Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

But the most relevant one since JH signs the checks.

 

Most relevant? No.

[moonslav59]

I missed the trade part, but why would any team pay $140M to get rid of someone. The Sox paying to get rid of Price was bad enough as was paying JT to opt out.

 

It's not the $140M spent they look at. It's the $110M saved that might make it worthwhile.

 

I doubt the Angels trade him and pay more than $70-80M. I doubt the Sox even ask about him.

[Old Red]

Because otherwise they are paying $250M and not getting the trade return.

 

I get that, but Just don’t see it happening.

[cp176]

I fixed your post for you.

 

I'm 73 - I'm Scottish - I'm from Maine. These are just a couple of reasons why you should not change my statements.

[moonslav59]

Trout + 140M (Sox paying Trout to be a 2 fWAR guy for through 2030)

 

for

 

Duran

Crawford

 

BTV accepted Duran & Crawford for B Garrett.

 

Our OF/DH situation, without any additions would look like:

 

DH: Yoshida

LF: Abreu-Refsnyder (Yoshida)

CF: Rafaela-Abreu

RF: Dugo- Abreu

 

(and we could trade Dugo and sign Duvall.)

Edited November 16, 2023 by moonslav59

[cp176]

I don't think they will do it, but it's fun to talk about on here.

 

I agree with you. It is a lot more fun to talk about this team possibly trying to acquire legit superstars as opposed to watching them walk away.

[moonslav59]

I'm 73 - I'm Scottish - I'm from Maine. These are just a couple of reasons why you should not change my statements.

 

All good reasons.

 

[moonslav59]

I agree with you. It is a lot more fun to talk about this team possibly trying to acquire legit superstars as opposed to watching them walk away.

 

If I felt like Trout could play 140+ games for a few years, I'd be all for it, as might most others.

 

Shiny superstars who rarely play are not what I think we should pursue.

[cp176]

If I felt like Trout could play 140+ games for a few years, I'd be all for it, as might most others.

 

Shiny superstars who rarely play are not what I think we should pursue.

 

I'm not sure he would need to play 140 for me. Granted it's a lot of money for someone who has had to deal with being banged up recently. But - and yes it is a big one - It is Mike Trout. I just happen to think that the franchise has to make at least one or two deals like this just to show us that there really is going to be an effort to get things back to where they should be.

[cp176]

All good reasons.

 

 

I thought that you would like them. Beats me saying that I'm just a cranky old bastard who doesn't want to be bugged. lol

[mvp 78]

I get that, but Just don’t see it happening.

 

I don't care.

[mvp 78]

I agree with you. It is a lot more fun to talk about this team possibly trying to acquire legit superstars as opposed to watching them walk away.

 

Nothing going on. May as well talk about something.

[mvp 78]

@AriA1exander

SOURCE: The #RedSox are signing LHP Helcris Olivarez to a minor league deal with an MLB Spring Training Invite.

 

The 23-year old LHP Dominican flamethrower is a former top prospect with the Rockies.

 

He has made 50 MiLB starts and has a career 10.4 K/9, and has touched 101 MPH.

[Old Red]

I don't care.

 

If you don’t care why talk about it especially if there is not a snowballs chance in hell of it happening.🙈

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@AriA1exander

SOURCE: The #RedSox are signing LHP Helcris Olivarez to a minor league deal with an MLB Spring Training Invite.

 

The 23-year old LHP Dominican flamethrower is a former top prospect with the Rockies.

 

He has made 50 MiLB starts and has a career 10.4 K/9, and has touched 101 MPH.

 

The only difference in the Breslow Era and the Bloom Era so far is the news didn't end with, "Currently rehabbing from minor surgery, a blackened big toenail and a bruised ego, Olivarez should be ready to pitch on flat ground by the trade deadline... in 2025."

[mvp 78]

If you don’t care why talk about it especially if there is not a snowballs chance in hell of it happening.

 

I care to talk about Trout getting traded to the Sox because it's fun. I don't care that you think it won't happen. You are just trying to rain on our fun parade.

[mvp 78]

The only difference in the Breslow Era and the Bloom Era so far is the news didn't end with, "Currently rehabbing from minor surgery, a blackened big toenail and a bruised ego, Olivarez should be ready to pitch on flat ground by the trade deadline... in 2025."

 

@redsoxstats

Helcris Olivarez is an interesting minor league signing. He had tons of prospect helium in 19-20, had an incredibly wild 2021 while showing outrageous stuff, then had a scapula strain / eventual shoulder capsule surgery late in 2022. He missed this year, but returned last month

 

The surgery was far from minor!

[Old Red]

I care to talk about Trout getting traded to the Sox because it's fun. I don't care that you think it won't happen. You are just trying to rain on our fun parade.

 

Dreaming in La La land is fun? BTV accepts this, and BTV accepts that must be fun too, but I asked a while back when is the last time when of those suggested trades actually happened? To each its own I guess, on what’s an example of what fun is. As far as the fun parade goes, and I like parades, but I would say it’s been Bloom, and JH that has done the raining on your parade.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I care to talk about Trout getting traded to the Sox because it's fun. I don't care that you think it won't happen. You are just trying to rain on our fun parade.

 

Here's another one: according to BTV, if the Red Sox just took both Burnes (32) and Yellich (-35) off the Brewers' hands, Milwaukee would still owe Boston a minor league infielder like Eric Brown Jr. or Mike Boeve (each at 2.5).

 

Then the site could be called Baseball Giveaway Values.

[notin]

Dreaming in La La land is fun? BTV accepts this, and BTV accepts that must be fun too, but I asked a while back when is the last time when of those suggested trades actually happened? To each its own I guess, on what’s an example of what fun is. As far as the fun parade goes, and I like parades, but I would say it’s been Bloom, and JH that has done the raining on your parade.

 

That’s a f***ing stupid question. So it’s invalid because GMs use different names?

 

Check the site out. Well over 50% of trades that do happen work using their system.

 

Also, Bloom and Henry don’t post here…

[notin]

If I felt like Trout could play 140+ games for a few years, I'd be all for it, as might most others.

 

Shiny superstars who rarely play are not what I think we should pursue.

 

Of course if Trout could play 140 games, why would LA trade him?

[mvp 78]

That’s a f***ing stupid question. So it’s invalid because GMs use different names?

 

Check the site out. Well over 50% of trades that do happen work using their system.

 

Also, Bloom and Henry don’t post here…

 

You must think going out for ice cream is fun!?!?!?

[moonslav59]

Of course if Trout could play 140 games, why would LA trade him?

 

They might still want to dump his salary to start over and spread it out more evenly, next time.

[Old Red]

That’s a f***ing stupid question. So it’s invalid because GMs use different names?

 

Check the site out. Well over 50% of trades that do happen work using their system.

 

Also, Bloom and Henry don’t post here…

 

F’n stupid question? You mean like you asking if the Red Sox signed JT for the bench? I don’t care about BTV just like I don’t care about analytics. There is nothing wrong with that just like there isn’t anything wrong with the people who do. All I’ve asked is when was the last time a suggested BTV trade on here actually happened?

Who said anything about Bloom, and Henry posted on here. The point being it would be more fun being a Red Sox fan if Bloom, and JH did a better job, so the Red Sox would be a winning team who got into the postseason.

[notin]

F’n stupid question? You mean like you asking if the Red Sox signed JT for the bench? I don’t care about BTV just like I don’t care about analytics. There is nothing wrong with that just like there isn’t anything wrong with the people who do. All I’ve asked is when was the last time a suggested BTV trade on here actually happened?

Who said anything about Bloom, and Henry posted on here. The point being it would be more fun being a Red Sox fan if Bloom, and JH did a better job, so the Red Sox would be a winning team who got into the postseason.

 

No one cares if you like BTV or not. Like analytics they exist and your attempts to discredit them are ridiculous. That the trades don’t happen is irrelevant. You listen to Felger and Mazz - two guys who thought the Sox could acquire Juan Soto 18 months ago without giving up any good prospects. When was the last time they suggested (not reported, suggested) any trade that actually happened?

 

What gets posted on this board is often irrelevant to the performance of the team. Go back to 2018 and find me the “Yeah happy day to be a Sox fan” thread…

[notin]

They might still want to dump his salary to start over and spread it out more evenly, next time.

 

Maybe, but not likely. They’d probably focus dumping as much Rendon as possible…

[dgalehouse]

There were folks who said last season's Red Sox were " fun to watch " . Really. They actually said that.

[notin]

You must think going out for ice cream is fun!?!?!?

 

Unless it’s some weird seasonal flavor like “turkey stuffing” or “green bean casserole”…

[moonslav59]

Maybe, but not likely. They’d probably focus dumping as much Rendon as possible…

 

Agreed. Trout still sells tickets.

[moonslav59]

There were folks who said last season's Red Sox were " fun to watch " . Really. They actually said that.

 

They were, until they weren't.