Red Sox Trim Opening Day Roster, Option Kristian Campbell

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

What top prospects are growing on MLB benches?  I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

We’ve seen some of these early extension guys spend a big chunk of their careers in the minors, like Scott Kingery.

Kingery still has 2 options left! 

Probably will make a good manager someday. 

[moonslav59]

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They tried to and Casas said no. 

But, apparently, because they tried, one poster sees it as evidence of things able to go wrongly.

[drewski6]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

What top prospects are growing on MLB benches?  I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

We’ve seen some of these early extension guys spend a big chunk of their careers in the minors, like Scott Kingery.

Dominguez? Rushing?

[notin]

4 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Dominguez? Rushing?

Rushing is a good example, I guess.  Of course the catcher learning curve is different, but it’s odd that they keep him on the bench while he is blocked and is such good trade bait.  I suppose Drake Baldwin kind of fit in here, too, last year.

Dominguez has already been demoted this year.  His benching last year felt more like he simply lost a starting job..

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Dominguez? Rushing?

Rushing was called up in mid May. He started 37 games as the back-up Catcher and 1 at 1B. I think the Catcher position is different, because even a FT catcher rarely plays 80% of the games at C. Learning the staff is a big part of getting ready to play Catcher near FT at the MLB level.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Rushing is a good example, I guess.  Of course the catcher learning curve is different, but it’s odd that they keep him on the bench while he is blocked and is such good trade bait.  I suppose Drake Baldwin kind of fit in here, too, last year.

Dominguez has already been demoted this year.  His benching last year felt more like he simply lost a starting job..

They carried him as a platoon / 4th OF'er, who they were fine just not playing everyday.  My only point here is "you dont call up a prospect unless you have a full time role for him" - is not applied 100% like it use to be.  Of course, most future players are growing in the minors - but there is something to be said for being around an MLB ballclub as well.  And its not like they cant get reps against ML pitching before/after games.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

But, apparently, because they tried, one poster sees it as evidence of things able to go wrongly.

Casas is still SUSPECT. Mayer is still a SUSPECT, and KC has to improve again to be a SUSPECT. All 3 can go either way.🤔

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

They carried him as a platoon / 4th OF'er, who they were fine just not playing everyday.  My only point here is "you dont call up a prospect unless you have a full time role for him" - is not applied 100% like it use to be.  Of course, most future players are growing in the minors - but there is something to be said for being around an MLB ballclub as well.  And its not like they cant get reps against ML pitching before/after games.

Things have changed, but starting just 30% of all games and maybe PH'ing here and there might still be reason enough to rather have him play every games in AAA, so he can learn more and improve more quickly.

It's probably more case by case than the old days, when promising, younger prospects were treated differently.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Casas is still SUSPECT. Mayer is still a SUSPECT, and KC has to improve again to be a SUSPECT. All 3 can go either way.🤔

Wow, none of us knew this. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why are posters still talking about the possibility of a Campbell promotion if he starts hitting again? 

He can't play anywhere in the field at a big league level -- and ballplayers don't suddenly have a hot month with the glove worthy of the majors. 

Fans have to face the fact that mastering any defensive position takes many, many reps in game situations over multiple seasons. That's where the phrase "he needs some seasoning" originates. I even just made that up but it makes sense...

If KC is batting .400 with 40 bombs the only place a contender can stick him is at DH -- and we all know the Sox are set there with a handful of rotating regulars.

Put it this way: if Campbell gets called up, it means Boston is in trouble... with either several injuries or face-plants in the batting order.

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Kingery still has 2 options left! 

Probably will make a good manager someday. 

Kingery made the CHC Opening Day roster.

 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Wow, none of us knew this. 

Not everyone moons over Suspects. Some wait to they actually produce in a big league uniform.

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Dominguez? Rushing?

Dominguez played in 129 G. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Wow, none of us knew this. 

Contreras is a suspect as I have not watched him over 162 games! 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Why are posters still talking about the possibility of a Campbell promotion if he starts hitting again? 

He can't play anywhere in the field at a big league level

He is a fine OFer. 

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Dominguez played in 129 G. 

And a lot of those were substitutions because they had 4 outfielders.  And even that number of games played, some people would shy away from. Plus thats boosted for injuries/games off to other OF'ers.  For a long stretch last year, Dominguez was considered a future contributor , who was on the MLB club without an everyday role and an every day position.  And my only point is thats fine and its happening more these days.  

Id be okay with KC getting ML run without a permanent , full time role at a position.  If he cant play everyday thats fine.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Why are posters still talking about the possibility of a Campbell promotion if he starts hitting again? 

He can't play anywhere in the field at a big league level -- and ballplayers don't suddenly have a hot month with the glove worthy of the majors. 

Fans have to face the fact that mastering any defensive position takes many, many reps in game situations over multiple seasons. That's where the phrase "he needs some seasoning" originates. I even just made that up but it makes sense...

If KC is batting .400 with 40 bombs the only place a contender can stick him is at DH -- and we all know the Sox are set there with a handful of rotating regulars.

Put it this way: if Campbell gets called up, it means Boston is in trouble... with either several injuries or face-plants in the batting order.

Well said. According to a Woo broadcaster I heard in an interview the other day that KC was pretty messed up when he was sent back to WOO, and it took him quite a while before he started hitting. He also looked pretty bad at 1B. As the broadcaster said KC was rushed, and it not only backfired, but set KC back a year that he still hasn’t recovered from. Now it looks like he’s strictly OF, so he has even less options for a job.

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Why are posters still talking about the possibility of a Campbell promotion if he starts hitting again? 

He can't play anywhere in the field at a big league level -- and ballplayers don't suddenly have a hot month with the glove worthy of the majors. 

Fans have to face the fact that mastering any defensive position takes many, many reps in game situations over multiple seasons. That's where the phrase "he needs some seasoning" originates. I even just made that up but it makes sense...

If KC is batting .400 with 40 bombs the only place a contender can stick him is at DH -- and we all know the Sox are set there with a handful of rotating regulars.

Put it this way: if Campbell gets called up, it means Boston is in trouble... with either several injuries or face-plants in the batting order.

Thats just not true. IF he hit .400 wiht 40 bombs you can put him at literally any position and he'll be a huge positive.  80% of WAR comes from offense.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He is a fine OFer. 

He's fine on defense as a DH.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras is a suspect as I have not watched him over 162 games! 

AH, but many others have. Of course he is getting older.

[drewski6]

Nobody in MLB is strictly one position, set-in stone. For every single player, there is a series of injuries/slumps/circumstances that will result in that player playing a position that isnt their usual position.

[drewski6]

If Campbell is a significantly  better hitter than any of our 8 non-catcher position players, then Campbell will get called up and they'll make it work somehow.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If Campbell is a significantly  better hitter than any of our 8 non-catcher position players, then Campbell will get called up and they'll make it work somehow.

They intentionally played poor hitting Rafaela out of position when they couldn't figure out 2b. If they have KC mashing in AAA, they'll make room. At the very least, they'll give him a parttime shot. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

AH, but many others have. Of course he is getting older.

He's getting older? I hope none of the other players are getting older!!!

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He's fine on defense as a DH.

Have you seen his dWAR as a DH? Terrible! 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thats just not true. IF he hit .400 wiht 40 bombs you can put him at literally any position and he'll be a huge positive.  

He'd probably be a terrible starting pitcher even with the 40 bombs. 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

They intentionally played poor hitting Rafaela out of position when they couldn't figure out 2b. If they have KC mashing in AAA, they'll make room. At the very least, they'll give him a parttime shot. 

Right now that if is a big IF.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's getting older? I hope none of the other players are getting older!!!

Yes they are, but none of the other regulars will catch up.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He's so fine, if he played for our beer league team, he'd be fined every game for insufficient fun.

But someone's gotta pay the postgame tab (though everyone contributes, since we're all fine-minus).

[drewski6]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They intentionally played poor hitting Rafaela out of position when they couldn't figure out 2b. If they have KC mashing in AAA, they'll make room. At the very least, they'll give him a parttime shot. 

Agreed.