Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations

[moonslav59]

If the Sox do sell - and I’m not on that ship - I think O’Neill would be difficult. Unless another team has an injury easily filled by a Sox player, I think the starters don’t get moved. Jansen and Martin? Everyone needs bullpen help? Pivetta - starting pitcher for actual rotation depth? I could see it. But I think someone like Refsnyder will be in more demand than O’Neill. Plenty of teams will be looking for RHH bench bats that can handle LHP…

 

Ref has another year of control, unlike O'Neill, and one of our weakest areas is lack of RH'd bats. I don't see us trading one of MLB's best RH'd bats (Ref) over the last 2-3 seasons, combined.

 

Only 17 batters in all of MLB have more PAs and a better OPS v LHPs than Ref since 2022. That's a 3 year period of over 280 PAs.

[moonslav59]

If the Sox do sell - and I’m not on that ship - I think O’Neill would be difficult. Unless another team has an injury easily filled by a Sox player, I think the starters don’t get moved. Jansen and Martin? Everyone needs bullpen help? Pivetta - starting pitcher for actual rotation depth? I could see it. But I think someone like Refsnyder will be in more demand than O’Neill. Plenty of teams will be looking for RHH bench bats that can handle LHP…

 

If O'Neill keeps hitting like this, he should fetch a decent prospect. If he's part of a package deal, it could get interesting.

 

I do think Pivetta & Jansen have the highest trade value, as of now. If Martin puts together 6 weeks of elite pitching, he could, too.

 

It's starting to look more and more like maybe we don't sell, but who knows?

[moonslav59]

Giving out grades for the Grissom-Sale trade before half a season is a fool's errand.

 

If it was a 1 year of Sale for 1 year of Grissom, maybe, but Grissom has a long time to redeem himself (or maybe a short time to prove he's a flop.)

[Duran Is The Man]

If O'Neill keeps hitting like this, he should fetch a decent prospect. If he's part of a package deal, it could get interesting.

 

I do think Pivetta & Jansen have the highest trade value, as of now. If Martin puts together 6 weeks of elite pitching, he could, too.

 

It's starting to look more and more like maybe we don't sell, but who knows?

 

maybe they can package Yoshida with Jansen, Pivetta or Martin in a deal with a pennant contender desperate for pen help.

[moonslav59]

maybe they can package Yoshida with Jansen, Pivetta or Martin in a deal with a pennant contender desperate for pen help.

 

Interesting concept to cut salary and lessen the return we'd normally get.

 

I'd say it might work, if we could be sure JH would spend the savings, but we can't say that.

 

Probably, only the Dodgers might even consider something like this.

 

Yoshida is owed about $56M, after 2024. At the deadline, it might be around $62M still owed. I don't think any contender would ever play Yoshida, but if they get some real talent with him, maybe taking on much of his contract might be an idea. A lot would depend on how much a team wants 1 or two from Jansen, Pivetta, Martin or O'Neill.

 

I'm wondering how much we'd have to pay a team to take him off our hands for zero return.

 

$47 of the $62M/3.3 yrs left?

 

$52M?

 

How about Wink, Yorke, Yoshida and half what we owe him ($31M) for a far away prospect?

[Bellhorn04]

Giving out grades for the Grissom-Sale trade before half a season is a fool's errand.

 

Grissom may already have no future with this team.

 

Story/Mayer/Yorke/Lugo/Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel.

[mvp 78]

maybe they can package Yoshida with Jansen, Pivetta or Martin in a deal with a pennant contender desperate for pen help.

 

If you package Yoshida, you are basically giving the other player away for free. Fine if you are giving up on the season.

[mvp 78]

Grissom may already have no future with this team.

 

Story/Mayer/Yorke/Lugo/Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel.

 

Grissom probably isn't a fulltime 2B a few years from now. Maybe a UTIL guy? Unfortunately, Kristian Campbell may surpass him in that role in a year or so as well.

[moonslav59]

Grissom may already have no future with this team.

 

Story/Mayer/Yorke/Lugo/Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel.

 

That could very well be the case, but I will add this...

 

Lugo plays LF, now. He will not play 2B for Boston.

Valdez and DHam have a lot of improvement to do on D and prove they can hit over the long haul. (So does Grissom.)

Yorke was just recently dropped in the prospect rankings, but has been on a 2 week tear in AAA. He is not great on D, either.

Romy seems like a career 26 man, utility guy.

That leaves the oft-injured Story and highly-regarded prospect, Mayer.

 

There is a good chance Grissom never wins a FT role among all these other options, but I'm not sure the chances are under 50-50. At worst, he might have a 33-40% chance at becoming our starting 2Bman over the next 4 years. (I wont argue, if someone says his chances are 20-25%. 15% might get a reply.)

[Bellhorn04]

Grissom has put himself behind the 8-ball with his injuries and horrible numbers.

 

Now that the team is playing well and has a shot at the playoffs, who wants to see more tryouts for Grissom this year instead of playing Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel?

 

Seems like one or more of those guys getting injured would be needed to make room for Grissom.

[moonslav59]

Grissom has put himself behind the 8-ball with his injuries and horrible numbers.

 

Now that the team is playing well and has a shot at the playoffs, who wants to see more tryouts for Grissom this year instead of playing Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel?

 

Seems like one or more of those guys getting injured would be needed to make room for Grissom.

 

Just wondering, what chance you think Grissom has to win a significant role on the 26- maybe not FT, but possible more GS at 2B than anyone else over the next 4 seasons.

 

A lot depends on others like Story, Mayer and players doing well, recently, like DHam and Valdez. I get that, but still I'm curious how far I'm off from other's opinions.

 

I say 33-40% chance he starts more games at 2B from 2025-2028 than anyone else.

[mvp 78]

Grissom has put himself behind the 8-ball with his injuries and horrible numbers.

 

Now that the team is playing well and has a shot at the playoffs, who wants to see more tryouts for Grissom this year instead of playing Hamilton/Romy/Enmanuel?

 

Seems like one or more of those guys getting injured would be needed to make room for Grissom.

 

He is only 23 though. I don't think the Sox are writing him off. He's going to have every chance to succeed because a lot of the guys you have ahead of are flash in the pan Hamilton, can't hit lefties Enmanuel and AAAA Romy.

[mvp 78]

Just wondering, what chance you think Grissom has to win a significant role on the 26- maybe not FT, but possible more GS at 2B than anyone else over the next 4 seasons.

 

A lot depends on others like Story, Mayer and players doing well, recently, like DHam and Valdez. I get that, but still I'm curious how far I'm off from other's opinions.

 

I say 33-40% chance he starts more games at 2B from 2025-2028 than anyone else.

 

It wouldn't be all that surprising to see Grissom platoon with one of the LHB guys at 2B until he gets going.

[Dipre]

He is only 23 though. I don't think the Sox are writing him off. He's going to have every chance to succeed because a lot of the guys you have ahead of are flash in the pan Hamilton, can't hit lefties Enmanuel and AAAA Romy.

 

This is the train I'm riding on.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just wondering if the scouts got a little overexcited about Grissom's hit tool because of his ability to make contact. The Statcast/Savant stuff shows he doesn't hit the ball very hard by MLB standards. A .497 OPS in his last 220 MLB PA's, with no home runs and not many EBH's period. We're talking some incredibly feeble stuff.

[Duran Is The Man]

If you package Yoshida, you are basically giving the other player away for free. Fine if you are giving up on the season.

 

so...you'd rather trade Jansen for decent prospect and eat Yoshida's salary rather than trade both for a AA nobody?

[Old Red]

so...you'd rather trade Jansen for decent prospect and eat Yoshida's salary rather than trade both for a AA nobody?

 

How about NOT trading anyone, and actually do some buying? I know that’s a totally foreign concept on here as the hot topic is always who’s the team going to sell. It was that way before this season even started, before the 2023 season even started, and before the 2022 season even started. Like I’ve said many times if you’re not going to play to win then don’t play at all. I’ve heard more than once on here on how exciting, and fun it is to watch the team this year, and I’ll admit I’ve watched very little baseball this year, but yet the major topic always seems to be sell, sell, sell. Ask Cora, the coaches, and the players in that clubhouse who they want to sell, and what do you think their response will be. The were speaking out for wanting pitching last year, because they wanted to win, and I’m sure the winning aspect this year is the same, and don’t want any part of selling unless it will help the team THIS year. Either play to win, or don’t play at all. If you have to sell you’re a LOSER. AGAIN.🙈🤭

[dgalehouse]

It is up to Grissom to earn his keep. You can't play him just to try and justify the Sale trade. Right now, other guys are playing very well. And please stop with the talk of trading Jansen , or even being sellers at all. This team is starting to play really good baseball.

[mvp 78]

so...you'd rather trade Jansen for decent prospect and eat Yoshida's salary rather than trade both for a AA nobody?

 

You'd be eating Yoshida's salary either way most likely. I don't think there's a team out there that is going to take more than 60% of that contract.

[mvp 78]

I'm just wondering if the scouts got a little overexcited about Grissom's hit tool because of his ability to make contact. The Statcast/Savant stuff shows he doesn't hit the ball very hard by MLB standards.

 

Are we talking about Vaughn Grissom or Xander Bogaerts?

[mvp 78]

It is up to Grissom to earn his keep. You can't play him just to try and justify the Sale trade. Right now, other guys are playing very well. And please stop with the talk of trading Jansen , or even being sellers at all. This team is starting to play really good baseball.

 

I think it would be a shame if someone played him solely because they were justifying the trade. I think they'll be playing him because they believe in his upside. If the other high upside guys reach BOS before Grissom gets to show it, he may as well end up as a part timer or be the odd man out.

[Old Red]

I think it would be a shame if someone played him solely because they were justifying the trade. I think they'll be playing him because they believe in his upside. If the other high upside guys reach BOS before Grissom gets to show it, he may as well end up as a part timer or be the odd man out.

Most things work themselves out on their own. Lots of guys like DHam, and even the Ref Man has gotten more chances this year, because of injuries. More injuries will probably crop up not to mention slumps, and players coming back down to earth. Grissom certainly hasn’t earned anything yet in Boston.

[Duran Is The Man]

You'd be eating Yoshida's salary either way most likely. I don't think there's a team out there that is going to take more than 60% of that contract.

 

my thought was they take ALL his salary. but yeah, Masa is so bad, nobody wants all of that.

[Maxbialystock]

How about NOT trading anyone, and actually do some buying? I know that’s a totally foreign concept on here as the hot topic is always who’s the team going to sell. It was that way before this season even started, before the 2023 season even started, and before the 2022 season even started. Like I’ve said many times if you’re not going to play to win then don’t play at all. I’ve heard more than once on here on how exciting, and fun it is to watch the team this year, and I’ll admit I’ve watched very little baseball this year, but yet the major topic always seems to be sell, sell, sell. Ask Cora, the coaches, and the players in that clubhouse who they want to sell, and what do you think their response will be. The were speaking out for wanting pitching last year, because they wanted to win, and I’m sure the winning aspect this year is the same, and don’t want any part of selling unless it will help the team THIS year. Either play to win, or don’t play at all. If you have to sell you’re a LOSER. AGAIN.

 

Not sure I agree with the final sentiment, but do agree with your main point. Don't sell. See what this team can do, even with all the guys who are on the IL or underperformers or both.

 

The pitching is excellent by Sox standards and in fact the team ERA is better than the 2018 Sox team ERA. How about that?

 

The hitting sure seems to be coming around, and that's without Casas and Abreu, who are due back soon. The defense still stinks, but the baserunning helps to compensate.

 

The Sox have just taken 2 of 3 from the Yankees and Phillies and Jays and are a mind-boggling 3 games above .500. What's not to like?

[Duran Is The Man]

Not sure I agree with the final sentiment, but do agree with your main point. Don't sell. See what this team can do, even with all the guys who are on the IL or underperformers or both.

 

The pitching is excellent by Sox standards and in fact the team ERA is better than the 2018 Sox team ERA. How about that?

 

The hitting sure seems to be coming around, and that's without Casas and Abreu, who are due back soon. The defense still stinks, but the baserunning helps to compensate.

 

The Sox have just taken 2 of 3 from the Yankees and Phillies and Jays and are a mind-boggling 3 games above .500. What's not to like?

 

if nothing else, Henry sure has lowered fans expectations of a team that was once a perennial favorite.

[mvp 78]

my thought was they take ALL his salary. but yeah, Masa is so bad, nobody wants all of that.

 

To take all of Yoshida's salary, you're trading a top level prospect IMO.

[Bellhorn04]

Yoshida isn't going anywhere, not this year at least. He's the prototypical sunk cost. Let's just hope he stays well and heats up.

[moonslav59]

To take all of Yoshida's salary, you're trading a top level prospect IMO.

 

Agreed.

 

To me, what might have the best chance of working is to pay $10-13M of his $18M per year for basically nothing.

 

Add someone like Wink, and maybe we pay $6-10M of his contract, each year.

[Dipre]

Let him play. he's a sunk cost if he doesn't improve

[moonslav59]

Let him play. he's a sunk cost if he doesn't improve

 

Play here?

 

Why?

 

Who do you sit, so Yoshi can play?

 

When Casas and Abreu return, he won't even belong on a theoretical 28 man roster.