A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

Are we sure about this? Gray and E-Rod didn't wait around and signed for very reasonable and predictable numbers.

 

Nola could be argued took less.

[mvp 78]

But we kind of need something top shelf, which arguably reduces what's left of the FA field to Moto and Snell, and the Moto prospects are shaky at best.

 

Nola was off the table even before the offseason started. DD was going to re-sign him no matter what.

 

Gray probably wasn't a high target for the Sox and I'm fine with it.

 

ERod provides innings, but he isn't going to lead you to the promised land.

 

It really is Yamamoto or bust. Snell can't consistently give you innings. Monty is more often than not a #2, but better than ERod.

 

Breslow could still go to the trade market.

[mvp 78]

Don't be so shellfish. I do suspect Brez to ink a pitcher from Japan, but at a lot better savings and a lot less risk than Yo Yama...

 

... and after he signs Imanaga, he'll swing a big blockbuster for another starter and regular position player that will blow up the board.

 

Burnes and Imanaga? Trade for Bichette to play 2B?

[moonslav59]

BTV accepts: Mayer & Mata for Burnes & Adames

[moonslav59]

Nola was off the table even before the offseason started. DD was going to re-sign him no matter what.

 

Gray probably wasn't a high target for the Sox and I'm fine with it.

 

ERod provides innings, but he isn't going to lead you to the promised land.

 

It really is Yamamoto or bust. Snell can't consistently give you innings. Monty is more often than not a #2, but better than ERod.

 

Breslow could still go to the trade market.

 

I think Gray at 3 years would have fit nicely into our needs and reluctance to go large AND LONG on SP'ers.

 

Imanaga could be a diamond in the rough.

 

I think Monty pitches like a top #2 in MLB. He would be a nice get, but not enough, by himself. If we could also grap one of the "best of the rest," maybe it would be enough.

 

Monty & Imanaga?

 

Monty & Stroman?

 

Monty & Lugo? How about Monty, Lugo & Clevinger?

 

[notin]

Nola was off the table even before the offseason started. DD was going to re-sign him no matter what.

 

Gray probably wasn't a high target for the Sox and I'm fine with it.

 

ERod provides innings, but he isn't going to lead you to the promised land.

 

It really is Yamamoto or bust. Snell can't consistently give you innings. Monty is more often than not a #2, but better than ERod.

 

Breslow could still go to the trade market.

 

 

Yamamoto is reportedly the top priority of the Mets. The Sox aren’t winning that bidding war.

 

Snell, Montgomery, Stroman snd Imanaga look like more realistic targets. And only Montgomery has had any rumors attached to anyone…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Burnes may be unlikely, because the Brewers will want pitching in return, and it doesn't make sense to deal Bello (who, let's face it, is probably the Sox only young MLB pitcher anyone really wants for a big chip).

[moonslav59]

Burnes may be unlikely, because the Brewers will want pitching in return, and it doesn't make sense to deal Bello (who, let's face it, is probably the Sox only young MLB pitcher anyone really wants for a big chip).

 

I doubt they'd back down and take Crawford and Wikelman or Crawford and Yorke.

[moonslav59]

Yamamoto is reportedly the top priority of the Mets. The Sox aren’t winning that bidding war.

 

Snell, Montgomery, Stroman snd Imanaga look like more realistic targets. And only Montgomery has had any rumors attached to anyone…

 

I'm not so sure you can just pencil Yamo to the Mets, based on last winter's crazy times. Maybe Cohen will back down, some.

 

I'm not optimistic we are in the final two for Yamo, but if we are, I think we may step it up on the overpay level.

 

The Sox are long overdue for a big splash. If we miss out on Yamo, I see only Burnes as a big enough name to get the juices flowing.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I doubt they'd back down and take Crawford and Wikelman or Crawford and Yorke.

 

Burnes also has the Boras' factor; the Sox can't possibly trade a top prospect and potential future All-Star like Mayer or Anthony for one year of a good pitcher attached to a 99% chance of not agreeing to a longterm extension once in Boston...

[moonslav59]

Burnes also has the Boras' factor; the Sox can't possibly trade a top prospect and potential future All-Star like Mayer or Anthony for one year of a good pitcher attached to a 99% chance of not agreeing to a longterm extension once in Boston...

 

I don't think the percent is 99%, but I do agree: we need to extend Burnes to make any trade for him worth it.

 

Bieber is too risky.

 

Glasnow looks interesting.

 

It looks like the asking price for Cease is too much, but he does have 2 years.

 

I don't see SEA trading Gilbert. I do wonder, if they are looking at budget issues, why not trade Castillo?

[notin]

I don't think the percent is 99%, but I do agree: we need to extend Burnes to make any trade for him worth it.

 

Bieber is too risky.

 

Glasnow looks interesting.

 

It looks like the asking price for Cease is too much, but he does have 2 years.

 

I don't see SEA trading Gilbert. I do wonder, if they are looking at budget issues, why not trade Castillo?

 

So the guy who has pitched 214 IP in the last 3 years interests you but the guy who has pitched 380 IP is too risky?

[moonslav59]

So the guy who has pitched 214 IP in the last 3 years interests you but the guy who has pitched 380 IP is too risky?

 

Yes. I've read there are concerns about Bieber's need for surgery.

 

I'm fine with saying Glasnow is interesting and rishy.

 

I'd love to see us trade for Castillo. I think he has 4 years of control.

[mvp 78]

Burnes also has the Boras' factor; the Sox can't possibly trade a top prospect and potential future All-Star like Mayer or Anthony for one year of a good pitcher attached to a 99% chance of not agreeing to a longterm extension once in Boston...

 

It just takes money. If a CBO is scared of Boras, they need to find a new line of work.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It just takes money. If a CBO is scared of Boras, they need to find a new line of work.

 

But if you're the new CBO of the fifth-best team in your division, is it worth giving up one of the top prospects in baseball for a player you're only guaranteed to have for one season?

[Bellhorn04]

It just takes money. If a CBO is scared of Boras, they need to find a new line of work.

 

If I'm Breslow, what I'm most scared of is JH's unwillingness to shell out.

[Bellhorn04]

But if you're the new CBO of the fifth-best team in your division, is it worth giving up one of the top prospects in baseball for a player you're only guaranteed to have for one season?

 

Yeah, it does seem a little nutty to trade your top prospect for one guaranteed year when you're currently projected to be a .500 team or so...

[moonslav59]

Yeah, it does seem a little nutty to trade your top prospect for one guaranteed year when you're currently projected to be a .500 team or so...

 

Hasn't that been Bloom's quandary over the last 3 years?

 

Bloom never traded a higher prospect than Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber. When you look at 2018-2020, none were traded then. either. That's about 6 years with the highest prospects traded being ARamirez and Beeks.

 

I think we have waited long enough.

 

I love the idea of building up the farm, but the farm can help via trades, too.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Hasn't that been Bloom's quandary over the last 3 years?

 

Bloom never traded a higher prospect than Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber. When you look at 2018-2020, none were traded then. either. That's about 6 years with the highest prospects traded being ARamirez and Beeks.

 

I think we have waited long enough.

 

I love the idea of building up the farm, but the farm can help via trades, too.

 

 

Sure, but trading your top prospect for one guaranteed year seems a bit much. When has any Sox CBO ever done that?

[moonslav59]

Sure, but trading your top prospect for one guaranteed year seems a bit much. When has any Sox CBO ever done that?

 

I'm with you. The idea scares the hell out of me.

 

BTW, when we traded for Pedro, I think he had one year left before free agency.

 

We extended him to a 7 year deal a month after trading 2 top pitching prospects for him.

 

I think the Schilling trade included an extension, but I could be wrong.

 

The Beckett trade was for multiple years of Beckett, and we ended up extending him, too.

 

We traded Lester & Gomes (not prospects) for one year Cespedes, who we flipped for 1 year of Porcello, and then we extended him.

 

[moonslav59]

MLBTR on the Sox, the rotation, OF, 2B and Turner...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/red-sox-trade-rumors-second-base-rotation-yamamoto-severino.html

[cp176]

Hasn't that been Bloom's quandary over the last 3 years?

 

Bloom never traded a higher prospect than Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber. When you look at 2018-2020, none were traded then. either. That's about 6 years with the highest prospects traded being ARamirez and Beeks.

 

I think we have waited long enough.

 

I love the idea of building up the farm, but the farm can help via trades, too.

 

 

We have for sure a farm system that has many more young players that come with the "good potential" tag hanging off them then we have seen in some time. We are going to learn a lot in the upcoming weeks what our front office and other front offices think of this untested talent. Either significant trades for actual major league talent will be made or we get to see if all of our hopefuls really are as good as advertised. Breslows moves however minor they might be to date, i kind of like. I think that he knows the types of players he wants and we need. Going to be interesting.

Edited December 7, 2023 by cp176

[mvp 78]

If I'm Breslow, what I'm most scared of is JH's unwillingness to shell out.

 

We hope he's moved on from that thinking.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, it does seem a little nutty to trade your top prospect for one guaranteed year when you're currently projected to be a .500 team or so...

 

Not if you're going to open up the checkbook. Breslow would have to know that ahead of time though.

[mvp 78]

We have for sure a farm system that has many more young players that come with the "good potential" tag hanging off them then we have seen in some time. We are going to learn a lot in the upcoming weeks what our front office and other front offices think of this untested talent. Either significant trades for actual major league talent will be made or we get to see if all of our hopefuls really are as good as advertised. Breslows moves however minor they might be to date, i kind of like. I think that he knows the types of players he wants and we need. Going to be interesting.

 

Guys with potential mean that other teams' scouts have eyes on them. Good trade bait.

[moonslav59]

We have for sure a farm system that has many more young players that come with the "good potential" tag hanging off them then we have seen in some time. We are going to learn a lot in the upcoming weeks what our front office and other front offices think of this untested talent. Either significant trades for actual major league talent will be made or we get to see if all of our hopefuls really are as good as advertised. Breslows moves however minor they might be to date, i kind of like. I think that he knows the types of players he wants and we need. Going to be interesting.

 

Agreed, and I'm sure Brez has identified some prospects he values less than Bloom did. We should see a further shuffle.

 

He basically swapped out Drohan for Fitts and Fernandez for Slaten, plus added the two other arms in the Yankee trade.

 

I think he's going to trade Mayer or 2-3 mid tier guys like Wikelman, Yorke, Rafaela and Miedroth.

[moonslav59]

Not if you're going to open up the checkbook. Breslow would have to know that ahead of time though.

 

Exactly. Why have Brez spending a lot of time pursuing Yamo, if JH will just say no, at the end?

[mvp 78]

Exactly. Why have Brez spending a lot of time pursuing Yamo, if JH will just say no, at the end?

 

Breslow will only pursue him if he already knows what he can spend. I think he knows the budget and the market. Bloom seemed to always be surprised by the market.

[moonslav59]

Breslow will only pursue him if he already knows what he can spend. I think he knows the budget and the market. Bloom seemed to always be surprised by the market.

 

Many times, yes.

 

He did offer Nate more than TEX and on Eflin, I guess about the same as TBR.

 

Many felt he guessed the Yoshida market wrongly.

 

Most of his signings involved $10M/1 or less, an area he was supposed to be an expert.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Breslow will only pursue him if he already knows what he can spend. I think he knows the budget and the market. Bloom seemed to always be surprised by the market.

 

You mean like the projections a month that Yamamoto will command a contract of $200M that all of sudden will now demand $300M?