Padres (Buehler) vs Red Sox (Suarez): 4/5/26, 1:35pm

[mvp 78]

15 hours ago, Josh Bordes said:

I think it's pretty clear Cora has been checked out for a couple years now... he will ride out this contract and then go be a GM or back to TV...

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[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, notin said:

Maybe if they fire Cora?

This team has played bad baseball for years. They keep switching the players, but it hasn't fixed the problem. It has to be the coaching at this point. 

[moonslav59]

Mayer should be at SS.

Weissert should maybe be the mop-up man or demoted for a while, at least.

The line-up needs an adjustment, but likely won't help much, unless certain players start hitting- namely Story & Durbin.

I have to think Duran & Contreras will come around,  but right now, both are under .600.

 

[mvp 78]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Tibbs and Ehrhard were not even close to top prospects.

Okay, Jh Garcia was ranked 6th, but we also got Samaniego with Oviedo, and the jury is still firmly out on this deal.

Tibbs was ranked 7th or so in a fairly strong system. 

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Tibbs was ranked 7th or so in a fairly strong system. 

Yes, I mentioned that in a follow up post.

Is #7 a "top prospect?" I guess it's all  relative.

It was a bad trade. We knew it at the time, too.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, I mentioned that in a follow up post.

Is #7 a "top prospect?" I guess it's all  relative.

It was a bad trade. We knew it at the time, too.

The three guys after him were: Brandon Clarke, Juan Valera and Connelly Early. I think that makes him a top prospect. It was a pretty strong system going into the trade deadline. 

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

The three guys after him were: Brandon Clarke, Juan Valera and Connelly Early. I think that makes him a top prospect. It was a pretty strong system going into the trade deadline. 

Yup, it does seem it's all relative.

 

[jad]

13 hours ago, notin said:

Maybe if they fire Cora?

Cora isn't the one swinging bats, or shipping his best players to the west coast.

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, jad said:

Cora isn't the one swinging bats, or shipping his best players to the west coast.

He's the common denominator for the underperformance the past 8 years. 

[Nick]

16 hours ago, iortiz said:

BTW Weissert must be sent to AAA or DFAed. Guy cost us another game. 

He throws just hard enough to get hit HARD. That's always been my opinion of him.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, Nick said:

He throws just hard enough to get hit HARD. That's always been my opinion of him.

2.54 xFIP

[mvp 78]

The WBC did wonders for Weissert.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Cora isn't the one swinging bats, or shipping his best players to the west coast.

But he is the one not changing anything regardless of failure.  And apparently the one not re-arranging the defense out of fear of talking to players…

[notin]

38 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The WBC did wonders for Weissert.

 

Apparently many of the WBC players are off to slow starts…

[jad]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

Apparently many of the WBC players are off to slow starts…

Ohtani? Abreu?    Lots of MLB players are having slow starts; lots of MLB players are not having slow starts.   That's how it goes.  All that's clear after 9 games is that the RS suck.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, jad said:

Ohtani? Abreu?    Lots of MLB players are having slow starts; lots of MLB players are not having slow starts.   That's how it goes.  All that's clear after 9 games is that the RS suck.

Offense

27th in runs

25th in bb%

26th in k%

Pitching

28th hr/9

28th xERA

[FredLynn]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Saying Buehler was worse is not a defense of the stab in the dark May trade.

We are known for those types of deadline trades, and nobody is happy about it.

Deals like Matz and even the Luis Garcia/Lucas Sims deals are better "stabs," but our choices of SP'er trade targets have been horrific.

Breslow needs to be fired. He stinks at his job. I realize that he has limitations because the owner is a cheapskate but the decisions he has made have been generally awful

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Breslow needs to be fired. He stinks at his job. I realize that he has limitations because the owner is a cheapskate but the decisions he has made have been generally awful

Ignoring the most recent offseason:

Good deals

Verdugo for Fitts, Weissert, Judice

Ammons for Slaten

Santos and Robertson for O'Neill

Criswell one year FA '24

Claimed Romy Gonzalez on waivers

Schreiber for Sandlin

Yorke for Priester

Rodriguez for Narvaez

Teel, Montgomery, Meidroth and Gonzalez for Crochet

Booser for Fajardo

Gasper for Moran

Newcomb MiLB deal

Alex Bregman FA '25

Jordan for Matz

 

Bad deals

Sale for Grissom

Giolito FA '24

Paulino, Cofffey and Batista for Jansen

Portes for Sims

Kavadas, Zeferjahn, Lugo and Vargas for Garcia

Hendriks FA '24

Sandoval FA '25

Buehler FA '25

Priester for Rodriguez, Holobetz and Comp Pick

Devers for Harrison, Hicks, Tibbs and Bello

Tibbs and Ehrhard for May

 

It's been kind of a mixed bag TBH. Some seemingly shrewd moves and some boneheaded ones thrown in. 

[Nick]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

2.54 xFIP

sorry, long time fan but I'm not sure what that means?

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Nick said:

sorry, long time fan but I'm not sure what that means?

FIP is a metric called Fielding Independent Pitching that estimates a pitcher's expected run prevention independent of the defensive performance surrounding them. xFIP takes that and replaces the pitcher's home run total with an expected home run total. 

I just noticed that Weissert looked much better via xFIP than anything else because he's been hammered so badly. xFIP assumes that eventually his numbers will come back down over time and that he's just stuck in SSS right now. 

[Jasonbay44]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

He was 7th on soxprospects,com, which is higher than I remember, but I still wouldn't say "top prospect."

Decent prospects, yes.

The Buehler signing was worse.

Buehler signing was terrible but trading Devers for Tibbs and then flipping tibbs for DUSTIN MAY is egregious negligence. 

[mvp 78]

Devers, Drohan, Hamilton and $22M for Durbin, May, Monasterio, Seigler, Ziehl, Bello

🫥

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Buehler signing was terrible but trading Devers for Tibbs and then flipping tibbs for DUSTIN MAY is egregious negligence. 

Devers was a salary/malcontent dump. The return was similar to the Carl Crawford dump.

Tibbs was not the "prize," IMO. It was Harrison, who was flipped for Durbin. (Not that that is anything wonderful.)

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Devers was a salary/malcontent dump. The return was similar to the Carl Crawford dump.

Tibbs was not the "prize," IMO. It was Harrison, who was flipped for Durbin. (Not that that is anything wonderful.)

He was the 4th ranked prospect for the Giants at the time of the trade. He wasn't exactly a slouch.

[notin]

2 hours ago, jad said:

Ohtani? Abreu?    Lots of MLB players are having slow starts; lots of MLB players are not having slow starts.   That's how it goes.  All that's clear after 9 games is that the RS suck.

Mostly the pitchers.  Suarez, Skenes, Logan Webb, Matthew Boyd, Imanaga, etc…

[notin]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He was the 4th ranked prospect for the Giants at the time of the trade. He wasn't exactly a slouch.

Ultimately he was the chief consolation prize for San Fran taking the entire contract…

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Offense

27th in runs

25th in bb%

26th in k%

Pitching

28th hr/9

28th xERA

somebody needs to tell Henry's "geeks and nerds" that those numbers are bad.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

somebody needs to tell Henry's "geeks and nerds" that those numbers are bad.

They can nerd their way out of the bad numbers and find ways to convince themselves that the players have actually been playing well. 

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Ignoring the most recent offseason:

Good deals

Verdugo for Fitts, Weissert, Judice

Ammons for Slaten

Santos and Robertson for O'Neill

Criswell one year FA '24

Claimed Romy Gonzalez on waivers

Schreiber for Sandlin

Yorke for Priester

Rodriguez for Narvaez

Teel, Montgomery, Meidroth and Gonzalez for Crochet

Booser for Fajardo

Gasper for Moran

Newcomb MiLB deal

Alex Bregman FA '25

Jordan for Matz

 

Bad deals

Sale for Grissom

Giolito FA '24

Paulino, Cofffey and Batista for Jansen

Portes for Sims

Kavadas, Zeferjahn, Lugo and Vargas for Garcia

Hendriks FA '24

Sandoval FA '25

Buehler FA '25

Priester for Rodriguez, Holobetz and Comp Pick

Devers for Harrison, Hicks, Tibbs and Bello

Tibbs and Ehrhard for May

 

It's been kind of a mixed bag TBH. Some seemingly shrewd moves and some boneheaded ones thrown in. 

it's not a mixed bag. the "good" deals you mention, other than Crochet, Narvaez and Priester are all "meh" deals. the bad deals are mostly REALLY REALLY bad. actually, they're f***ing horrendous.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

it's not a mixed bag. the "good" deals you mention, other than Crochet, Narvaez and Priester are all "meh" deals. the bad deals are mostly REALLY REALLY bad. actually, they're f***ing horrendous.

The Verdugo/O'Neill trades and Romy find are also very good deals. The FA misses are whatever to me. 

Sale was egregious, but he was able to trade for Crochet. 

If I say too much about the Devers trade again I'll get yelled at. 

The worry is that the this offseason hasn't looked so hot. If these guys don't pan out, there's a lot of work to do with a farm system that took a HUGE hit.