Brewers trade proposal for Duran

[moonslav59]

Just now, harmony said:

Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame😉

I woke up the echoes!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I used to drink a lot of stouts back in the day, but that's migraine city for me now. This was one of the best beers I ever had: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/63/34420/

11.4 PERCENT? That right there is why young people are buying less beer -- they either pass out or get arrested before they can drink another round.

 

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

11.4 PERCENT? That right there is why young people are buying less beer -- they either pass out or get arrested before they can drink another round.

 

They just simply don't drink anymore. Once weed was legalized, alcohol sales dipped. 

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They just simply don't drink anymore. Once weed was legalized, alcohol sales dipped. 

That was a big reason it stayed illegal for so long. The Booze lobby is strong.

[Duran Is The Man]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

There is one indisputable fact: no poster on this site did more bong hits than I did from 1977-1981.

i'll give you '77-'81, but i got '82-'87.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'll give you '77-'81, but i got '82-'87.

I was the doobie king in those years.

[Hugh2]

The greatest thing about this trade, is it should make some of us think about how insane some of our trade proposals look to other teams.

 

BTV rejects this trade, it’s accepted if the Brewers kicked in Freddy Peralta, but still labels it an overpay by Boston

[JoeBrady]

8 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

11.4 PERCENT? That right there is why young people are buying less beer -- they either pass out or get arrested before they can drink another round.

 

I use to watch the girls in LV.  They'd buy a quart of OJ and have a pocket bag full of those one-ounce bottles that airlines use.  It was a pretty cheap way of getting drunk.

[JoeBrady]

8 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

they either pass out or get arrested before they can drink another round.

That's why you have to be careful with some of these brewery bars.  If you're drinking Coors' Light or Heineken, you know exactly what to expect.  You order a strange beer that tastes great, and you don't realize it has 50% more alcohol.  I've seen good drinkers start stumbling around after 4 beers.

[notin]

15 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

The greatest thing about this trade, is it should make some of us think about how insane some of our trade proposals look to other teams.

 

BTV rejects this trade, it’s accepted if the Brewers kicked in Freddy Peralta, but still labels it an overpay by Boston

It’s a truly horrible trade proposal.    I’m not even looking at BTV.  I put that data in there, and I’m going to find that fifth outcome, the one that isn’t “Fair trade,” “major overpay”, “minor overpay” and “trade rejected.”  No, this one should scoot past all those and land right on “This cannot be f***ing serious.”

How is it supposed to happen?

“Hey Boston, we have a mildly effective but massively overpaid middle reliever and an aging AAA journeyman who pitched well out of the pen last year for the first time in 5 years.  Can we send them to you for an outfielder who’s been worth over twice as many WAR in the last two years as the young superstar were trying to build our franchise around?  Oh, thats not enough? Maybe if we through in a back of the rotation arm that barely cracked our own top ten prospects and has only had TJ surgery once and is entering his age 27 season? (And isn’t even universally listed as a top ten Brewer guy.)  Does that make it enough?  Still no? Well exactly how many table scraps are we supposed to swap for an All Star who would easily be our team MVP?”

Does he even know anyone on the Sox roster? He literally says Gasser fills a need in the backend of the Sox rotation.  Sure, the Sox need backend starters.  Big need there. Also, this post needs to inject a little sarcasm to get the point across.

If the Sox offered Crawford and Wong for Peralta, this same Brewers fan would likely  deem it an insulting offer.  And he’d be right.  It is.  But it’s also ten times better than his proposal for Duran..

[JoeBrady]

9 hours ago, notin said:

Does he even know anyone on the Sox roster?

I've seen 1000s of these suggestions over the years, as well as suggestions on FAs.  The biggest mistake is usually on the receiving end.  I mean, I wouldn't expect a Brewer fan to know the RS situation in detail, but I at least do some a modicum of research.  Even on this site, there is an article about acquiring Devin Williams.  IIRC, we had the #2 BP ERA, have Chapman at closer and Whitlock as setup.

But somebody somewhere still started an article about spending $45M or so to sign Williams as our 7th inning guy.

[notin]

On 12/6/2025 at 8:51 AM, JoeBrady said:

I've seen 1000s of these suggestions over the years, as well as suggestions on FAs.  The biggest mistake is usually on the receiving end.  I mean, I wouldn't expect a Brewer fan to know the RS situation in detail, but I at least do some a modicum of research.  Even on this site, there is an article about acquiring Devin Williams.  IIRC, we had the #2 BP ERA, have Chapman at closer and Whitlock as setup.

But somebody somewhere still started an article about spending $45M or so to sign Williams as our 7th inning guy.

It doesn’t even take much to go Fangraphs Roster  Resource and see what does and doesn’t make sense.  Even I do that, and I only post on one individual Red Sox Forum with posts read by maybe dozens of folks that don’t block me.  This blog was written as a website feature.  With his actual name attached!  And he still came out with “let’s go get an All Star with the players from the back of the roster.”   
 

If I wrote something like that in that forum, I’d change my name, delete my account, and separate from baseball entirely while I pretended the only sport I ever cared about was marble racing…

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I've seen 1000s of these suggestions over the years, as well as suggestions on FAs.  The biggest mistake is usually on the receiving end.  I mean, I wouldn't expect a Brewer fan to know the RS situation in detail, but I at least do some a modicum of research.  Even on this site, there is an article about acquiring Devin Williams.  IIRC, we had the #2 BP ERA, have Chapman at closer and Whitlock as setup.

But somebody somewhere still started an article about spending $45M or so to sign Williams as our 7th inning guy.

LOL.

Before BTV asked for money, I proposed countless Sox trades. I tried to make all of them giving more value to the other team, so I wouldn't be a "homer," but some were jokes, when you look at what I was giving up. Most were players I felt were over-valued, but the weird thing was, there were almost always more thumbs down on the Sox side of the ledger than on the other team's side.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You know a proposal is bad when the thread evolves quickly into comparisons of poster substance abuse. 

Feds take note: stringent talksox testing confirms that none of us do drugs of any kind. Speaking for myself, I've never abused addictive stuff like nicotine or caffeine. Dabbled in, but never abused... though alcohol once abused me (or was it twice).

 

[Larry Cook]

On 12/5/2025 at 9:37 AM, mvp 78 said:

 However, given Duran’s talent, the Red Sox aren’t just going to trade him to make it easier for Cora to divvy up the playing time in the outfield. 

We do not have to trade an outfielder!!  There are plenty of at bats to go around!  

However, figuring out the at bat distribution gets much easier for everybody if bres-slow can move yoshida, even if the Sox have to eat a large chunk of the yoshida contract, aka the chris sale trade!!!!!

 

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

You know a proposal is bad when the thread evolves quickly into comparisons of poster substance abuse. 

Feds take note: stringent talksox testing confirms that none of us do drugs of any kind. Speaking for myself, I've never abused addictive stuff like nicotine or caffeine. Dabbled in, but never abused... though alcohol once abused me (or was it twice).

 

I was strapped down and forced to do bong hit after bong hit.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

We do not have to trade an outfielder!!  There are plenty of at bats to go around!  

However, figuring out the at bat distribution gets much easier for everybody if bres-slow can move yoshida, even if the Sox have to eat a large chunk of the yoshida contract, aka the chris sale trade!!!!!

 

We don't have to trade anybody, but it's clear we should trade an OF'er, even if it's just KC, but if we don't we'll need to dump, bench or demote Yoshida. That is reason enough to trade an OF'er.

The major reason is that Duran is far more valuable to another team as an OF'er than to us as a DH. It's about comparative value. OF vs DH. Since we are in great need for a #2 SP'er and infield power bat, the gain we get at one of those positions will far outweigh Duran's value at DH.

It is really that simple. Trade on OF'er this winter or fall short one more year.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Speaking for myself, I've never abused addictive stuff like nicotine or caffeine.

I remember when I detoxed from caffeine.  The pain was really bad.  I knew I drank a lot of coffee, but I hadn't realized how addicted I was, or what the physical withdrawal effects were going to be.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The major reason is that Duran is far more valuable to another team

It's all about marginal utility.  Right now, he's out 4th outfielder, which makes him a DH.  FG projects a slightly lower OPS than Yoshida.  So for us, all he does is add speed.  For a team without a CF, he adds 4 WAR.  It's the same with KC, and pitchers like Crawford, Harrison, etc.  No matter how one values them, they are more likely to be valued higher by other teams.

[moonslav59]

34 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

It's all about marginal utility.  Right now, he's out 4th outfielder, which makes him a DH.  FG projects a slightly lower OPS than Yoshida.  So for us, all he does is add speed.  For a team without a CF, he adds 4 WAR.  It's the same with KC, and pitchers like Crawford, Harrison, etc.  No matter how one values them, they are more likely to be valued higher by other teams.

Exactly, and that is the impetus for a trade. The best trades are ones that give another team a player they need more than we do and we get someone we need more than they do- at least in theory.

Of course, a team like MN and CIN "need" Sp'ers like Ryan or Lodolo, but they have other options and or money issues and other needs that we can fill.

I'd love to be able to do this:

Duran, Hicks and $8M to CIN for Lodolo

Masa, Crawford & Casas and $12M for W Contreras

Sign Schwarber & Bregman

then, I woke up.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Exactly, and that is the impetus for a trade. The best trades are ones that give another team a player they need more than we do and we get someone we need more than they do- at least in theory.

Of course, a team like MN and CIN "need" Sp'ers like Ryan or Lodolo, but they have other options and or money issues and other needs that we can fill.

I'd love to be able to do this:

Duran, Hicks and $8M to CIN for Lodolo

Masa, Crawford & Casas and $12M for W Contreras

Sign Schwarber & Bregman

then, I woke up.

Lay off the Count Chocula.

Actually, I wouldn't mind trading for Contreras, but I'm not including any money because 1). Bloom's trying to dump his contract -- so should be paying us; and 2). we may subsidize part of Yoshida's contract to anyone BUT Bloom, since he's Chaim's mistake in the last place!

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Lay off the Count Chocula.

Actually, I wouldn't mind trading for Contreras, but I'm not including any money because 1). Bloom's trying to dump his contract -- so should be paying us; and 2). we may subsidize part of Yoshida's contract to anyone BUT Bloom, since he's Chaim's mistake in the last place!

The Contreras deal is about equal to Masa's, so if STL is trying to dump salary, I think cash has to be part of the choco-deal. (Maybe just add Casas not Crawford, or sub Sandlin or Mullins for Kutter.)

[Jasonbay44]

On 12/6/2025 at 12:29 PM, moonslav59 said:

I was strapped down and forced to do bong hit after bong hit.

Yep, as soon as I saw that proposal I had to go to the dispensary! 

[notin]

On 12/6/2025 at 2:10 PM, JoeBrady said:

It's all about marginal utility.  Right now, he's out 4th outfielder, which makes him a DH.  FG projects a slightly lower OPS than Yoshida.  So for us, all he does is add speed.  For a team without a CF, he adds 4 WAR.  It's the same with KC, and pitchers like Crawford, Harrison, etc.  No matter how one values them, they are more likely to be valued higher by other teams.

This is also one of the flaws in BTV.

Their values are based on projected WAR vs projected salary.  But if a player is projected to play less, his projected WAR is lower.  Salary is, too.  But WAR value can escalate faster in pre-arb and even some arb players if they get on the field enough…