The Athletic Confirms Boston's "Aggressive" Offer for Alex Bregman

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Yes, why not?  Pleasing the fans is what makes the money roll in. 

Pleasing some fans. It doesn't bother me, at all.

I kinda like suspense.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

MLB FA is just a complete joke. All the other major sports FA moves along MUCH MUCH quicker than baseball does. Sox are simply waiting out to sign the last man standing on a 1 yr deal with maybe a 2nd yr option. In the meantime they will sign a few M/L FA's like they did yesterday. If they actually add someone decent in FA it will be around March 15th.

It’s slow and occasionally frustrating, but wrapping up free agency sooner isnt going to get the season here faster.

 

If everyone signed deals and rosters were in place by November 30, what would we talk about until April?

 

 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s slow and occasionally frustrating, but wrapping up free agency sooner isnt going to get the season here faster.

If everyone signed deals and rosters were in place by November 30, what would we talk about until April?

That's how I see it.

Plus, the MLB season is so long, that it's fitting the offseason is dragged out, too.

Imagine having a horrible winter hot stove period, then having to wait 3-4 months in agony with no hope for any improvements. I guess the trading period would still be available, but still...

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

If Bregman and Bichette sign soon, Suarez could sign shortly afterwards.

I think he gets 2 years, maybe a 3rd year option.

A one year deal might include a 2nd year option with a decent buyout number for Suarez.

$22M/1 and option for '27 at $21M but with a $5M buyout making it a $43M/2 or $27M/1 deal.

He might get 2 yrs but I doubt it is from the Red Sox unless the $$ bare lower than what you are predicting-- 15-16 million per MAX

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

If everyone signed deals and rosters were in place by November 30, what would we talk about until April?

There is a lot to be said about the poker game between the FA and the player.  I find a lot of interest in how players and teams come off the board.  IRT Bregman, I think AZ just fell off the board with the Marte announcement.  That leaves the RS, maybe the Tigers, maybe the Cubs.  At some point, either the teams or the players will run out of options.

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

He might get 2 yrs but I doubt it is from the Red Sox unless the $$ bare lower than what you are predicting-- 15-16 million per MAX

The Sox have been giving our more two year deals, recently. I guess it depends on how desperate they feel and what the trade options are.

Gio got two. Sandoval got two. Chapman got 1 with an option as an extension. Hendriks got two. Bregman got 3 with opt outs. It's not all one and dones anymore.

His age is a major concern. 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

There is a lot to be said about the poker game between the FA and the player.  I find a lot of interest in how players and teams come off the board.  IRT Bregman, I think AZ just fell off the board with the Marte announcement.  That leaves the RS, maybe the Tigers, maybe the Cubs.  At some point, either the teams or the players will run out of options.

I still think if some team ups their offer for KMarte, AZ will trade him, if they like the deal.

It would not be the first time a GM said "we aren't trading ____," then they do.

We do need to look elsewhere, though. To me it's...

Plan A: Bregman

Plan B is an extreme longshot: Bichette

Plan C: Suarez or a trade (Paredes, Donovan, Vientos, ____?)

Plan D: Mayer/Romy/Eaton 3B and Romy/DHam/Sogard (Rafaela/Campbell?) 2B

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, notin said:

It’s slow and occasionally frustrating, but wrapping up free agency sooner isnt going to get the season here faster.

 

If everyone signed deals and rosters were in place by November 30, what would we talk about until April?

WBC

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This free agency seasonS is going exactly as predicted. Boras and Bregman are holding up basically all the position players from signing, while they're waiting and hoping their prices will rise as Plan B, C, D, Elimenopee!!!

Worst of all, the Red Sox can't complete their roster until Spring Training or Saint Patrick's Day or April Fool's Day/April Sox Fans Day or Opening Day of Fishing Season.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Someone will love to counter with "all position players? What about Alonso?"

I meant infielders; we all know Polar Bear's position is bat-swinging hard.

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The Sox have been giving our more two year deals, recently. I guess it depends on how desperate they feel and what the trade options are.

Gio got two. Sandoval got two. Chapman got 1 with an option as an extension. Hendriks got two. Bregman got 3 with opt outs. It's not all one and dones anymore.

His age is a major concern. 

the only reason those pitchers got 2 years was because the first year they could not pitch due to injury and as a result were signifigant dumb overpays.

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I still think if some team ups their offer for KMarte, AZ will trade him, if they like the deal.

It would not be the first time a GM said "we aren't trading ____," then they do.

We do need to look elsewhere, though. To me it's...

Plan A: Bregman

Plan B is an extreme longshot: Bichette

Plan C: Suarez or a trade (Paredes, Donovan, Vientos, ____?)

Plan D: Mayer/Romy/Eaton 3B and Romy/DHam/Sogard (Rafaela/Campbell?) 2B

think plan D

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

the only reason those pitchers got 2 years was because the first year they could not pitch due to injury and as a result were signifigant dumb overpays.

No. Gio was healthy when signed. The injury happened after the signing.

Chapman is not injured.

Jansen and Martin were not injured, but they signed 3 years ago.

It is still rare, but it's happening more in the last 2-3 years than it did from the Nate signing until Jansen. Martin Perez was given 1 + an option, then re-signed for another 1+1. Diekman was given 2, then traded after 3 months. I think that's it from 2019 to 2023.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

think plan D

Or Plan E: Rengifo or Willi Castro.

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

No. Gio was healthy when signed. The injury happened after the signing.

Chapman is not injured.

Jansen and Martin were not injured, but they signed 3 years ago.

It is still rare, but it's happening more in the last 2-3 years than it did from the Nate signing until Jansen. Martin Perez was given 1 + an option, then re-signed for another 1+1. Diekman was given 2, then traded after 3 months. I think that's it from 2019 to 2023.

i was referring to Gioloto but not Chapman.  Forgot  Gioloto got injured in ST but nonetheless gave us LESS than a full season. The others WERE injured long term when we signed them.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i was referring to Gioloto but not Chapman.  Forgot  Gioloto got injured in ST but nonetheless gave us LESS than a full season. The others WERE injured long term when we signed them.

Yes, and the plan that they'd pitch part of season 1 never worked out.

[Randy Red Sox]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, and the plan that they'd pitch part of season 1 never worked out.

Bregman now gone to the Cubs. What do you do now Moon ??