2023 MLB postseason thread

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, when he was hurt during the season, and his team missed the big stage.

 

If only Bloom had signed more indestructible rocks of the mound like Richards, Hill, Wacha, Paxton and Kluber.

[Bellhorn04]

I was talking about Jordan Montgomery who keeps spinning 0's in the playoffs for Texas. The guy who should have been pitching in NY this year

 

But Cashman replaced him with Rodon.

 

How does Cash still have his job?

[Bellhorn04]

George knew what he was doing by always stockpiling starting pitchers, and he was also right on targeting big game "warriors" -- like he knew he was in trouble when Epstein (not Cashmen) landed Schilling.

 

Some posters love to argue against acquiring pitchers who are "injury-prone" or "IL risks" -- but nowadays, are any not?

 

Has arm history EVER slowed down Nathan Eovaldi on a big stage in October?

 

We laughed at the Rangers when they signed Seager and Semien for $500 mill.

 

We laughed some more at them when deGrom went down.

 

But they've also added Eovaldi, Montgomery and Scherzer. I don't think I've ever seen a team go all in for starting pitching like the Rangers did this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

But Cashman replaced him with Rodon.

 

How does Cash still have his job?

 

Your guess is as good as mine. Does he have dirt on Hal? George? Cash did VERY well rebuilding the team from the Jeter days. 2017 was the kickoff of a nice run of success while being just one player away multiple years in a row. But he started adding in a questionable fashion. We got Stanton instead of waiting for Harper. We dealt Montgomery then got Rodon. Dealt for Montas, who was injured at the time, instead of going after Castillo. Benintendi trade sucked. Effross trade sucked. This past offseason he added an oft injured ace and did nothing to address the offense. He had a chance to sell off some parts this deadline and stood pat. He seems very scattershot after years of seemingly laser like focus. This is when you dump a president or GM. When they're acting out of desperation or crippled with inaction, their time is up

[moonslav59]

If only Bloom had signed more indestructible rocks of the mound like Richards, Hill, Wacha, Paxton and Kluber.

 

And, the mighty Martin Perez, twice.

[moonslav59]

This past offseason he added an oft injured ace and did nothing to address the offense.

 

We tried to warn you he was a big injury risk, and you downplayed it and deflected that Paxton was more of an injury risk.

Edited October 16, 2023 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

We tried to warn you he was a big injury risk, and you downplayed it and deflected that Paxton was more of an injury risk.

 

He wasn't oft injured last winter from what I remember!

[notin]

George knew what he was doing by always stockpiling starting pitchers, and he was also right on targeting big game "warriors" -- like he knew he was in trouble when Epstein (not Cashmen) landed Schilling.

 

Some posters love to argue against acquiring pitchers who are "injury-prone" or "IL risks" -- but nowadays, are any not?

 

Has arm history EVER slowed down Nathan Eovaldi on a big stage in October?

 

Are we pretending Eovaldi, who has topped 111 innings twice since 2017, isn’t an injury risk?

 

When the story came out that Bloom has the chance to trade Sale for nothing in 2022, several people thought abloom should be fired for NOT dealing him, despite Sale having an injury history nowhere near as significant as Eovaldi…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Are we pretending Eovaldi, who has topped 111 innings twice since 2017, isn’t an injury risk?

 

When the story came out that Bloom has the chance to trade Sale for nothing in 2022, several people thought abloom should be fired for NOT dealing him, despite Sale having an injury history nowhere near as significant as Eovaldi…

 

Who's pretending that? Here's my quote in the post you replied to: "Some posters love to argue against acquiring pitchers who are injury-prone' or 'IL risks' -- but nowadays, are any not?"

 

They are all big risks -- old guys, young guys, Bearclaws, even mop-up position players who throw blooper balls slower than Little Leaguers -- ALL of them.

 

So should GMs avoid signing the good ones -- the pros who have the stuff to top a rotation, lead a staff to the postseason, and better yet, those who have proven themselves in Octobers past?

 

Raise your hand if instead you'd rather just load up on DFAed or rehabbing projects who if lucky may combine to get within three or four innings away from Neil singing: "To believe they never would..."

[mvp 78]

Are we pretending Eovaldi, who has topped 111 innings twice since 2017, isn’t an injury risk?

 

When the story came out that Bloom has the chance to trade Sale for nothing in 2022, several people thought abloom should be fired for NOT dealing him, despite Sale having an injury history nowhere near as significant as Eovaldi…

 

Sale's recent injury history outweighs overall concerns about Eovaldi IMO.

[mvp 78]

Eovaldi has thrown 3x the amount of innings as Sale since 2021. Eovaldi has injury concerns. Sale is a sinking ship.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi has thrown 3x the amount of innings as Sale since 2021. Eovaldi has injury concerns. Sale is a sinking ship.

 

But Sale wasn't oft injured last time we saw him.

[Maxbialystock]

Eovaldi has thrown 3x the amount of innings as Sale since 2021. Eovaldi has injury concerns. Sale is a sinking ship.

 

Is Eovaldi a better risk and better starter than Sale? Absolutely. So the Sox probably blew it last year when they didn't re-sign him, but the caveat to that is that JH was almost certainly the guy who said no to a Eovaldi contract. He over-learned the lesson of signing Price and Sale to long term contracts.

 

However, Sale is now part of the Sox landscape and no more movable than Fenway Park. With that in mind, I'm hopeful that, after pitching 158 innings in 2019 when the elbow went bad and required TJ surgery, 0 innings in 2020, 42.2 in 2021, 5.2 in 2022 (bicycle injury) and 103 this year (WHIP 1.13, ERA 4.30, WAR 1.7), Sale can go 150 or more reasonably effective innings next year.

[moonslav59]

Is Eovaldi a better risk and better starter than Sale? Absolutely. So the Sox probably blew it last year when they didn't re-sign him, but the caveat to that is that JH was almost certainly the guy who said no to a Eovaldi contract. He over-learned the lesson of signing Price and Sale to long term contracts.

 

However, Sale is now part of the Sox landscape and no more movable than Fenway Park. With that in mind, I'm hopeful that, after pitching 158 innings in 2019 when the elbow went bad and required TJ surgery, 0 innings in 2020, 42.2 in 2021, 5.2 in 2022 (bicycle injury) and 103 this year (WHIP 1.13, ERA 4.30, WAR 1.7), Sale can go 150 or more reasonably effective innings next year.

 

JH said yes to a QO to Nate.

 

I assume he said yes to the initial offer to Nate, last winter, which was reportedly worth more than he got with Texas.

 

I think Bloom was the one who decided to pull the Nate offer and spend the money elsewhere.

[mvp 78]

Is Eovaldi a better risk and better starter than Sale? Absolutely. So the Sox probably blew it last year when they didn't re-sign him, but the caveat to that is that JH was almost certainly the guy who said no to a Eovaldi contract. He over-learned the lesson of signing Price and Sale to long term contracts.

 

However, Sale is now part of the Sox landscape and no more movable than Fenway Park. With that in mind, I'm hopeful that, after pitching 158 innings in 2019 when the elbow went bad and required TJ surgery, 0 innings in 2020, 42.2 in 2021, 5.2 in 2022 (bicycle injury) and 103 this year (WHIP 1.13, ERA 4.30, WAR 1.7), Sale can go 150 or more reasonably effective innings next year.

 

Well, not according to reports...

[mvp 78]

JH said yes to a QO to Nate.

 

I assume he said yes to the initial offer to Nate, last winter, which was reportedly worth more than he got with Texas.

 

I think Bloom was the one who decided to pull the Nate offer and spend the money elsewhere.

 

IDK, this is too much conjecture on who says yes to what. None of us truly know the inner workings.

[Bellhorn04]

IDK, this is too much conjecture on who says yes to what. None of us truly know the inner workings.

 

Yes, conjecture is running amuck here of late.

[moonslav59]

IDK, this is too much conjecture on who says yes to what. None of us truly know the inner workings.

 

Well, we know a QO was offered and JH did not disallow it.

[notin]

Sale's recent injury history outweighs overall concerns about Eovaldi IMO.

 

He was injured or coming off one when extended. But historically at the time his injury history was far less. He hasn’t even had his first TJ back then…

[moonslav59]

He was injured or coming off one when extended. But historically at the time his injury history was far less. He hasn’t even had his first TJ back then…

 

His contract would have still been good had he just missed one full season with TJS and then returned to 90% of his old self.

[jad]

Pretty high praise for Nate just offered by Papi! 'a guy you build a team around'

[Old Red]

What a great site in Philly tonight. A packed raucous crowd while Fenway sits empty. At the very least another trip for Philly to the NLCS while the Red Sox sit in a basement, and watch, and hope that someday they will be in the postseason again. It’s only been two years, but it seems a lot longer than that thanks to JH, and Gloom, and Doom Bloom.

[moonslav59]

Love seeing the Astros down 2-0.

 

The fans here were so obnoxious and overconfident before this series.

 

After the Texans won on Sunday, the talk show hosts were saying it was going to be the greatest sports day in Houston history.

 

LOL!

[notin]

What a great site in Philly tonight. A packed raucous crowd while Fenway sits empty. At the very least another trip for Philly to the NLCS while the Red Sox sit in a basement, and watch, and hope that someday they will be in the postseason again. It’s only been two years, but it seems a lot longer than that thanks to JH, and Gloom, and Doom Bloom.

 

What’s your point?

 

Even if Dombrowski stayed in Boston, the Sox were still not very likely to keep the pace from 2016-2018. Unless Henry allowed for massive budget increases, which he was clearly not going to do…

[moonslav59]

What’s your point?

 

Even if Dombrowski stayed in Boston, the Sox were still not very likely to keep the pace from 2016-2018. Unless Henry allowed for massive budget increases, which he was clearly not going to do…

 

He might have done better, but I just don't get this whole idea that the circumstances would have changed, because DD stayed.

 

I think the friction started between DD and upper bosses, soon after 2018. The changes in budget and prospect trading strategies seemed to change at the time the friction happened. Coincidence? Maybe.

 

I am very certain, there is no way DD wins a ring with BOS from 2020 to 2023, unless some parameters changed drastically.

 

He didn't get them to change their minds back in 2019, I doubt he'd have done it in 2020 or afterwards.

[Bellhorn04]

He might have done better, but I just don't get this whole idea that the circumstances would have changed, because DD stayed.

 

I think the friction started between DD and upper bosses, soon after 2018. The changes in budget and prospect trading strategies seemed to change at the time the friction happened. Coincidence? Maybe.

 

I am very certain, there is no way DD wins a ring with BOS from 2020 to 2023, unless some parameters changed drastically.

 

He didn't get them to change their minds back in 2019, I doubt he'd have done it in 2020 or afterwards.

 

Obviously DD's termination and the payroll cutting went hand in hand.

[dgalehouse]

Good management , stewardship and supervision is vital to the success of any business. Poor management can do much harm. It makes no sense to think that the results would be no different regardless of who is in charge.

[notin]

He might have done better, but I just don't get this whole idea that the circumstances would have changed, because DD stayed.

 

I think the friction started between DD and upper bosses, soon after 2018. The changes in budget and prospect trading strategies seemed to change at the time the friction happened. Coincidence? Maybe.

 

I am very certain, there is no way DD wins a ring with BOS from 2020 to 2023, unless some parameters changed drastically.

 

He didn't get them to change their minds back in 2019, I doubt he'd have done it in 2020 or afterwards.

 

If DD has to trade Betts, I do think he simply takes Graterol. His pitching philosophy has always been simple - radar guns!

 

(That’s not a knock; I’m a fan of flame-throwers, too)

 

That’s my only take on the team if they never fired DD that I have true faith in. Well, that and they wouldn’t be in the postseason without increased spending…

[moonslav59]

Obviously DD's termination and the payroll cutting went hand in hand.

 

Well, I would think it should be obvious.

 

I used to joke about how some posters seemed to think Bloom talked JH & Co. into spending less and not trading any top prospects. I'm not so sure it's a joke anymore.

 

The kicker, to me, was the report that DD nearly traded Betts and Price to LAD in the summer of 2019. Man, how that would have changed the whole narrative!!!

[moonslav59]

Good management , stewardship and supervision is vital to the success of any business. Poor management can do much harm. It makes no sense to think that the results would be no different regardless of who is in charge.

 

Who thinks that?