A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Old Red]

He was the best player on the team.

 

33 HR

100 RBI

 

Those are numbers that old school guys used to like?

 

Those numbers are good on paper, but by watching the games did it really seem he was that good as those numbers suggest?

[Bellhorn04]

We need the rotation to be better. Pivetta can barely even get a QS every few games.

 

The rotation stunk, but mainly because we had no one who was better than a #3.

[Old Red]

Sale will definitely be in the rotation.

 

Bello

Acquisition

Sale

Crawford

Pivetta

 

That's what it's going to look like. You can write it down apparently if you guys want Pivetta in the rotation.[/quote

So adding one more starter from the outside is going to make this team that much better? I don’t want Sale in the rotation, because at some point you’re going to have to replace him anyways.

[mvp 78]

Those numbers are good on paper, but by watching the games did it really seem he was that good as those numbers suggest?

 

It's good to know that your eye test supersedes both old school counting stats and new school metrics. Literally any argument you will come up with is supported by "well, that's what I saw so it must be true."

 

What I SAW out of Raffy was that he remains one of the best hitters in the game. He hits the absolute piss out of the ball more often than every other batter. If he was in Philly, he'd probably hit 50 HR's every year.

[mvp 78]

The rotation stunk, but mainly because we had no one who was better than a #3.

 

With Sale, if you can slot him in as the #5 it give you hope that he can be a mid rotation starter playing up. Pivetta is just a #5. Let's get more out of the rotation.

 

It should be:

 

Yamamoto

Bello

Montgomery

Crawford

Sale

 

Sale is a better pitcher than Crawford, but you can't count on him to carry the load for 32 games.

 

If Wikelman can keep marching along, adding him to the rotation in the 2nd half could be a big improvement. Maybe he can slide in for Sale? Maybe he slides in for Crawford if Sale is actually still pitching well? Monegro/Perales are still late 25 at the earliest. Those are the only high octane guys in the minors right now in sniffing distance of a rotation spot that could be better what Crawford already is.

[notin]

Sale will definitely be in the rotation.

 

Bello

Acquisition

Sale

Crawford

Pivetta

 

That's what it's going to look like. You can write it down apparently if you guys want Pivetta in the rotation.

 

I’m thinking

 

Acquisition

Acquisition

Bello

Crawford

Sale

 

 

And Pivetta starts when Sale isn’t available…

[cp176]

On any given day Houck, Crawford, Sale, and Pivetta can look very good. Counting on them to be decent to good every start is just ridiculous . Bello looks good in the 3 hole. We need two dependable starters in those top 2 slots. I'm not at all convinced that so and so should be in the bullpen either. By so and so, obviously I mean Houck, Pivetta, and Crawford. We pick up two solid starters whoever they may be then things get interesting for this pitching staff. I think that the pitching needs to be addressed first but that just begins to get things going. You bring back the same cast of characters and expect different results then once again you define what stupidity is. Going to be a tough redo for the new front office.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m thinking

 

Acquisition

Acquisition

Bello

Crawford

Sale

 

 

And Pivetta starts when Sale isn’t available…

 

In a perfect world, that looks like the one.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

With Sale, if you can slot him in as the #5 it give you hope that he can be a mid rotation starter playing up. Pivetta is just a #5. Let's get more out of the rotation.

 

It should be:

 

Yamamoto

Bello

Montgomery

Crawford

Sale

 

Sale is a better pitcher than Crawford, but you can't count on him to carry the load for 32 games.

 

If Wikelman can keep marching along, adding him to the rotation in the 2nd half could be a big improvement. Maybe he can slide in for Sale? Maybe he slides in for Crawford if Sale is actually still pitching well? Monegro/Perales are still late 25 at the earliest. Those are the only high octane guys in the minors right now in sniffing distance of a rotation spot that could be better what Crawford already is.

 

I approve of this post. My only difference is that I believe part of changing the culture -- in what has been established by both Bloom and Dombrowski -- is to entirely discount Chris Sale:

 

1. The Red Sox need reliable starting pitchers who can consistently go six -- innings pitched and months. Obviously, they have to discount Sale for either.

 

2. In order to move on from hoping/wishing/praying for the walking wounded to give us contributions -- we gotta take cara him/limit his innings/skip a start/rehab assignment/wait til his comes off the IL/IL/IL/eeeyaaaaaaahhhhhh! -- the new GM needs to discount Sale by eating part of his contract and get him gone.

 

This post is nothing personal. It's strictly hobby.

 

It's time for a change of scenery... as in, we've scenery enough of this.

[mvp 78]

In a perfect world, that looks like the one.

 

I hope the Sox can get two TOTR arms, but I just don't believe they can do it.

[mvp 78]

I approve of this post. My only difference is that I believe part of changing the culture -- in what has been established by both Bloom and Dombrowski -- is to entirely discount Chris Sale:

 

1. The Red Sox need reliable starting pitchers who can consistently go six -- innings pitched and months. Obviously, they have to discount Sale for either.

 

2. In order to move on from hoping/wishing/praying for the walking wounded to give us contributions -- we gotta take cara him/limit his innings/skip a start/rehab assignment/wait til his comes off the IL/IL/IL/eeeyaaaaaaahhhhhh! -- the new GM needs to discount Sale by eating part of his contract and get him gone.

 

This post is nothing personal. It's strictly hobby.

 

It's time for a change of scenery... as in, we've scenery enough of this.

 

If they can trade Sale this offseason, they should.

[notin]

I hope the Sox can get two TOTR arms, but I just don't believe they can do it.

 

A lot does depend on budget.

 

But even simply getting 2 arms better than Crawford/Pivetta will improve the rotation immensely.

 

I’m still on the Sonny Gray Train, but it’s really tough to gauge what type of deal he might get. Last year, the actual offers blow most of the predictions out of the water…

[notin]

If they can trade Sale this offseason, they should.

 

If the price for Giolito is $20-25mill, Sale suddenly becomes more tradable…

[notin]

Those numbers are good on paper, but by watching the games did it really seem he was that good as those numbers suggest?

 

Yes if you watched more than highlights…

[mvp 78]

A lot does depend on budget.

 

But even simply getting 2 arms better than Crawford/Pivetta will improve the rotation immensely.

 

I’m still on the Sonny Gray Train, but it’s really tough to gauge what type of deal he might get. Last year, the actual offers blow most of the predictions out of the water…

 

Yeah, we have no idea what the FA market will look like, just what the names are. Sox need 2. I believe they'll only come away with one good one.

[mvp 78]

If the price for Giolito is $20-25mill, Sale suddenly becomes more tradable…

 

Yuck. I don't like that guy at all. His past two seasons were rough. His 4 seamer gets hit hard and is losing velo.

[mvp 78]

Yes if you watched more than highlights…

 

If you watch the highlights, you see lots of loud Devers highlights!

[notin]

If you watch the highlights, you see lots of loud Devers highlights!

 

I think he only watches the highlights from the highlights….

[Old Red]

If you watch the highlights, you see lots of loud Devers highlights!

 

The Red Sox have finished in last place with a losing record the last two years with Devers. They could just as easy do the same thing without him. $300M+ is a lot of money to pay for someone who sucks on D.

[Bellhorn04]

If the price for Giolito is $20-25mill, Sale suddenly becomes more tradable…

 

I'd rather have Sale than Giolito.

[mvp 78]

I think he only watches the highlights from the highlights….

 

Finely curated to only select the things he wants to complain about.

[mvp 78]

I'd rather have Sale than Giolito.

 

This could be notin's point.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox have finished in last place with a losing record the last two years with Devers. They could just as easy do the same thing without him. $300M+ is a lot of money to pay for someone who sucks on D.

 

Smart. Get rid of a middle of the order bat so that when they are able to be competitive (per Sam, it's ASAP), it's another thing to go shopping for.

[notin]

I'd rather have Sale than Giolito.

 

I don’t want Giolito either.

 

But a GM of any other team might find trading for Sale to be a preferable option to signing Giolito (or some other overpriced mediocre free agent) for way too much money for way too long.

 

I’m using Giolito as a market gauge here…

[Old Red]

Finely curated to only select the things he wants to complain about.

 

Of course there is nothing to complain about after ANOTHER losing team, and finishing last place in the Div. What do you think the overall opinion is in Red Sox Nation right now? Complaining, or thinking everything is red, and rosy?

[Old Red]

Smart. Get rid of a middle of the order bat so that when they are able to be competitive (per Sam, it's ASAP), it's another thing to go shopping for.

 

Once again i didn’t say get rid of him, but the FACT is they are a losing team with him, or without him.

[notin]

The Red Sox have finished in last place with a losing record the last two years with Devers. They could just as easy do the same thing without him. $300M+ is a lot of money to pay for someone who sucks on D.

 

Devers as a hitter stands to be the most helpful player on the roster for getting out of last place. His defense is less helpful in this regard.

 

Move him to 1b/DH where he can continue to do what he does best and the team can mitigate what he does worst…

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t want Giolito either.

 

But a GM of any other team might find trading for Sale to be a preferable option to signing Giolito (or some other overpriced mediocre free agent) for way too much money for way too long.

 

I’m using Giolito as a market gauge here…

 

I'm not in favor of trading Sale. I want as much pitching as possible.

[notin]

I'm not in favor of trading Sale. I want as much pitching as possible.

 

I think trading Sale is only feasible if the free agent market off just too expensive. But at this point, it all depends on the offer…

[Old Red]

I'm not in favor of trading Sale. I want as much pitching as possible.

 

Even if it’s as less as possible? The last 3 years convinced you?