Red Sox (Suarez) vs Yankees (Warren): 08/30/26, 1:35 PM

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

10 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

What turned the game around was Suarez's crappy effort. As far as the almost great catch is concerned, the ball did touch the grass right before Raff's glove flipped over. 

Also, tough to win when your team only scores one run.

Btw, I seriously doubt any outfielder in MLB could have come as close to making that catch as Raffy did.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

we need to get rid of both Story and Duran after this season and Yoshida too.

I doubt we dump all three, and even two might be wishful thinking.

IMO, None have more than $1-4M trade value- not counting their contract costs, except Duran.

BTV shows...

Net Value / Player (production vale- salary)

6.9 Duran ( 19.7-12.8)

-16.5 Yoshida (4.5-21)

-29.3 Story (4.8-34.2)

Let's assume we can find a couple teams to pay $4-5M towards each of the Story and Yoshida contracts. We'd knock $8-10M off the budget. If we include a prospect of bubble vet, maybe we can save more. I'm assuming we keep Duran, since Brez will not get the return he thinks he's worth.

That would leave this foundation of a roster (assuming Gray, IKF and Sandoval bolt as FAs)

SP: Crochet, Tolle, Bennett, Suarez, Bello, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo (Burgos, Wehunt, Paez, Ziehl, Holobetz)

RP: Chapman, Whitlock. Miller, Slaten, Guerrero, Moran, Weissert, (Samaniego, Rivera, Gamboa, Kelly, Olds, Bastardo, Song)

C: Rutschman, Wong (Jo Garcia)

1B: Contreras, Romy (Harris, Casas)

2B: Mead, Seigler (Rodgers/Cespedes)

3B: Durbin, Monasterio (Eaton, Romero/Winnay)

SS: Arias, Sogard (Cheng/Godbout)

LF: Duran, Jones (Gonzales, Gutierrez)

CF: Rafaela, White (Ward/Jackson)

RF: Abreu (Campbell, YRod)

DH: Anthony (Gasper, Brannon/M White)

 

[Tedballgame]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I doubt we dump all three, and even two might be wishful thinking.

IMO, None have more than $1-4M trade value- not counting their contract costs, except Duran.

BTV shows...

Net Value / Player (production vale- salary)

6.9 Duran ( 19.7-12.8)

-16.5 Yoshida (4.5-21)

-29.3 Story (4.8-34.2)

Let's assume we can find a couple teams to pay $4-5M towards each of the Story and Yoshida contracts. We'd knock $8-10M off the budget. If we include a prospect of bubble vet, maybe we can save more. I'm assuming we keep Duran, since Brez will not get the return he thinks he's worth.

That would leave this foundation of a roster (assuming Gray, IKF and Sandoval bolt as FAs)

SP: Crochet, Tolle, Bennett, Suarez, Bello, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo (Burgos, Wehunt, Paez, Ziehl, Holobetz)

RP: Chapman, Whitlock. Miller, Slaten, Guerrero, Moran, Weissert, (Samaniego, Rivera, Gamboa, Kelly, Olds, Bastardo, Song)

C: Rutschman, Wong (Jo Garcia)

1B: Contreras, Romy (Harris, Casas)

2B: Mead, Seigler (Rodgers/Cespedes)

3B: Durbin, Monasterio (Eaton, Romero/Winnay)

SS: Arias, Sogard (Cheng/Godbout)

LF: Duran, Jones (Gonzales, Gutierrez)

CF: Rafaela, White (Ward/Jackson)

RF: Abreu (Campbell, YRod)

DH: Anthony (Gasper, Brannon/M White)

 

I would want another dependable starter and another good bullpen guy

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

I would want another dependable starter and another good bullpen guy

I think that might be all we do.

Maybe Gray comes back or we get another SP'er.

Brez may take the same pen approach- add guys like Guerrero, Coulombe, Rivera, Gamboa, Samaniego, Kahnle, Olds, Martinez, La Sorsa, Anderson, Burgos and others in hopes 2-3 rise up.

We may need near perfect health, but our bench did well this year and will be back next year, too.

Anthony and Mead could be solid to great 2027 pluses.

I'm not counting on Casas, Romy and Campbell, but one of two could be a force. The rest of the everyday bench is pretty nice

C: Wong, Gasper, Jo Garcia

1B: Romy, Gasper, Casas, Brannon

2B: Sogard, Seigler, Romy, Monasterio

3B: Monasterio, Seigler, Sogard, Romy, Eaton

OF: Duran or Anthony, White, Jones, Campbell

DH: Casas, Romy, Brannon, Campbell

The pitching may overly rely on returning IL pitchers like Crochet, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo, Kelly, Slaten & maybe even Valera.

With just Crochet, Slaten & Kelly returning, our 13 man looks like:

SP: Crochet, Tolle, Bennett, Suarez, Bello

RP: Chapman, Whitlock, Miller, Slaten, Guerrero, Weissert, Moran, Kelly

The starter depth would rely on Houck, Crawford, Oviedo and then Wehunt, Paez, Holobetz, Ziehl, Burgos.

The pen depth: Gamboa, Rivera, Bastardo, Olds, Samaniego, Song

[scs1918]

Now we know we are playing best of 3 at Yankee stadium.

I see Tolle and Gray as starters for game 1 and 2. It may be Tolle to start us out.

In the next 25 games who do we think is going to be the third starter ???

Good and bad with today's game:

Bad we don't have a chance at a home game in first round of playoffs. Which should be a best of 5, stupid you play 162 games to do best of 3? They did that in NBA forever ago and they played an 82 game schedule.

  Good we can take our time with the lineup and the innings and days off for the pitchers.

 

 

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I think that might be all we do.

Maybe Gray comes back or we get another SP'er.

Brez may take the same pen approach- add guys like Guerrero, Coulombe, Rivera, Gamboa, Samaniego, Kahnle, Olds, Martinez, La Sorsa, Anderson, Burgos and others in hopes 2-3 rise up.

We may need near perfect health, but our bench did well this year and will be back next year, too.

Anthony and Mead could be solid to great 2027 pluses.

I'm not counting on Casas, Romy and Campbell, but one of two could be a force. The rest of the everyday bench is pretty nice

C: Wong, Gasper, Jo Garcia

1B: Romy, Gasper, Casas, Brannon

2B: Sogard, Seigler, Romy, Monasterio

3B: Monasterio, Seigler, Sogard, Romy, Eaton

OF: Duran or Anthony, White, Jones, Campbell

DH: Casas, Romy, Brannon, Campbell

The pitching may overly rely on returning IL pitchers like Crochet, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo, Kelly, Slaten & maybe even Valera.

With just Crochet, Slaten & Kelly returning, our 13 man looks like:

SP: Crochet, Tolle, Bennett, Suarez, Bello

RP: Chapman, Whitlock, Miller, Slaten, Guerrero, Weissert, Moran, Kelly

The starter depth would rely on Houck, Crawford, Oviedo and then Wehunt, Paez, Holobetz, Ziehl, Burgos.

The pen depth: Gamboa, Rivera, Bastardo, Olds, Samaniego, Song

Pretty sad. Already talking about next year. Too bad BresLOW dropped the ball this winter. He missed a good opportunity to field a competitive team. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Tedballgame said:

I would want another dependable starter and another good bullpen guy

Can we get through this year’s postseason first?

[notin]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Pretty sad. Already talking about next year. Too bad BresLOW dropped the ball this winter. He missed a good opportunity to field a competitive team. 

Third best record in the AL isn’t competitive?  Are people serious here? 

 

[illinoisredsox]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Third best record in the AL isn’t competitive?  Are people serious here? 

 

Have to remember the mantra for far too many here

Must

Win

Every

Inning

[FredLynn]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

Third best record in the AL isn’t competitive?  Are people serious here? 

 

Are we being considered as serious contenders for a ring? If not we aren’t competitive. Getting a ring is the goal, not making the playoffs for another one and done-which is what it’s looking like now. 

[notin]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Are we being considered as serious contenders for a ring? If not we aren’t competitive. Getting a ring is the goal, not making the playoffs for another one and done-which is what it’s looking like now. 

So what are the qualifications to be a serious contender for a ring? 

[notin]

6 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

Have to remember the mantra for far too many here

Must

Win

Every

Inning

I think far too many on here think “this team sucks!! They make 27 outs EVERY GAME!!”

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

So what are the qualifications to be a serious contender for a ring? 

Well we aren’t it. The qualifications start with having enough talent to be in the top 3-4 team’s oddsmakers view as likely WS winners. But it all starts with having enough talent to have a decent chance to win a championship.

Do we have that kind of talent? Keep in mind we are tied for #5-8 according to oddsmakers at 14:1. Not good enough and could have been better had the GM done his job. 

[FredLynn]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

I think far too many on here think “this team sucks!! They make 27 outs EVERY GAME!!”

Not EVERY game. Sometimes we make only 24 outs. We don’t suck. We’re just not good enough. 

[notin]

32 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Well we aren’t it. The qualifications start with having enough talent to be in the top 3-4 team’s oddsmakers view as likely WS winners. But it all starts with having enough talent to have a decent chance to win a championship.

Do we have that kind of talent? Keep in mind we are tied for #5-8 according to oddsmakers at 14:1. Not good enough and could have been better had the GM done his job. 

Oh how convenient.  We just missed out on the definition by Vegas odds, which are solely based on team baseball ability and don’t take anything else into account, like volume of action on each team, etc.

42-16 in their past 58 games - more than a third of a season - and you’re still mad that the Sox didn’t build the team your way …

[Tedballgame]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think that might be all we do.

Maybe Gray comes back or we get another SP'er.

Brez may take the same pen approach- add guys like Guerrero, Coulombe, Rivera, Gamboa, Samaniego, Kahnle, Olds, Martinez, La Sorsa, Anderson, Burgos and others in hopes 2-3 rise up.

We may need near perfect health, but our bench did well this year and will be back next year, too.

Anthony and Mead could be solid to great 2027 pluses.

I'm not counting on Casas, Romy and Campbell, but one of two could be a force. The rest of the everyday bench is pretty nice

C: Wong, Gasper, Jo Garcia

1B: Romy, Gasper, Casas, Brannon

2B: Sogard, Seigler, Romy, Monasterio

3B: Monasterio, Seigler, Sogard, Romy, Eaton

OF: Duran or Anthony, White, Jones, Campbell

DH: Casas, Romy, Brannon, Campbell

The pitching may overly rely on returning IL pitchers like Crochet, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo, Kelly, Slaten & maybe even Valera.

With just Crochet, Slaten & Kelly returning, our 13 man looks like:

SP: Crochet, Tolle, Bennett, Suarez, Bello

RP: Chapman, Whitlock, Miller, Slaten, Guerrero, Weissert, Moran, Kelly

The starter depth would rely on Houck, Crawford, Oviedo and then Wehunt, Paez, Holobetz, Ziehl, Burgos.

The pen depth: Gamboa, Rivera, Bastardo, Olds, Samaniego, Song

Don't rule out a trade or two.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, scs1918 said:

Now we know we are playing best of 3 at Yankee stadium.

I see Tolle and Gray as starters for game 1 and 2. It may be Tolle to start us out.

In the next 25 games who do we think is going to be the third starter ???

Good and bad with today's game:

Bad we don't have a chance at a home game in first round of playoffs. Which should be a best of 5, stupid you play 162 games to do best of 3? They did that in NBA forever ago and they played an 82 game schedule.

  Good we can take our time with the lineup and the innings and days off for the pitchers.

We could tank and avoid playing the Yanks.

Seriously, the 3 starters in NY would be...

1. Gray

2. Tolle

3. Bennett

That's pretty good.

[Tedballgame]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Can we get through this year’s postseason first?

Sure we can. His post was just about next year's roster which I replied to. Sorry if you are offended.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

Don't rule out a trade or two.

With Brez, at least 3-4 trades are mandatory.

They may not be very major, since we kinda ran out of prospect trade candidates.

Arias will not be traded.

Story, Yoshida and Duran will be very difficult to trade.

We can trade:

White or Jones

One from Romy, Monasterio, Seigler and Sogard.

Maybe we trade Oviedo, Houck, Crawford, Slaten or Bello but for what?

I think we keep Campbell, but maybe not.

None of these trades will bring back a Gray, Contreras, Rutschman or Mead.

As for prospects, Primera is too far away to have great value and too much upside to consider losing that upside. That leaves Gonzalez who could end up as our next 1Bman or LF'er. Godbout won't bring what we need, even if packaged with Holobetz, Paez, Wehunt or Ziehl.

My guess is we make some minor trades, maybe dump one from Yoshida or Story and finally make that long-awaited Duran deal. Maybe we try to shed Bello and or Campbell's back-ended deals. (I doubt this last one.)

Okay, what do we get back for Seigler, White, Oviedo & Slaten?

See where I'm going with this?

I think we sign a SP'er (maybe even Gray.) We fill our other needs via minor deals & signings.

 

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

Sure we can. His post was just about next year's roster which I replied to. Sorry if you are offended.

Yes. Thinking of next year does not man we are giving up on 2026.

If anyone thinks Brez is only thinking of 2026, the fact that Rut, Miller, White and Mead are all under control for more than 2026. There were no rental trades.