Orioles (Kremer) vs Red Sox (Pivetta): 9/11/24, 7:10pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

[mvp 78]

Pivetta is coming off 2 straight good outings so we may see a clunker here. 

[vegasbob]

Over/Under on Pivetta allowed HRs by end of second inning is 1.5 . The guy just can't help himself.

Hope he has a great start and shuts out the O's through 6, well, except for the 2 HRs

[dgalehouse]

One step forward. One step back. Don't seem to be getting anywhere.

[vegasbob]

1 hour ago, dgalehouse said:

One step forward. One step back. Don't seem to be getting anywhere.

Does this erratic post A-S period ( majority losses) indicate the true  overall team talent level  as about a .500 level?

Or: A team that is playing  up to 4 rookies any given night , and until Story's return, a weak MI

Or:  A starting rotation with no #1 or arguably #2 ?   Guys who have exceeded their inning highs and the 3,4,5 slots are filled with pitchers who may or may not be back next year. 

Or:  A couple of key hitters who are streaky for various reasons, and a DH who is  slower than a penguin .

Or: A BP full of rag arms and wannabes who are low ability or worn out at this point. Exception granted to Jansen, but not  Martin. 

Or: A FO staff who have a hard time selecting  or are very unlucky in the choices they do make ?

To me, it is all of the above plus a certain lack of grittiness or ability to make things happen when it matters.

[dgalehouse]

8 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Does this erratic post A-S period ( majority losses) indicate the true  overall team talent level  as about a .500 level?

Or: A team that is playing  up to 4 rookies any given night , and until Story's return, a weak MI

Or:  A starting rotation with no #1 or arguably #2 ?   Guys who have exceeded their inning highs and the 3,4,5 slots are filled with pitchers who may or may not be back next year. 

Or:  A couple of key hitters who are streaky for various reasons, and a DH who is  slower than a penguin .

Or: A FO staff who have a hard time selecting  or are very unlucky in the choices they do make ?

To me, it is all of the above plus a certain lack of grittiness or ability to make things happen when it matters.

Yes. A lot of factors go into putting together a winning team. With the Sox, and everything else being the same as it is,  I think just having a better bullpen would have made a big difference. 

[FredLynn]

More little league baseball as the ball bounces off Story’s glove

[jung]

Just now, FredLynn said:

More little league baseball as the ball bounces off Story’s glove

OB perplexed by the play AS USUAL

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, jung said:

OB perplexed by the play AS USUAL

Where was the LFer? Seems like he should have been in the neighborhood.

[vegasbob]

proposition bettors got scammed by Pivetta. It took until the 3rd inning to give up the HR,  and once again, play from behind.    A familiar position for the Sox fans.

[vegasbob]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Where was the LFer? Seems like he should have been in the neighborhood.

O'Neill doesn't like to be bothered when playing the field

[FredLynn]

Rafaela with a bat in his hands is frightful. He’s not ML ready.

[vegasbob]

Cedanne is ready for MLB.  He just has little recognition of pitches out of the zone.  Amazed any pitcher throws him stuff over the plate vicinity, BUT he did just hit a pitch for an RBI single., getting him to 70 RBI's, not unsubstantial at all.

[FredLynn]

What was Abreu thinking there?

oh wait 

he wasn’t 

 

 

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Cedanne is ready for MLB.  He just has little recognition of pitches out of the zone.  Amazed any pitcher throws him stuff over the plate vicinity, BUT he did just hit a pitch for an RBI single., getting him to 70 RBI's, not unsubstantial at all.

I disagree. He needs more minor league seasoning to improve his K zone recognition. He shouldn’t be rewarded for his incompetence by playing in the ML.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

26 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I disagree. He needs more minor league seasoning to improve his K zone recognition. He shouldn’t be rewarded for his incompetence by playing in the ML.

Imagine the incompetence of all those big leaguers who threw pitches off his bat to knock in 70 runs.

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Imagine the incompetence of all those big leaguers who threw pitches off his bat to knock in 70 runs.

Imagine how many he could have had if he had the foggiest clue of the strike zone 

[Maxbialystock]

5 hours ago, vegasbob said:

Does this erratic post A-S period ( majority losses) indicate the true  overall team talent level  as about a .500 level?

Or: A team that is playing  up to 4 rookies any given night , and until Story's return, a weak MI

Or:  A starting rotation with no #1 or arguably #2 ?   Guys who have exceeded their inning highs and the 3,4,5 slots are filled with pitchers who may or may not be back next year. 

Or:  A couple of key hitters who are streaky for various reasons, and a DH who is  slower than a penguin .

Or: A BP full of rag arms and wannabes who are low ability or worn out at this point. Exception granted to Jansen, but not  Martin. 

Or: A FO staff who have a hard time selecting  or are very unlucky in the choices they do make ?

To me, it is all of the above plus a certain lack of grittiness or ability to make things happen when it matters.

A pretty impressive list . . . . of a team that is perhaps 60-84, not 73-72 and with still a shot at a wild card slot.  

[vegasbob]

Alex Speier's article addressed why this 2-1 game  is not the type of game Boston should be playing with win expectations .   Slaten's 2 out HR ball to Santander is exactly why.   Going by memory but Sox may not have won any game this season scoring 2 runs or less ( obviously).

Pivetta pitched a Quality Start and a 1 run gem to have it stolen by an incompetent with an ugly beard

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox bullpen strikes again. Slaten had nothing. They were hitting rockets off of him.

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

A pretty impressive list . . . . of a team that is perhaps 60-84, not 73-72 and with still a shot at a wild card slot.  

They have no shot at the playoffs. They have been out of it for at least a month, maybe longer. Truth is, they never had the talent to be competitive this year. Or last year. Or the year before that.

[Tedballgame]

48 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I disagree. He needs more minor league seasoning to improve his K zone recognition. He shouldn’t be rewarded for his incompetence by playing in the ML.

.253 average, 17 homers, 69 RBI, 15 SB, great defense in CF, good defense at SS and 2B. What are you talking about? He is more than major league ready. Is he perfect? No, but he shoiuldn't be in the minors. I don't know what you are watching?

 

 

 

 

[Maxbialystock]

Just now, FredLynn said:

They have no shot at the playoffs. They have been out of it for at least a month, maybe longer. Truth is, they never had the talent to be competitive this year. Or last year. Or the year before that.

Simple, basic arithmetic says you are dead wrong.  This season is definitely not over.  

I don't disagree the odds are against the Sox, not just the gap to the 3d wild card team, but the other teams also vying for the 3d slot.  Plus issues with pitching, hitting, and fielding.  

As for talent, I must remind you the 2019 Sox were drowning in talent, high paid talent at that:  Betts, Bogaerts, Devers, JDM, Beni, JBJ, Vazquez/Leon, Moreland, Holt, Sale, Price, Porcello, ERod, Eovaldi, Workman, Barnes, Taylor, et al.  They had the highest payroll in MLB and finished out of the money.  

[Maxbialystock]

14 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Alex Speier's article addressed why this 2-1 game  is not the type of game Boston should be playing with win expectations .   Slaten's 2 out HR ball to Santander is exactly why.   Going by memory but Sox may not have won any game this season scoring 2 runs or less ( obviously).

Pivetta pitched a Quality Start and a 1 run gem to have it stolen by an incompetent with an ugly beard

Agree completely low-scoring games put the Sox at risk because the bullpen is unreliable.   But the Sox won 3-1 five days ago and 3-0 12 days ago.  

[FredLynn]

Rafaela swings at strike 2 two feet outside 

send him down!

[FredLynn]

16 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Simple, basic arithmetic says you are dead wrong.  This season is definitely not over.  

I don't disagree the odds are against the Sox, not just the gap to the 3d wild card team, but the other teams also vying for the 3d slot.  Plus issues with pitching, hitting, and fielding.  

As for talent, I must remind you the 2019 Sox were drowning in talent, high paid talent at that:  Betts, Bogaerts, Devers, JDM, Beni, JBJ, Vazquez/Leon, Moreland, Holt, Sale, Price, Porcello, ERod, Eovaldi, Workman, Barnes, Taylor, et al.  They had the highest payroll in MLB and finished out of the money.  

The season is over. It’s been over for a long time. 
This isn’t some other team. It’s the bums that make up the 2024 Flops. Just like last year and the year before. 
Meanwhile the bum Rafaela strikes out AGAIN on a ball at least a foot outside the zone.

SEND HIM DOWN 

[moonslav59]

Another bite by the snake.

[vegasbob]

Aside from Rafeala's awful chasing in the 9th, Story is predictably stuck somewhere in Spring Training mode. 

[Tedballgame]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The season is over. It’s been over for a long time. 
This isn’t some other team. It’s the bums that make up the 2024 Flops. Just like last year and the year before. 
Meanwhile the bum Rafaela strikes out AGAIN on a ball at least a foot outside the zone.

SEND HIM DOWN 

Thats not happening.

[Tedballgame]

Weissert is a Yankee plant. Fred, you can send him down.