Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations

[mvp 78]

Yes, and how many teams were able to take on the contracts of Betts and half Price?

 

Price was thrown in at the end to seal the deal.

[moonslav59]

Nothing else was reported, but that doesn’t mean the Red Sox couldn’t have gotten more for Betts. DD was working on a deal for Mookie during the 2019 season, but backed out. I wonder what would have been in that deal?

 

Probably close to the same as the team was thought to be LAD.

 

I would find it very strange to think maybe we did not seek out all the possible trade parters before choosing the one we felt was the best, at the time.

 

To me, the fact that DD almost traded Betts at the deadline, but hopes of making the playoffs put it off, is clear evidence a trade was already decided on after the 2019 team failed to advance.

[Bellhorn04]

Probably close to the same as the team was thought to be LAD.

 

I would find it very strange to think maybe we did not seek out all the possible trade parters before choosing the one we felt was the best, at the time.

 

To me, the fact that DD almost traded Betts at the deadline, but hopes of making the playoffs put it off, is clear evidence a trade was already decided on after the 2019 team failed to advance.

 

No, we don't know that at all. Betts said there were talks with him after Bloom was hired. He told the press to talk to Chaim to get all the details. Nobody did, of course.

[moonslav59]

No, we don't know that at all. Betts said there were talks with him after Bloom was hired. He told the press to talk to Chaim to get all the details. Nobody did, of course.

 

I can’t see how we could have extended Betts and got to the budget of 2020. Nobody takes Price off our hands without Betts or Bogey.

 

BTW, I just said clear evidence, not that it shows trading Betts was a 100%.

 

IMO, he was a goner after that 2019 season.

[Bellhorn04]

I can’t see how we could have extended Betts and got to the budget of 2020. Nobody takes Price off our hands without Betts or Bogey.

 

BTW, I just said clear evidence, not that it shows trading Betts was a 100%.

 

IMO, he was a goner after that 2019 season.

 

He was a goner because Henry didn't want to pay him market value.

[moonslav59]

He was a goner because Henry didn't want to pay him market value.

 

No doubt. I don’t think JH would have signed Betts, after 2019, even if he asked for$280/10.

[mvp 78]

He was a goner because Henry didn't want to pay him market value.

 

That was a big time fracture to me in how I saw this ownership.

[moonslav59]

That was a big time fracture to me in how I saw this ownership.

 

Me, too. I felt just as badly after we traded away most of the late70’s team and lost Fisk.

[notin]

No, we don't know that at all. Betts said there were talks with him after Bloom was hired. He told the press to talk to Chaim to get all the details. Nobody did, of course.

 

Or maybe they did and Bloom had no details, possibly because there were no talks?

[notin]

Probably close to the same as the team was thought to be LAD.

 

I would find it very strange to think maybe we did not seek out all the possible trade parters before choosing the one we felt was the best, at the time.

 

To me, the fact that DD almost traded Betts at the deadline, but hopes of making the playoffs put it off, is clear evidence a trade was already decided on after the 2019 team failed to advance.

 

 

So DD pioneered that third option - reeling in Andrew Cashner to put the Sox over the top…

[mvp 78]

Or maybe they did and Bloom had no details, possibly because there were no talks?

 

Or Bloom just brushed off the media convo.

[Bellhorn04]

Or maybe they did and Bloom had no details, possibly because there were no talks?

 

To me it's plausible and helps explain why they didn't get around to trading him until February.

 

Mookie also said there was no 300 mill offer, and that claim hasn't been refuted either.

 

It's all in the land of rumors, innuendo and speculation and forever will be, I guess.

[mvp 78]

So DD pioneered that third option - reeling in Andrew Cashner to put the Sox over the top…

 

DESPERATE DAVE f***ed us over!

[moonslav59]

Price was thrown in at the end to seal the deal.

 

Okay. Seperate the two.

 

Not many teams were looking at taking on one big contract year of Betts.

 

Maybe no teams wanted Price or even half Price.

 

How could we have kept Betts and had the same 2020 budget?

 

There is probably a way to have done it by trading one from JD, Nate, Sale plus half Price

[mvp 78]

Okay. Seperate the two.

 

Not many teams were looking at taking on one big contract year of Betts.

 

Maybe no teams wanted Price or even half Price.

 

How could we have kept Betts and had the same 2020 budget?

 

There is probably a way to have done it by trading one from JD, Nate, Sale plus half Price

 

Yup, should have traded Sale, but that was unlikely to happen. Hard to trade Sale AND Price or Nate AND Price. More likely it'd be JD AND Price or it would still have been seen as a big tank job.

[moonslav59]

Yup, should have traded Sale, but that was unlikely to happen. Hard to trade Sale AND Price or Nate AND Price. More likely it'd be JD AND Price or it would still have been seen as a big tank job.

 

Oh yes, but keeping the best one, Betts, was so obvious.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Price was thrown in at the end to seal the deal.

 

Freidman to Bloom: "You seriously want two prospects for a Hall of Famer? No way... well, only if you'll also give us your starter who can't ever beat the Yankees, and who refuses to pitch in the Bronx, or at night, and only if he promises to publicly mock our retired Hall of Fame pitcher in front of the whole team!"

[mvp 78]

Freidman to Bloom: "You seriously want two prospects for a Hall of Famer? No way... well, only if you'll also give us your starter who can't ever beat the Yankees, and who refuses to pitch in the Bronx, or at night, and only if he promises to publicly mock our retired Hall of Fame pitcher in front of the whole team!"

 

It was to seal the deal for the Red Sox, not the Dodgers. If Price wasn't going to be packaged to LAD, there were rumors that he could be packaged to SD instead.

 

"We like Verdugo, Wong and Downs, but you gotta take Price too."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It was to seal the deal for the Red Sox, not the Dodgers. If Price wasn't going to be packaged to LAD, there were rumors that he could be packaged to SD instead.

 

"We like Verdugo, Wong and Downs, but you gotta take Price too."

 

I'll stop joking if you do.

 

"If you really want Mookie, you have to agree to take Price. Now let's discuss the return..."

[mvp 78]

I'll stop joking if you do.

 

"If you really want Mookie, you have to agree to take Price. Now let's discuss the return..."

 

Blooming Onion: "I'll just step into something slinky..."

 

French Fried: "David Price half off?!?!? Wowweeewweeeweeeewuuuuu!!!!!"

[notin]

It was to seal the deal for the Red Sox, not the Dodgers. If Price wasn't going to be packaged to LAD, there were rumors that he could be packaged to SD instead.

 

"We like Verdugo, Wong and Downs, but you gotta take Price too."

 

From what I recall, SD wanted to send back Wil Myers, whose contract was just as bad as Price’s…

[mvp 78]

From what I recall, SD wanted to send back Wil Myers, whose contract was just as bad as Price’s…

 

It probably would have been: Sox take Myers' contract, Pads take Price's contract.

 

Myers: 13.8 AAV through '22

Price: 31 AAV through '23

 

If that's the case, the Padres would have assumed MORE $$$ than the Dodgers did.

[notin]

It probably would have been: Sox take Myers' contract, Pads take Price's contract.

 

Myers: 13.8 AAV through '22

Price: 31 AAV through '23

 

If that's the case, the Padres would have assumed MORE $$$ than the Dodgers did.

 

Not really. Myers’ had a $13.8 AAV but a $22 actual salary those last 3 years…

[mvp 78]

Not really. Myers’ had a $13.8 AAV but a $22 actual salary those last 3 years…

 

The CASH doesn't matter!!! They were trying to get under the CBT.

[notin]

The CASH doesn't matter!!! They were trying to get under the CBT.

 

Yes to the Red Sox, but what about the Padres?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Would trading Jansen and/or Martin this winter be punting to some posters?

 

What if they were included as part of a package that upgraded another area for the '24 big league Red Sox?

[Bellhorn04]

Would trading Jansen and/or Martin this winter be punting to some posters?

 

What if they were included as part of a package that upgraded another area for the '24 big league Red Sox?

 

It might not be punting, but the return would have to be good for anyone to like it. And which teams would be interested in Jansen or Martin for one season only? Probably only teams that are all in on 2024 and have a need in the bullpen. Phillies maybe. But who would they be interested in trading that would be helpful to the 2024 Red Sox?

[notin]

It might not be punting, but the return would have to be good for anyone to like it. And which teams would be interested in Jansen or Martin for one season only? Probably only teams that are all in on 2024 and have a need in the bullpen. Phillies maybe. But who would they be interested in trading that would be helpful to the 2024 Red Sox?

 

Cubs are Rangers two other obvious candidates along with the Phillies that would have interest in those two…

[moonslav59]

Would trading Jansen and/or Martin this winter be punting to some posters?

 

What if they were included as part of a package that upgraded another area for the '24 big league Red Sox?

 

Forget 2024. Trade Sale, Jansen and Martin plus enough cash for Abel.

[Randy Red Sox]

Sox are likely to sign Paxton to a 1 yr deal with a club option for yr 2 and then go with this rotation:

Paxton

Bello

Sale

Pivetta

Crawford

 

Houck first up if someone goes down