Red Sox (N/A) vs Day Off: 9/4/25

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I like their chances of NOT LOSING today more

Is this the first time this year you did not project a loss?

🫢

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Is this the first time this year you did not project a loss?

🫢

Yes

[moonslav59]

Let's hope we can keep the road trip mojo going.

[drewski6]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Isn't the argument that WAR "looks at the whole picture?"

but does it tell the right story about the picture?

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

but does it tell the right story about the picture?

It tells a better story than anything else we have right now. 

[moonslav59]

51 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

but does it tell the right story about the picture?

I don't think it does on the comp in debate. (bWAR is more in line with what I see.)

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It tells a better story than anything else we have right now. 

Exactly.  Here's what the WAR folks say:  "But WAR is necessarily an approximation and will never be as precise or accurate as one would like."

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It tells a better story than anything else we have right now. 

Was ben zobrist really as good as his WAR?

[drewski6]

I love me some defensive versatility.  More than most.  But it seems like when those guys move around ,their war gets juiced. Zobrist was really good, but his WAR tells me had had HOF years, feels a bit exaggerated.  Cedanne, Im sorry, hard to believe hes been as good as his WAR considering the games he spent at 2b.  There is value in guys you can move around the diamond for sure.  I wonder what Brockstar's was.  Note: if it was 8+ in any year, I take it all back.  Cuz who doesnt love Brock.  And his cute kid with the coke bottle glasses that he carried around during 2018 WS celebrations.  Brock bragging about how his 3 yr old crushes it with the playschool bat was nothing short of warm and fuzzy.  I dont get why people dont like when the kids get involved.  Like Steph Currys daughter. I have no beef w that. David Prices kid was cute too, which is surprising if you look at David (not if you look at his wife Tiffany, which also stuck out to me during 2018 celebrations). Ive strayed pretty far from the original point i was trying to make

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Was ben zobrist really as good as his WAR?

There were a few that he was a top 10 offensive AND defensive player. Usually a guy is one or the other, not both. He was able to play great defense at multiple positions. Rafaela plays great defense at just CF (average defense at 2b if that) and his bat lags way behind a guy like Zobrist. If we believe Rafaela is a 2 WAR guy, Zobrist is twice as valuable as Rafaela in a regular season. In a great year, he's multiples of that. 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I love me some defensive versatility.  More than most.  But it seems like when those guys move around ,their war gets juiced. Zobrist was really good, but his WAR tells me had had HOF years, feels a bit exaggerated.  Cedanne, Im sorry, hard to believe hes been as good as his WAR considering the games he spent at 2b.  There is value in guys you can move around the diamond for sure.  I wonder what Brockstar's was.  Note: if it was 8+ in any year, I take it all back.  Cuz who doesnt love Brock.  And his cute kid with the coke bottle glasses that he carried around during 2018 WS celebrations.  Brock bragging about how his 3 yr old crushes it with the playschool bat was nothing short of warm and fuzzy.  I dont get why people dont like when the kids get involved.  Like Steph Currys daughter. I have no beef w that. David Prices kid was cute too, which is surprising if you look at David (not if you look at his wife Tiffany, which also stuck out to me during 2018 celebrations). Ive strayed pretty far from the original point i was trying to make

If Rafaela kept his butt in CF, his WAR would be higher. He's getting dinged for his mediocre 2b defense. 

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If Rafaela kept his butt in CF, his WAR would be higher. He's getting dinged for his mediocre 2b defense. 

He should have refused to change positions hahahah

[drewski6]

what could go wrong?

[notin]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I love me some defensive versatility.  More than most.  But it seems like when those guys move around ,their war gets juiced. Zobrist was really good, but his WAR tells me had had HOF years, feels a bit exaggerated.  Cedanne, Im sorry, hard to believe hes been as good as his WAR considering the games he spent at 2b.  There is value in guys you can move around the diamond for sure.  I wonder what Brockstar's was.  Note: if it was 8+ in any year, I take it all back.  Cuz who doesnt love Brock.  And his cute kid with the coke bottle glasses that he carried around during 2018 WS celebrations.  Brock bragging about how his 3 yr old crushes it with the playschool bat was nothing short of warm and fuzzy.  I dont get why people dont like when the kids get involved.  Like Steph Currys daughter. I have no beef w that. David Prices kid was cute too, which is surprising if you look at David (not if you look at his wife Tiffany, which also stuck out to me during 2018 celebrations). Ive strayed pretty far from the original point i was trying to make

This is true.  WAR gets inflated by multipostional usage.  But remember WAR is a measurement of achievements, not ability.  While Zobrist was not among the game’s elite talents ever, was his ability to defend more positions helpful in increasing the Rays’ win totals?

[notin]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I love me some defensive versatility.  More than most.  But it seems like when those guys move around ,their war gets juiced. Zobrist was really good, but his WAR tells me had had HOF years, feels a bit exaggerated.  Cedanne, Im sorry, hard to believe hes been as good as his WAR considering the games he spent at 2b.  There is value in guys you can move around the diamond for sure.  I wonder what Brockstar's was.  Note: if it was 8+ in any year, I take it all back.  Cuz who doesnt love Brock.  And his cute kid with the coke bottle glasses that he carried around during 2018 WS celebrations.  Brock bragging about how his 3 yr old crushes it with the playschool bat was nothing short of warm and fuzzy.  I dont get why people dont like when the kids get involved.  Like Steph Currys daughter. I have no beef w that. David Prices kid was cute too, which is surprising if you look at David (not if you look at his wife Tiffany, which also stuck out to me during 2018 celebrations). Ive strayed pretty far from the original point i was trying to make

Did you love the recently released Darren Baker getting dragged to safety by JT Snow in the 2002 World Series? 

[drewski6]

Just now, notin said:

This is true.  WAR gets inflated by multipostional usage.  But remember WAR is a measurement of achievements, not ability.  While Zobrist was not among the game’s elite talents ever, was his ability to defend more positions helpful in increasing the Rays’ win totals?

I reject that elite defenders cant move around.  Ive been screaming about it for years. Bill B made a career out of seeing lineman out of linebackers.  The MVP of Zobrists seasons was a manager who wasnt afraid to think outside the box.

If Varsho can go from catcher to top 5 defensive CF , I mean.... maybe not every guy can, but the only thing stopping more zobrists is inside the box, old man , thinking.  It wasnt THAT special.  

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Did you love the recently released Darren Baker getting dragged to safety by JT Snow in the 2002 World Series? 

thats not the same thing as featuring a cute kid during a post-game

[drewski6]

positions are a construct. you gotta open your third eye, dr strange

[drewski6]

peyote helps

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

peyote helps

It's the only thing that would make Rafaela look like an above average IFer. 

[moonslav59]

30 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I love me some defensive versatility.  More than most.  But it seems like when those guys move around ,their war gets juiced. Zobrist was really good, but his WAR tells me had had HOF years, feels a bit exaggerated.  Cedanne, Im sorry, hard to believe hes been as good as his WAR considering the games he spent at 2b.  There is value in guys you can move around the diamond for sure.  I wonder what Brockstar's was.  Note: if it was 8+ in any year, I take it all back.  Cuz who doesnt love Brock.  And his cute kid with the coke bottle glasses that he carried around during 2018 WS celebrations.  Brock bragging about how his 3 yr old crushes it with the playschool bat was nothing short of warm and fuzzy.  I dont get why people dont like when the kids get involved.  Like Steph Currys daughter. I have no beef w that. David Prices kid was cute too, which is surprising if you look at David (not if you look at his wife Tiffany, which also stuck out to me during 2018 celebrations). Ive strayed pretty far from the original point i was trying to make

Brock's highs were 2.8 and 2.1 w bWAR and 2.2 & 2.0 w fWAR.

Ceddane has a -0.8 faWAR at 2B, so I'm not sure the versatility factor is adding much to his overall WAR. It's 3.7 in CF. fWAR lists his total as 2.9.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's the only thing that would make Rafaela look like an above average IFer. 

Ceddanne's career fWAR by position:

4.3 CF (758 PAs)

0.9 SS (301 PAs)

-1.1 2B (100 PAs)

4.0 overall (1170)

[drewski6]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's the only thing that would make Rafaela look like an above average IFer. 

 

Ill concede that maybe peyote is the only thing that can help one see the benefit of cedanne at infield, but sir,  seeing the the benefit of cedanne at infield isnt the only thing that peyote can help

[drewski6]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Brock's highs were 2.8 and 2.1 w bWAR and 2.2 & 2.0 w fWAR.

Ceddane has a -0.8 faWAR at 2B, so I'm not sure the versatility factor is adding much to his overall WAR. It's 3.7 in CF. fWAR lists his total as 2.9.

point taken but the offense muddies things up, right?

[drewski6]

as in he played cf a lot during his best months at the plate, so thats going to skew.

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

 

Ill concede that maybe peyote is the only thing that can help one see the benefit of cedanne at infield, but sir,  seeing the the benefit of cedanne at infield isnt the only thing that peyote can help

peyote regrew my hair (until it war off)

[drewski6]

peyote makes these jokes better

[Maxbialystock]

The day off should have helped everyone.  Here are the OPS's for September--

Yoshida 2.000

Narvaez  1.400

Lowe 1.333

Eaton 1.292

Story  1.212

Wong 1.171

Gonzalez  .923

Refsnyder .764

Rafaela .705

Duran  .633

Sogard  .500

Hamilton ..500

Bregman .357

 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

He should have refused to change positions hahahah

Then the Sox could have sent him to the Giants.

[drewski6]

16 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

The day off should have helped everyone.  Here are the OPS's for September--

Yoshida 2.000

Narvaez  1.400

Lowe 1.333

Eaton 1.292

Story  1.212

Wong 1.171

Gonzalez  .923

Refsnyder .764

Rafaela .705

Duran  .633

Sogard  .500

Hamilton ..500

Bregman .357

 

N. Lowe - better than josh (his brother) and brandon (no relation) since hes been here (on a WAR/Game basis)
wong youre invited to my wedding (quote from an avengers movie when he saves ironmans bacon)
Look at eaton eaten
I hope this story never ends
sogard so-fart
pick it up breggie (you still hurt?)