Red Sox Trade The Password

[Larry Cook]

18 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Prediction: they'll sign Bregman and trade a pitcher for Yandy Diaz and be done.

Tampa likes Red Sox pitchers with potential as much as Boston likes Tommy John underwear: Dobbins or Crawford or Harrison, buh-bye. One of those guys has to be Jalen Beeks-Jeffrey Springs-Zach Littell enough...

Haha!!  Cutter seems like a guy that could go to Tampa and win 12 games and bres-slow would be ripped for trading him!!!! 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Isn’t he from Brooklyn??  Not the most family friendly type neighborhood.   Have you any proof he is nice to his mother??? 

I was going to mention that he is from my Bronx; but he didn't go to HS here, so I didn't bother.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Prediction: they'll sign Bregman and trade a pitcher for Yandy Diaz and be done.

Tampa likes Red Sox pitchers with potential as much as Boston likes Tommy John underwear: Dobbins or Crawford or Harrison, buh-bye. One of those guys has to be Jalen Beeks-Jeffrey Springs-Zach Littell enough...

I could see that happening, but I get the sense Brez & Co are content with Casas at 1B. I'd rather Casas DH and go with Alonso at 1B and maybe Polanco at 2B (Mayer/Romy at 3B). The other big option would be Schwarber at DH, Casas/Romy at 1B, Mayer/Romy at 2B and Bregman or Suarez at 3B. (Suarez will be cheaper and shorter term, and with a KS signing, even he might be too expensive for JH.

[JoeBrady]

8 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Haha!!  Cutter seems like a guy that could go to Tampa and win 12 games and bres-slow would be ripped for trading him!!!! 

We're better than we use to be, but TB and SD are the gold standard maxing out pitcher contribution.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

We're better than we use to be, but TB and SD are the gold standard maxing out pitcher contribution.

HOU is platinum.

[notin]

On 12/6/2025 at 11:45 AM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Prediction: they'll sign Bregman and trade a pitcher for Yandy Diaz and be done.

Tampa likes Red Sox pitchers with potential as much as Boston likes Tommy John underwear: Dobbins or Crawford or Harrison, buh-bye. One of those guys has to be Jalen Beeks-Jeffrey Springs-Zach Littell enough...

Bregman and Diaz would be excellent.

I’ve said Harrison for Diaz for a while now, but Dobbins makes sense, too.  Giving up Crawford for one year of Diaz would be crazy…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

Bregman and Diaz would be excellent.

I’ve said Harrison for Diaz for a while now, but Dobbins makes sense, too.  Giving up Crawford for one year of Diaz would be crazy…

Sorry, I must have been thinking like a Red Sox exec -- recruiting a pitcher coming off an injury before we know if he'll come back as good as new or have to rehab through another season of setbacks.

[Hitch]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Bregman and Diaz would be excellent.

I’ve said Harrison for Diaz for a while now, but Dobbins makes sense, too.  Giving up Crawford for one year of Diaz would be crazy…

Why is giving up Crawford more crazy than Dobbins or Harrison?

[notin]

47 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Why is giving up Crawford more crazy than Dobbins or Harrison?

Because Crawford has established himself as a 2 WAR pitcher capable of throwing bulk innings who has over a 2 season stretch proven himself to be better than the reputation he has with many that is largely based on a bad 2 week stretch after the All Star break.

Harrison’s career IP is barely over Crawford’s 2024 total and Dobbins has but 61 IP.  While both have more control, Crawford has the much better track record and is still only in his arb years.  Most projections give him the advantage going forward.

I like Diaz for Boston, but let’s not go overboard here.  He has one year left at $12mill and he is an established top tier hitter, but he doesn’t solve any power defiencies.  Hes topped 14 home runs twice in his career and isnt likely to re-invent himself at age 34…

[Hitch]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Because Crawford has established himself as a 2 WAR pitcher capable of throwing bulk innings who has over a 2 season stretch proven himself to be better than the reputation he has with many that is largely based on a bad 2 week stretch after the All Star break.

Harrison’s career IP is barely over Crawford’s 2024 total and Dobbins has but 61 IP.  While both have more control, Crawford has the much better track record and is still only in his arb years.  Most projections give him the advantage going forward…

I'd say Crawford has the better track record for sure, but we don't know how he's coming back from two major injuries and he gave up a lot of HR's. I'm not sure his value is very high to many teams right now. It sure wouldn't be surprise to me if teams valued Dobbins higher. 

[notin]

17 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I'd say Crawford has the better track record for sure, but we don't know how he's coming back from two major injuries and he gave up a lot of HR's. I'm not sure his value is very high to many teams right now. It sure wouldn't be surprise to me if teams valued Dobbins higher. 

That would be fine with me.  I rank Dobbins third on that list.  If the argument is Crawford’s track record is nullified by injuries (one of which was a knee), what exactly is the argument in favor of Dobbins? That it will be harder for Crawford to re-establish himself than it will be for Dobbins to establish himself?  I don’t always buy into those “potential is always greater” arguments. 
 

He did give up a lot of home runs, but this is exactly what I was referring to about his reputation.  In his career, Crawford has given up 64 home runs in 392 innings.  But 12 of those came in one bad 15 inning stretch in 2024.  And that is the stretch he is constantly judged by, as opposed to the other 377 career innings…

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, notin said:

That would be fine with me.  I rank Dobbins third on that list.  If the argument is Crawford’s track record is nullified by injuries (one of which was a knee), what exactly is the argument in favor of Dobbins? That it will be harder for Crawford to re-establish himself than it will be for Dobbins to establish himself?  I don’t always buy into those “potential is always greater” arguments. 
 

He did give up a lot of home runs, but this is exactly what I was referring to about his reputation.  In his career, Crawford has given up 64 home runs in 392 innings.  But 12 of those came in one bad 15 inning stretch in 2024.  And that is the stretch he is constantly judged by, as opposed to the other 377 career innings…

Crawford has had two pretty nasty injuries pitching wise in a right knee patellar tendinopathy that sidelined him early, followed by a season-ending right wrist injury. Health wise I think he probably has more questions marks over him than Dobbins with an ACL injury, though admittedly that's subjective.

I don't think he is constantly judged just by that spell, but it has to be taken into account and can't be wished away as bad luck.

I like Kutter, but I'm mot sure he has much of any value right now. If he has, I'd be okay us using it for sure. 

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Bregman and Diaz would be excellent.

I’ve said Harrison for Diaz for a while now, but Dobbins makes sense, too.  Giving up Crawford for one year of Diaz would be crazy…

How about Crawford and DHam for 1 year each of Diaz and B Lowe.

[Old Red]

27 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

How about Crawford and DHam for 1 year each of Diaz and B Lowe.

Yea throw in DHam that’ll clinch the deal.🤭

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yea throw in DHam that’ll clinch the deal.🤭

He's the type of guy the Rays would love.

Crawford was an overpay for Diaz, so the underpay of DHam for DLowe might even it out. Maybe we need to give more... another prospect? Romy not DHam?

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

He's the type of guy the Rays would love.

Crawford was an overpay for Diaz, so the underpay of DHam for DLowe might even it out. Maybe we need to give more... another prospect? Romy not DHam?

I'm not doing Romy and Crawford for 1 year each of Lowe and Diaz. Just go for Diaz and leave Lowe there.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

I'm not doing Romy and Crawford for 1 year each of Lowe and Diaz. Just go for Diaz and leave Lowe there.

I'm not giving both, either.

Perhaps, Crawford, DHam and maybe some faraway prospect is too much.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, notin said:

I like Diaz for Boston, but let’s not go overboard here.  He has one year left at $12mill and he is an established top tier hitter, but he doesn’t solve any power defiencies.  Hes topped 14 home runs twice in his career and isnt likely to re-invent himself at age 34…

You don't believe in regency muscles? Yandy cranked 25 homers last year -- something no Red Sox batter surpassed -- and had 55 extra base hits... which would rank 2nd to Duran, only with a Bregmanesque K-rate.

Throw me a life jacket... at least a Wintogreen lifesaver!

Even though I keep acknowledging the need for HRs, my main mantra has always been contact. Boston does not need any more all-or-nothing swingers with more holes than -- I won't say Swiss cheese -- green cheese on the moon (damn, sorry Moonslav, no more bong cracks... we need more frisbees to clean up this lineup!)

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He's the type of guy the Rays would love.

Crawford was an overpay for Diaz, so the underpay of DHam for DLowe might even it out. Maybe we need to give more... another prospect? Romy not DHam?

I’d be very surprised if the rest of the league values DHam as highly as you do. Crawford would be an overpay? Why, because BTV says so?🤭

[moonslav59]

Just now, Old Red said:

I’d be very surprised if the rest of the league values DHam as highly as you do. Crawford would be an overpay? Why, because BTV says so?🤭

I'm not a member of BTV.

I don't value DHam highly. I value Crawford highly.

It's basically Crawford for two 1 year players. DHam balanced the 40 man slots.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not a member of BTV.

I don't value DHam highly. I value Crawford highly.

It's basically Crawford for two 1 year players. DHam balanced the 40 man slots.

I doubt the rest of the league values the Kut Man as highly as you do either.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I doubt the rest of the league values the Kut Man as highly as you do either.

How highly do you value one year of Diaz (turns 35 in AUG) and BLowe (turns 32 in June)?

Crawford has 3 arb years left, and 2026's will be under $3M. That has a lot of appeal to the Rays, who owe over $23M to these two guys. That's about 30% of their budget!

Maybe they say No. Maybe they say "HELL NO!" Maybe they'd prefer Harrison or Dobbins plus Perales. I'm not locked into Crawford be the most desirable of what we can offer. I just threw his name out, because I think he is more valued than Harrison, Dobbins and Perales. I'm not giving up Bello, Early or Tolle for two 1 year guys.

Would you?

[Kimmi]

On 12/5/2025 at 7:50 PM, moonslav59 said:

How many times does he have to unintentionally deceive the fans, before he learns to watch his words and promises?

It's not a lie if you say something you believe is true, even if it turns out to be false. I get that, but the fans have had to sit here and hear talk after talk that ends up being just that: talk and little action.

He was pressed to say whether he felt Gray fit the #2 starter need, and he hemmed and hawed and suddenly became less specific. Call it whatever you want, and maybe I was too harsh, but this has gone on for years.

I can't get The Smiths song out of my head...

When you say it's gonna happen now
Well, when exactly do you mean?
See, I've already waited too long
And all my hope is gone

I am in agreement with you that most front office types need to choose their words very carefully and should probably say as little as possible.    That said, if Breslow did not give any specifics and just told the press that his offseason goal was to improve the team, I don't think that would go over too well.  Inquiring minds want to know what the plan is.

At any rate, I remain hopeful that there is still a #2 pitcher coming.  I like what we have.  I think there is a lot of potential in our starting rotation.  However, there is also a lot of uncertainty.

[Kimmi]

On 12/6/2025 at 12:10 AM, notin said:

1.  He’s nice to his mother.

That's all that matters.  Be nice to your mother.

[Kimmi]

On 12/6/2025 at 9:57 AM, JoeBrady said:

I remember taking the kids on cruises.  When they were younger, my daughter only ordered spaghetti with butter.  The cruises were great, but it made me wince spending a decent amount of money and she ordered a 25-cents meal.

My son's go-to was always plain spaghetti, or spaghetti with Kraft Grated Parmesan Cheese on it.  However, he would only used the Kraft Grated Parmesan Cheese at Grandma's house.  Even though I would have the exact same brand, mine didn't taste good like Grandma's did, so he would eat the spaghetti plain.  Go figure.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

I am in agreement with you that most front office types need to choose their words very carefully and should probably say as little as possible.    That said, if Breslow did not give any specifics and just told the press that his offseason goal was to improve the team, I don't think that would go over too well.  Inquiring minds want to know what the plan is.

At any rate, I remain hopeful that there is still a #2 pitcher coming.  I like what we have.  I think there is a lot of potential in our starting rotation.  However, there is also a lot of uncertainty.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think someone said "We want a pitcher to pitch side by side with Crochet" or something like that. It was understood that a #2 was the low bar.

If they think Gray is a #2, then they should have said yes, when someone asked him if they felt he was. Instead, they hemmed and hawed and left it to us to work it out.

Then they sign Oviedo and the word is they think he has top of the rotation stuff/potential. Is he the #2? If yes, I'm LMAO!

 

[Kimmi]

On 12/6/2025 at 1:05 PM, Larry Cook said:

Haha!!  Cutter seems like a guy that could go to Tampa and win 12 games and bres-slow would be ripped for trading him!!!! 

I think we already decided earlier in the year that Breslow was not allowed to trade any starting pitching for this very reason.  It always makes me nervous to trade away starting pitching.  Actually it makes me nervous to trade any of our players.  I know it has to be done, but I don't necessarily like it.

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

How highly do you value one year of Diaz (turns 35 in AUG) and BLowe (turns 32 in June)?

Crawford has 3 arb years left, and 2026's will be under $3M. That has a lot of appeal to the Rays, who owe over $23M to these two guys. That's about 30% of their budget!

Maybe they say No. Maybe they say "HELL NO!" Maybe they'd prefer Harrison or Dobbins plus Perales. I'm not locked into Crawford be the most desirable of what we can offer. I just threw his name out, because I think he is more valued than Harrison, Dobbins and Perales. I'm not giving up Bello, Early or Tolle for two 1 year guys.

Would you?

First of all I don’t value all this arb stuff, and team control like you do depending on the situation of course. I know you like to play make believe' and there is nothing wrong with that, but I doubt there is no discussion going on about any such TARDE anyway. I don’t believe the Kut Man is going to make, or break the Red Sox season, or make, or break any trade.

[Kimmi]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think someone said "We want a pitcher to pitch side by side with Crochet" or something like that. It was understood that a #2 was the low bar.

If they think Gray is a #2, then they should have said yes, when someone asked him if they felt he was. Instead, they hemmed and hawed and left it to us to work it out.

Then they sign Oviedo and the word is they think he has top of the rotation stuff/potential. Is he the #2? If yes, I'm LMAO!

 

The fact that Breslow would not commit to whether Gray is the #2 leads me to believe that he is still looking to add a top pitcher.  It doesn't mean that he'll get it done, but he's still looking.

Gray could be a #2 pitcher.  His peripherals offer hope for that.  Like I said, the rotation, as it stands, could potentially be very good, but there is a lot of uncertainty with it.  

[notin]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

Crawford has had two pretty nasty injuries pitching wise in a right knee patellar tendinopathy that sidelined him early, followed by a season-ending right wrist injury. Health wise I think he probably has more questions marks over him than Dobbins with an ACL injury, though admittedly that's subjective.

I don't think he is constantly judged just by that spell, but it has to be taken into account and can't be wished away as bad luck.

I like Kutter, but I'm mot sure he has much of any value right now. If he has, I'd be okay us using it for sure. 

Why is it fans cling to that 15 inning stretch from Crawford as if it outweighs his other 377 IP but when it came to Sale, the feeling was his performance, or lack of, from 2019 through 2023 should have been completely ignored up to the last 40 or so innings in a 5 year stretch?