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[notin]

They did win nearly 20 more games than the previous years prior to drafting Bregman. 70-92 isn’t good, but considering they were coming off there straight years of about 110 losses, is it still tanking?

 

Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…

[moonslav59]

Of course they f***ing tanked. They tanked hard.

 

They admitted it.

[moonslav59]

Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…

 

How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?

[notin]

How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?

 

Was it worth tanking to get Mark Appel and Brady Aiken?

[Hugh2]

How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?

 

I don't think it's that "tanking doesn't work" as much as it's the incentive to tanking in the MLB is not what it is in the NBA or NFL, generally speaking it just doesn't happen in baseball. I don't think.

[Bellhorn04]

That doesn’t change that there is a difference.

 

Really, tanking is a subset of sucking…

 

No, it isn't. Tanking is a deliberate strategy.

[notin]

No, it isn't. Tanking is a deliberate strategy.

 

Ok. So you’re saying it isn’t a subset of sucking? Do teams tank and NOT suck?

[Bellhorn04]

They did win nearly 20 more games than the previous years prior to drafting Bregman. 70-92 isn’t good, but considering they were coming off there straight years of about 110 losses, is it still tanking?

 

Of course. It was a gradual process.

[notin]

Of course. It was a gradual process.

 

Of course typically winning 70 doesn’t get you a #2 pick…

[Bellhorn04]

Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…

 

They struck gold twice. No, that does not support your point.

[notin]

They struck gold twice. No, that does not support your point.

 

Right. So tanking is always worth it…

[Bellhorn04]

Ok. So you’re saying it isn’t a subset of sucking? Do teams tank and NOT suck?

 

What does that even mean, subset of sucking?

 

Tanking is deliberately sucking. It's massively different from trying and sucking.

[Bellhorn04]

Right. So tanking is always worth it…

 

Not saying always, of course. Saying it was for the Cubs and the Astros.

[notin]

What does that even mean, subset of sucking?

 

Tanking is deliberately sucking. It's massively different from trying and sucking.

 

It’s a type of sucking.

 

All tanking teams suck. Not all sucking teams are tanking. Deliberate or not, do you think fans care?

[notin]

Not saying always, of course. Saying it was for the Cubs and the Astros.

 

But not so much for, say, the Reds…

[mvp 78]

So you're saying tanking for multiple years is not tanking.

 

Being a really s***** team isn't the same as tanking.

[Dipre]

All tems that tank, suck.

 

Not all teams that suck, tank.

[Bellhorn04]

It’s a type of sucking.

 

All tanking teams suck. Not all sucking teams are tanking. Deliberate or not, do you think fans care?

 

Yes, shockingly enough, I do think a lot of fans care whether their team is trying to compete or not.

[Bellhorn04]

All tems that tank, suck.

 

Not all teams that suck, tank.

 

Thank you. It's not that complicated.

[sk7326]

Was it worth tanking to get Mark Appel and Brady Aiken?

 

They got more than enough swings at great talents that it was worth it.

 

HOWEVER, personally - nobody is charging fans lower prices for this. And from a consumer of baseball, it sucks. At the same time, fans in a lot of cases have been brainwashed into feeling that there is some moral obligation to do this. But we also see this with some fans arguing with trading players whose name sounds like Pookie Jetts too.

[mvp 78]

All tems that tank, suck.

 

Not all teams that suck, tank.

 

Yup.

[mvp 78]

Right. So tanking is always worth it…

 

Fall for Trey Ball!

[Hugh2]

The problem with the narrative that teams "suck" on purpose with the intent on losing more games to get a better draft pick is that in baseball you are far more likely to find your George Springers, Mookie Betts, and Aaron Judges later in the 1st round or after in baseball than you will in other sports.

 

If you suck to get a good farm system, well....there are teams that don't suck and still are able to build elite farms.

[notin]

Thank you. It's not that complicated.

 

That’s exactly what I said and you refuted it…

[notin]

They got more than enough swings at great talents that it was worth it.

 

HOWEVER, personally - nobody is charging fans lower prices for this. And from a consumer of baseball, it sucks. At the same time, fans in a lot of cases have been brainwashed into feeling that there is some moral obligation to do this. But we also see this with some fans arguing with trading players whose name sounds like Pookie Jetts too.

 

 

They did fine with some draft picks. They did better with IFA..

[mvp 78]

That’s exactly what I said and you refuted it…

 

Thank you.

[mvp 78]

They did fine with some draft picks. They did better with IFA..

 

You didn't mention Bregman in this post. WTH?

[Bellhorn04]

That’s exactly what I said and you refuted it…

 

No, it isn't exactly what you said. Your whole point seems to be there isn't much difference between trying and sucking, and tanking. You've even suggested fans don't care either way.

[Bellhorn04]

You didn't mention Bregman in this post. WTH?

 

Because he's a slippery one. As are you, on this issue. Brothers in arms, huh?

[moonslav59]

Was it worth tanking to get Mark Appel and Brady Aiken?

 

No, but you selectively chose just a 3 year period, when they tanked for longer than that.

 

I also think it was worth tanking for Correa, Appel and Aiken, combined. That's a better haul than most lower draft teams get in a 3 year period of 1st round picks. BTW, the Astros did draft Bregman with the comp pick for not signing Aiken, so they basically got Correa and Bregman from that 3 year period.

 

I also maintain it is more than just the 1st round pick that matters, despite MVP's rebukes.