Morosi: Cardinals, Red Sox Have Had "Recent Communication" Regarding Nolan Arenado

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He turns 35 in about 15 months. 

LOL!

 

Ooops.

[Hitch]

Given that Nolan Arenado vetoed the potential deal to the Astros, what some of his friends say is important: They think he would really like the idea of going to the Red Sox, if Boston and the Cardinals work out terms. Arenado's current mindset: "Highly, highly motivated."

 

Buster Olney

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Given that Nolan Arenado vetoed the potential deal to the Astros, what some of his friends say is important: They think he would really like the idea of going to the Red Sox, if Boston and the Cardinals work out terms. Arenado's current mindset: "Highly, highly motivated."

 

Buster Olney

I do think he'd love to play in Boston. He does have a say in where he goes, but I'm not for taking on even half his deal.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I do think he'd love to play in Boston. He does have a say in where he goes, but I'm not for taking on even half his deal.

Why'd he turn down the HOU trade? 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Why'd he turn down the HOU trade? 

Who would ever choose to live near HOU?

🙃

[notin]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Why'd he turn down the HOU trade? 

Trevor Story isn’t an Astro…

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Trevor Story isn’t an Astro…

He's almost played as many games with them, as the Sox.

LOL

[Tedballgame]

I saw about 10 Cardinal games in person last year and another 40 over the past 7 years. Arenado is not nearly the same player he was three years ago. He is an aging veteran who will still have some good games but his skills are deteriorating and he is not playing up to his contract. The Cardinals are trying hard to trade him because of that. The Red Sox should only take him if the Cardinals pay 75% of his salary and take a low, low level prospect for him. Otherwise, a big pass!

[moonslav59]

45 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

I saw about 10 Cardinal games in person last year and another 40 over the past 7 years. Arenado is not nearly the same player he was three years ago. He is an aging veteran who will still have some good games but his skills are deteriorating and he is not playing up to his contract. The Cardinals are trying hard to trade him because of that. The Red Sox should only take him if the Cardinals pay 75% of his salary and take a low, low level prospect for him. Otherwise, a big pass!

Agreed. If we can get Arenado at $5-7M x 3, they should get a prospect. At $9-10M, nada. At more, we get something else.

[Larry Cook]

We were one of the worst defensive teams in 2024! We have defensive dumpster fires at 3rd base, 1st base and catcher. Plus a black hole at second base for the time being. 
 

there is no evidence (for or against) to support devers can move to 1st base. 
 

we do not have to trade for arenado!  Therefore we can afford to wait until spring training and give yoshida a chance to prove to St. Louis that he is healthy. Because I think bres-slow is not bringing in arenado without shipping out yoshida. 

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

We were one of the worst defensive teams in 2024! We have defensive dumpster fires at 3rd base, 1st base and catcher. Plus a black hole at second base for the time being. 
 

there is no evidence (for or against) to support devers can move to 1st base. 
 

we do not have to trade for arenado!  Therefore we can afford to wait until spring training and give yoshida a chance to prove to St. Louis that he is healthy. Because I think bres-slow is not bringing in arenado without shipping out yoshida. 

Many 3Bmen become fine or capable 1Bmen. It's not a major change, except fielding throws and doing the stretch.

Devers is not bad with the glove and range. His major issue is the inaccurate arm.

The one big factor in moving him to 1B, is that he only has to be as good or better than the worst defensive 1Bman in MLB, Tristan Casas. The bar is set as low as it can go.

If it turns out, he's worse than Casas, then he DH's and Yoshida becomes a bench, PH'er or maybe a platoon  LF'er w Refsnyder, if he shows he can hit .800+. (Duran plays CF and Abrue/Rafaela platoon RF, until Anthony arrives.)

The upgrade in 3B defense would outweigh the downgrade in LF defense, IMO, but it certainly is not ideal. The hope would be, he does okay, and we trade him, later, once we know Anthony is the real deal.

[mvp 78]

According to "sources" the Sox prefer Bregman to Arrenado, but are having trouble bidding against two other teams. 

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

According to "sources" the Sox prefer Bregman to Arrenado, but are having trouble bidding against two other teams. 

That always causes them problems!

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

That always causes them problems!

Well, we don't want to trade for Arrenado's contract and we don't want to have to bid against other teams for Bregman or give him a long contract (the better player). What to do? What to do? 

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Well, we don't want to trade for Arrenado's contract and we don't want to have to bid against other teams for Bregman or give him a long contract (the better player). What to do? What to do? 

The clock shall soon run out.  We'll get neither, all this did was give us something to yack about for a month or two.

[moonslav59]

HOU reportedly "upped their offer" to Bregman, but are not considered a likely landing spot.

It seeems like DET and TOR have offered longer deals than BOS offered, so what is the hold-up?

Is BorA$$ waiting to see if BOS adds another year?

If HOU adds even more?

If DET or TOR one ups the other?

I'm thinking once Bregman signs, Arenado will be traded to one of the other teams.

I hope it's not us, unless STL pays down the deal, so it costs us no more than $10M x 3. Even at that cost, I'm not sure we should have to give up anybody, except maybe Jordan.

[mvp 78]

33 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The clock shall soon run out.  We'll get neither, all this did was give us something to yack about for a month or two.

We would have found something else to talk about if we had to. Trading Casas or Abreu still has a lot of mileage left. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

HOU reportedly "upped their offer" to Bregman, but are not considered a likely landing spot.

It seeems like DET and TOR have offered longer deals than BOS offered, so what is the hold-up?

Is BorA$$ waiting to see if BOS adds another year?

If HOU adds even more?

If DET or TOR one ups the other?

I'm thinking once Bregman signs, Arenado will be traded to one of the other teams.

I hope it's not us, unless STL pays down the deal, so it costs us no more than $10M x 3. Even at that cost, I'm not sure we should have to give up anybody, except maybe Jordan.

Boras isn't in a hurry because all he cares about is the total dollars involved. He'll drag this on until players start reporting. 

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Boras isn't in a hurry because all he cares about is the total dollars involved. He'll drag this on until players start reporting. 

Yes, but waiting does not always work out best for him or his clients.

Overall, he is likely the best at getting the max, but it's hard to know if that is true.

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

We would have found something else to talk about if we had to. Trading Casas or Abreu still has a lot of mileage left. 

We may wait to see how Anthony looks before trading Abreu.

Any developing plan that sees Yoshida-Ref as the major LF combo would also ease the way for a Wilyer trade.

I do not think trading Casas is a good idea.

1. Our offense is suspect and he is one of our best hitters vs RHPs and LHPs.

2. The trade value for 1Bmen has dropped, of late.

3. He's young and cheap- just what JH loves.

If we add Bregman or Arenado, I'd still keep Casas, even if it means benching or severely cutting out Yoshida's playing time. I think trading Abreu, after adding a 3Bman would make more sense, despite the weakening of the OF defense by having Yoshida & Ref platoon LF. It would likely only be a temporary plan, as we wait for Anthony, or even a Campbell in the OF possibility. We could also see Yoshida build a little trade value and move him at the deadline, or when we call up Anthony.

This is nota horrible OF on O or D:
LF: Yoshida-Ref platoon, CF: Duran, RF: Abreu-Rafaela platoon

Yoshi & Ref could DH, when casas, Devers or our new 3Bman needs a rest.

Duran could play LF, when the above happens, and Rafaela could move to CF for those games, or when Duran gets a rest day.

 

[Bellhorn04]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, but waiting does not always work out best for him or his clients.

Overall, he is likely the best at getting the max, but it's hard to know if that is true.

Players obviously believe it's so, or he wouldn't be where he is. 

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Players obviously believe it's so, or he wouldn't be where he is. 

It's more about the "vibes" of him being the big dog rather than him actually being the big dog. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It's more about the "vibes" of him being the big dog rather than him actually being the big dog. 

In that case, who is the actual big dog?

[notin]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The clock shall soon run out.  We'll get neither, all this did was give us something to yack about for a month or two.

At least the FO is thinking about us!

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Players obviously believe it's so, or he wouldn't be where he is. 

None of his clients are going to struggle to put food on the table.  At worst, they might have to give up dreams of being insanely rich and settle for being merely obscenely rich…

[notin]

11 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

In that case, who is the actual big dog?

Clifford!!

 

At least he’s the big red one. No idea what oversized canine handles other colors…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

Clifford!!

 

At least he’s the big red one. No idea what oversized canine handles other colors…

For oversized canines, the big dawg has to be Count Dracula. He had Frankenstein calling him "master" and lured the Wolfman to jump off a cliff. Drac's stats are way better in night games than daytime; he's the Bello of monsters.

[notin]

28 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

For oversized canines, the big dawg has to be Count Dracula. He had Frankenstein calling him "master" and lured the Wolfman to jump off a cliff. Drac's stats are way better in night games than daytime; he's the Bello of monsters.

Oh please.

Count Chocula was scarier.  He proposed a balanced breakfast but was actually leading his followers down a path towards obesity, diabetes, and tooth decay…

[notin]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Well, we don't want to trade for Arrenado's contract and we don't want to have to bid against other teams for Bregman or give him a long contract (the better player). What to do? What to do? 

I know!! I know!!

Switch gears and sign a heavily-discounted Brandon Drury to a prove-it deal!!

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Players obviously believe it's so, or he wouldn't be where he is. 

True, but many people get to the highest places without being the best.