Bloom fired

[sk7326]

If one stops and thinks about it Bloom wasn't the only boss he back stabbed throughout his career. I think you are vastly over estimating how well Cora is thought of around baseball.

 

They won immediately once he took over and fell off when the pitching fell apart. His first year back in his second term the team was 6 wins away from another banner. The last two years have been tough but there has also been a paucity in talent, particularly on the mound.

[Old Red]

You were one of the original founders of The Legion. A charter member. Everybody knows that. Are you embarrassed to admit it ?

 

He’s definitely embarrassed, or he’s really Bloom, or a family member.

[moonslav59]

What you call bashing I call criticizing, and that’s what I always said, and that’s where we differ. You can try to polish you’re not a Bloom guy turd all you want, but your stuck with that stigma forever. Wear it proud, and be AWESOME!🤓

 

I'm not embarrassed by any of my positions, even the many I got wrong.

 

I was far from a Bloom basher.

 

I was never a Bloom "supporter" or part of any "Legion." I was hopeful he did good. I thought many of his moves were good, even in hindsight. I thought many were bad, some at teh time and some in hindsight.

 

I think he did a good job rebuilding the farm, but that remains to be seen.

 

I think he had some very difficult conditions to overcome, and he failed to overcome them.

 

I wear my positions proudly, and they have not changed because he was fired, and more than my beliefs have changed about DD, ben and Theo.

[mvp 78]

The Legion of Bloom finally abandoned ship when it became impossible to keep bailing water. Now, they are revising history and claiming that there never was a Legion of Bloom.

 

We kept asking for a list of the members, but never got one.

[moonslav59]

He’s definitely embarrassed, or he’s really Bloom, or a family member.

 

And you say I speak like what I'm saying is fact not opinion.

 

What do I have to be embarrassed about? My optimism was not realized?

[mvp 78]

They won immediately once he took over and fell off when the pitching fell apart. His first year back in his second term the team was 6 wins away from another banner. The last two years have been tough but there has also been a paucity in talent, particularly on the mound.

 

Remember the famous Bill Parcells line: If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries

[Old Red]

And you say I speak like what I'm saying is fact not opinion.

 

What do I have to be embarrassed about? My optimism was not realized?

 

I have all kinds of optimism now, and a new HOBO hasn’t even been named yet. If it’s Eddie with input from Cora I’ll be fine with that. The Big Black Cloud of Gloom, and Doom has been lifted.

[moonslav59]

I have all kinds of optimism now, and a new HOBO hasn’t even been named yet. If it’s Eddie with input from Cora I’ll be fine with that. The Big Black Cloud of Gloom, and Doom has been lifted.

 

Am I supposed to care?

 

Why not try to answer a question, just once, instead of deflecting?

[moonslav59]

We kept asking for a list of the members, but never got one.

 

That's the only thing that changed after the firing.

 

Now, suddenly they feel emboldened to name names.

[Old Red]

Am I supposed to care?

 

Why not try to answer a question, just once, instead of deflecting?

 

You don’t care that the Big Black Cloud has been lifted, and help is on the way? WOW!

[Old Red]

That's the only thing that changed after the firing.

 

Now, suddenly they feel emboldened to name names.

 

Your name has ALWAYS been mentioned.

[mvp 78]

I have all kinds of optimism now, and a new HOBO hasn’t even been named yet. If it’s Eddie with input from Cora I’ll be fine with that. The Big Black Cloud of Gloom, and Doom has been lifted.

 

Just get someone who can make moves at the deadline and not be a f***ing tortoise in the offseason FA market.

 

Low bar?

[mvp 78]

That's the only thing that changed after the firing.

 

Now, suddenly they feel emboldened to name names.

 

Oh, you definitely were known for holding your tongue before.

[moonslav59]

Your name has ALWAYS been mentioned.

 

More lies. and "everybody knows it."

 

Nobody would ever name names.

 

I think someone said "Max supports everyone," once.

[mvp 78]

Your name has ALWAYS been mentioned.

 

Is the Bloom Squad just a sneaky way of complaining about moon and nobody else then? moon is a one man gang?

[moonslav59]

Oh, you definitely were known for holding your tongue before.

 

LOL.

 

True, I never shied away from calling a Bloom basher a Bloom basher.

 

One denied it for months and months and now says he wears a t-shirt with the slogan on it.

 

(BTW, should I sue for copyright infringements?)

 

[Old Red]

Is the Bloom Squad just a sneaky way of complaining about moon and nobody else then? moon is a one man gang?

 

I don’t mention any kind of squad myself. Moon is far from any victim, and has no problem calling people Bloom Bashers. No one, and I mean no one that I know of on here, or anywhere else has defended Bloom more than Moon has, and you know that. On the other hand I have criticized Bloom as much as anyone, but I’ve been pretty mild compared to what I’ve heard other places.

[Old Red]

Just get someone who can make moves at the deadline and not be a f***ing tortoise in the offseason FA market.

 

Low bar?

Low bar it is,but I believe that even if JH doesn’t change his thinking, or ways a new person in charge should be able to do what Bloom couldn’t do like the things you mentioned.

[Old Red]

LOL.

 

True, I never shied away from calling a Bloom basher a Bloom basher.

 

One denied it for months and months and now says he wears a t-shirt with the slogan on it. Once again you call criticism bashing, and I don’t.

 

(BTW, should I sue for copyright infringements?)

 

I told you long ago that I had Bloom Basher t shirts made up, and had changed our bowling team to that name, so don’t act like this is something new.

[moonslav59]

I don’t mention any kind of squad myself. Moon is far from any victim, and has no problem calling people Bloom Bashers. No one, and I mean no one that I know of on here, or anywhere else has defended Bloom more than Moon has, and you know that. On the other hand I have criticized Bloom as much as anyone, but I’ve been pretty mild compared to what I’ve heard other places.

 

I do not deny defending Bloom vs overly zealous attacks. Defending does not mean I'm the leader of some legion or that I am okay with most or part of what he did.

 

That's where your reasoning and choice of words go off track.

 

IMO, I had to defend him more than I should have. If most of the board was calling him a great GM, I'd likely be called a Bloom antagonist.

 

I said, before last winter, that offseason would be Bloom's "make or break" winter and likely his "lasting legacy." Somehow that sounds like a big supporter to you and a few others.

 

That was a long time before his firing.

 

You also confuse optimism about the team's chances with thinking a lot of what Bloom did was right.

 

We all knew he neglected the rotation for way too long. I gave reasons to why I think he did, but it's not like I ever agreed with neglecting the rotation. If I am known for anything related to baseball philosophy, it is always about building a rotation from the top. That's been my mantra for decades. If that sounds like a big Bloom supporter to you, I can only laugh.

 

Again, I do deny defending some of Blooms moves or adding context as to why he may have been forced to do so many questionable, half-ass moves.

 

I thought he should have had a fire sale in '22. he did not.

I thought he should have been a buyer in '23. he did not, and it probably wouldn't have helped, anyway.

I was on the sign Andrus bandwagon and later wondered why Iggy signed with someone else, when we needed a SS badly, mid-season.

I hated the Diekman signing day one, and took flack for that.

I wasn't thrilled with most of the signings for 2021 and 2022, but pointed out that "for the money" several did better in '22 than in '21, but it didn't seem to help.

I can list more.

 

I got many wrong, for sure, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it, and did at the time for most of them.

[moonslav59]

I told you long ago that I had Bloom Basher t shirts made up, and had changed our bowling team to that name, so don’t act like this is something new.

 

Are you denying you said you were not a Bloom basher?

 

What's "long ago?"

 

For someone who criticizes me for using the term, you sure don't seem to mind, anymore.

 

It's funny how when we were doing well in July, you went into hiding.

 

You criticized me for saying you seem to get giddy when we lose, from all your self back patting. Now, the team and FO is in turmoil. You point out every day how "nobody wants to work for JH." Your giddiness is leaking out of my laptop, as I type.

 

We lost: you won!

 

Hip-hip hurray for Ole RED!

[mvp 78]

I don’t mention any kind of squad myself. Moon is far from any victim, and has no problem calling people Bloom Bashers. No one, and I mean no one that I know of on here, or anywhere else has defended Bloom more than Moon has, and you know that. On the other hand I have criticized Bloom as much as anyone, but I’ve been pretty mild compared to what I’ve heard other places.

 

I'm not specifically calling you out, but there are several posters on here who group other posters into the Bloom Squad or Kimmi's Gang or whatever. Then when you ask who's part of it, you never get a response. I will quote tweet those posters and they never ever respond.

 

I never made a post complaining about Bloom Bashers. To me, it's the same thing as complaining about Pink Hats. We're all here because we want the Red Sox to win (maybe too obsessively). I don't think there was anyone who was so down on Bloom that would have trashed him if he actually made a slam dunk great move. For a long time, A700 HATED Theo and called him every name in the book. Did that mean he wrote him off, didn't want him to succeed and would never be excited about him? No! He even changed his avatar to "Super Theo" after the AGon/Crawford moves. I believe the half of the board that didn't like Bloom would have changed their minds if he just did moves that they liked, so why group people into some negative subgroupings that are relatively meaningless?

[moonslav59]

I'm not specifically calling you out, but there are several posters on here who group other posters into the Bloom Squad or Kimmi's Gang or whatever. Then when you ask who's part of it, you never get a response. I will quote tweet those posters and they never ever respond.

 

I never made a post complaining about Bloom Bashers. To me, it's the same thing as complaining about Pink Hats. We're all here because we want the Red Sox to win (maybe too obsessively). I don't think there was anyone who was so down on Bloom that would have trashed him if he actually made a slam dunk great move. For a long time, A700 HATED Theo and called him every name in the book. Did that mean he wrote him off, didn't want him to succeed and would never be excited about him? No! He even changed his avatar to "Super Theo" after the AGon/Crawford moves. I believe the half of the board that didn't like Bloom would have changed their minds if he just did moves that they liked, so why group people into some negative subgroupings that are relatively meaningless?

 

Good post. I never thought about it, this way.

 

Thanks.

[Old Red]

Are you denying you said you were not a Bloom basher?

 

What's "long ago?"

 

For someone who criticizes me for using the term, you sure don't seem to mind, anymore.

 

It's funny how when we were doing well in July, you went into hiding.

 

You criticized me for saying you seem to get giddy when we lose, from all your self back patting. Now, the team and FO is in turmoil. You point out every day how "nobody wants to work for JH." Your giddiness is leaking out of my laptop, as I type.

 

We lost: you won!

 

Hip-hip hurray for Ole RED!

I point out everyday that no one wants to work for JH? It’s all over the internet, or are you blind to all of that? You make it sound like I’m the only one doing it. Get a grip with reality that the Red Sox are not as highly regarded around MLB as you think they are, and you can blame JH for a lot of that, but Bloom gets his share too. The Boston Red Sox being a losing, last place in the Div team will do that to you. Firing DD was not a good look after the record he had.

We keep going round, and round on the basher thing. I’ve criticized Bloom as much as anyone since day 1, and have admitted it proudly. You call criticism of Bloom bashing. I don’t.

I don’t remember how long ago I told you I had Basher shirts made up, and named the Bowling team that, but it was at least two months ago. Get off the hiding thing like you are a big super fan, because you bailed on the 2022 team, and showed your true colors. Mic drop.

[mvp 78]

I point out everyday that no one wants to work for JH? It’s all over the internet, or are you blind to all of that? You make it sound like I’m the only one doing it. Get a grip with reality that the Red Sox are not as highly regarded around MLB as you think they are, and you can blame JH for a lot of that, but Bloom gets his share too. The Boston Red Sox being a losing, last place in the Div team will do that to you. Firing DD was not a good look after the record he had.

We keep going round, and round on the basher thing. I’ve criticized Bloom as much as anyone since day 1, and have admitted it proudly. You call criticism of Bloom bashing. I don’t.

I don’t remember how long ago I told you I had Basher shirts made up, and named the Bowling team that, but it was at least two months ago. Get off the hiding thing like you are a big super fan, because you bailed on the 2022 team, and showed your true colors. Mic drop.

 

The issue isn't the losing or the 4 year firings. I think the issue is that there isn't any room for turnover in the FO as I noted earlier. When you take this job, you're stuck with the people already employed. This is JH's vision of a FO, not the the next CBO's. That's why Click and others will either drop out or not interview.

 

Keeping BOH around was a bad idea.

[moonslav59]

I point out everyday that no one wants to work for JH? It’s all over the internet, or are you blind to all of that? You make it sound like I’m the only one doing it. Get a grip with reality that the Red Sox are not as highly regarded around MLB as you think they are, and you can blame JH for a lot of that, but Bloom gets his share too.

 

Umm, just because I say you point it our everyday, does not mean I disagree.

 

I agree that our FO is in turmoil. We are leaderless, right now. Yes, Bloom, JH, kennedy and others all share in the blame. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out how this all seems to make you giddy and nobody else.

[moonslav59]

You call criticism of Bloom bashing. I don’t.

 

You don't? But, you wear the t-shirt, proudly?

 

Mic drop.

[moonslav59]

Get off the hiding thing like you are a big super fan, because you bailed on the 2022 team, and showed your true colors.

 

Touched a nerve?

 

Again, the difference is, I admitted it. You never can.

 

You claim you gave up watching because the league was watered down, then came enthusiastically rushing back, once we started losing. Baseball suddenly was no longer watered down, when we started losing. Got it.

 

I never went anywhere, last year. I watched every last game and was not happy about being right about the team sucking and how we should have sold off everything not tied down.

Edited October 18, 2023 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

I'm not specifically calling you out, but there are several posters on here who group other posters into the Bloom Squad or Kimmi's Gang or whatever. Then when you ask who's part of it, you never get a response. I will quote tweet those posters and they never ever respond.

 

I never made a post complaining about Bloom Bashers. To me, it's the same thing as complaining about Pink Hats. We're all here because we want the Red Sox to win (maybe too obsessively). I don't think there was anyone who was so down on Bloom that would have trashed him if he actually made a slam dunk great move. For a long time, A700 HATED Theo and called him every name in the book. Did that mean he wrote him off, didn't want him to succeed and would never be excited about him? No! He even changed his avatar to "Super Theo" after the AGon/Crawford moves. I believe the half of the board that didn't like Bloom would have changed their minds if he just did moves that they liked, so why group people into some negative subgroupings that are relatively meaningless?

Good post, and obsessively is a good word that describes what goes on way too often on here. I’ve been on message boards, and other forums for many, many years plus listening to, and participating in many talk shows, and just many discussions from bowling alleys to clubs to just around the water cooler at work, and I’ve never encountered anything like this, or anyone like on here. I’ve never been called a hater before either, or go root for another team. Winning would most likely changed lots of perceptions, but it didn’t happen.

[moonslav59]

This from MLBTR...

 

Kim Ng Preferred Justin Turner To Jean Segura Last Offseason

By Leo Morgenstern | October 18, 2023 at 3:37pm CDT

 

Former Marlins GM Kim Ng remains a popular topic of conversation around baseball, following her surprise departure from the organization earlier this week. This morning, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald provided some insight into one of Ng’s worst errors of judgment during her tenure in Miami: signing Jean Segura to a two-year, $17MM deal last winter. According to Jackson, the executive wanted Justin Turner to play third base for the Marlins in 2023, but she was forced to change gears and pursue Segura after Turner signed with the Red Sox.