Cora and 4 coaches sacked!

[Old Red]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Henry wanted Mookie traded. Dombo politely declined, smartly. Henry fired Dombo. End scene.

I don’t know if Henry actually told DD, or Bloom to actually trade Mookie, but it was apparent the Red Sox were not going to be able to resign Mookie.

[notin]

16 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i wish we had kept Mookie and DD and traded Henry.

A more realistic alternate timeline eould be if Price didn’t get injured in 2017 and then opted out a year later, would the Sox have been able to keep Mookie?

But Zack Scott did kill that notion when he admitted the Sox basically misread how much Mookie would get…

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

They/we only see their favorite stars jettisoned from Boston over and over since the last title.

What the casuals are concerned about doesn't bother me.  They're entitled to their opinions, but the fact that some of of them wanted (and still do) Alonso, Bregman, and Bichette over Contreras, Durbin and Suarez is not a consideration to me.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t know if Henry actually told DD, or Bloom to actually trade Mookie, but it was apparent the Red Sox were not going to be able to resign Mookie.

They were able to. They didn't want to.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

So now Bregman’s contract was a conspiracy to trade Devers?  That does lead to two  painfully obvious questions.

Half of everything discussed in the RSN is based on conspiracy and conjecture.  It couldn't possibly be that we had a DH and four good outfielders, and that Devers was a good, but not great, DH, making $32M.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

And are you calling that a scene because it’s pure fiction?

Per NBC Boston and Tom Verducci, Dombrowski was exploring trades for Betts, including one with the Dodgers allegedly involving Will Smith.  That doesn’t sound like he declined.

But I am open to any and all sources saying otherwise…

DD had a trade package in hand and decided not to go through with it. 

[JoeBrady]

32 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Some of the DET financial commitments were foisted on him by ownership. Hard to put that on DD. 

Which ones?

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They were able to. They didn't want to.

Fair enough. To expensive for their taste.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Fair, but what inspired that change in direction? He wanted to stop being successful for no reason?

I could see that change being inspired by the facts (plus others) I mentioned concerning the 2019 team…

That part is easy:

• 84 wins
• Highest payroll in baseball
• 30th ranked farm.

To me, it's like discussing Cora's firing.  One can discuss the merits, but one cannot deny that there were certainly good reasons to do so.

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

What the casuals are concerned about doesn't bother me.  They're entitled to their opinions, but the fact that some of of them wanted (and still do) Alonso, Bregman, and Bichette over Contreras, Durbin and Suarez is not a consideration to me.

Things have to play out for the rest of the season to actually see what was, or what would have been the best way to go. Right now the Con Man, and Ranger are winning out.

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

But what about the drop in performance? His last team, the 2015 Tigers, won 74 games, 4 fewer than Cherington’s ladt place Red Sox team….

Wow, DD had taken over a Tigers team that was below .500 for 8 straight seasons. It took them 9 years to get back to the playoffs after firing DD. Yuck.

DD had 8 seasons above .500. If you exclude the DD years, you have to go back to 1986 to total 8 seasons above .500. Double Yuck.

DD is the best thing to happen to that franchise since the 1980's. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Which ones?

Prince Fielder

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Wow, DD had taken over a Tigers team that was below .500 for 8 straight seasons. It took them 9 years to get back to the playoffs after firing DD. Yuck.

DD had 8 seasons above .500. If you exclude the DD years, you have to go back to 1986 to total 8 seasons above .500. Double Yuck.

DD is the best thing to happen to that franchise since the 1980's. 

No argument.

But that doesn’t change that the second they underperformed, he was out the door.  Thats probably not a coincidence.

Not sure what you’re arguing about.  They had a great run under him, and the second it showed signs of stopping, he was let go.  Same as in Boston…

[notin]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Prince Fielder

So the one he got out of?  The trade of Fielder for Kinsler was a great salary/baseball move for Detroit….

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

So the one he got out of?  The trade of Fielder for Kinsler was a great salary/baseball move for Detroit….

You're not really getting out of it if you're paying towards the contract in 2020. 

[moonslav59]

59 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You’re ALWAYS on the wrong side of Memphis. If Fred said JH is cheap 1000 times you’d think it’s your obligation to say is not, is not, is not 1000 times back.

You obviously cannot follow the conversation.

Typical.

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Wow, DD had taken over a Tigers team that was below .500 for 8 straight seasons. It took them 9 years to get back to the playoffs after firing DD. Yuck.

DD had 8 seasons above .500. If you exclude the DD years, you have to go back to 1986 to total 8 seasons above .500. Double Yuck.

DD is the best thing to happen to that franchise since the 1980's. 

I'd say Theo was the best "thing" that happened to the Sox franchise since the 80's. I agree on the Tigers statement.

The spending levels went way up right before and during DD's time. That helped.

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

No argument.

But that doesn’t change that the second they underperformed, he was out the door.  Thats probably not a coincidence.

Not sure what you’re arguing about.  They had a great run under him, and the second it showed signs of stopping, he was let go.  Same as in Boston…

I didn't care about the drop in performance part of your original argument. You asked me about it and I followed up. Seems dumb that they dumped him right as there was a quick downturn. 

Payroll ranking by year:

15: 6

16: 4

17: 5

18: 16

19: 22

They haven't been a top half of the league in payroll since getting out from under the contracts that were from DD/Illich Sr. 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd say Theo was the best "thing" since the 80's.

The spending levels went way up right before and during DD's time. That helped.

Theo worked for the Tigers? 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Theo worked for the Tigers? 

I fixed my post shortly after clicking "submit."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

Half of everything discussed in the RSN is based on conspiracy and conjecture. 

Good guess.