust or two was possible, but we had some many, all at once, that it was pretty hard to think none would do well. 

BTW, it's not a sure bet all will fail, despite Mayer and KC not looking likely to do well. 

And one more thing: wasn't Tolle a highly ranked prospect, too? It's not like we are oh for 3. At worst, maybe 1 for 4 or 1.5 for 4, if you count Roman as a half, and that's still just "so far."

[UtahSox]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Maybe, but since we needed 10 runs in each game, our pitching might've had something to do with it.

But be honest did runs 3-10 even matter? Once down 2 runs I knew it was over.

[JoeBrady]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Do any team not "hype" a nationally high ranking prospect?

It's not like fans are unaware of who is in their system.  I'd say half this board goes 10-deep in farm knowledge, some more.  Are the Yankees hyping Jones, or are his stats just general BB knowledge?