Trade Deadline 2023

[Old Red]

So Sale and Whitlock came back as promised and both did well. If Houck follows suit, it's actually going to make the trade deadline inactivity look quite justifiable.

 

If all the injured pitchers come back, and do well great, but to me the Red Sox went way too long using openers, and especially against the last series with Toronto. We’ll see how things end up, but if the Red Sox end up missing out on the postseason by a game, or 2 it won’t look so good.

[moonslav59]

So Sale and Whitlock came back as promised and both did well. If Houck follows suit, it's actually going to make the trade deadline inactivity look quite justifiable.

 

We still may have lost 1-2 games by not getting a SP'er before July 30th's pen game loss.

 

7/30 loss (Bernardino)

8/5 loss (Schreiber)

8/6 loss (Bernardino)

 

Plus, the tax those pen games took on our pen.

 

If we end up missing the playoffs by 1-3 games, this can still be a debate that goes on all winter long.

[Bellhorn04]

We still may have lost 1-2 games by not getting a SP'er before July 30th's pen game loss.

 

7/30 loss (Bernardino)

8/5 loss (Schreiber)

8/6 loss (Bernardino)

 

Plus, the tax those pen games took on our pen.

 

If we end up missing the playoffs by 1-3 games, this can still be a debate that goes on all winter long.

 

Hard to say what said SPer would have done in those games.

 

And our offense didn't score a lot of runs in those games.

[moonslav59]

Hard to say what said SPer would have done in those games.

 

And our offense didn't score a lot of runs in those games.

 

Yes, that is why I said "may have lost."

 

My guess is Lorenzen would likely have won one game.

[notin]

Yes, that is why I said "may have lost."

 

My guess is Lorenzen would likely have won one game.

 

If he was even scheduled that day…

[moonslav59]

If he was even scheduled that day…

 

We lost 3 pen games from July 30th onwards. I'm pretty sure had we traded for 1 pitcher, he'd have had 2-3 starts, and we'd have 2-3 less pen games, depending on who we traded for and when.

 

Minimum 2 games.

[mvp 78]

Or instead of getting a pitcher at the deadline, getting a better pitcher than Kluber in the offseason?

[moonslav59]

Or instead of getting a pitcher at the deadline, getting a better pitcher than Kluber in the offseason?

 

Dead horse.

[Hugh2]

Or instead of getting a pitcher at the deadline, getting a better pitcher than Kluber in the offseason?

 

Now you're talking my language. I do anticipate, maybe hope, Henry and company are going to turn a few heads and make a big splash this offseason.

 

Not Ohtani big.

[mvp 78]

Dead horse.

 

Would pitch about as well as Kluber.

[Old Red]

Would pitch about as well as Kluber.

 

Where are they hiding Kluber now?

[Hugh2]

Where are they hiding Kluber now?

 

Playing a very good game of hide and no seek on the IL.

[mvp 78]

Where are they hiding Kluber now?

 

Shut down from all baseball activities on 7/29/23 and is on the IL (shoulder).

[notin]

Would pitch about as well as Kluber.

 

Urias big would be nice, but I think even that is pushing it…

[moonslav59]

Playing a very good game of hide and no seek on the IL.

 

Isn't there a time limit on rehab assignments?

[mvp 78]

Isn't there a time limit on rehab assignments?

 

Yes, but he's not rehabbing, he's just on the IL. A player can refuse the IL if he's healthy. Kluber is not healthy. With the rehab, a player can only be rehabbing on in MiLB for 20 days (the Trevor Story rule we just saw).

 

My guess is Kluber's shoulder is really bad, he doesn't want surgery and is just waiting out the season. Maybe he retires in the offseason?

[moonslav59]

Yes, but he's not rehabbing, he's just on the IL. A player can refuse the IL if he's healthy. Kluber is not healthy. With the rehab, a player can only be rehabbing on in MiLB for 20 days (the Trevor Story rule we just saw).

 

My guess is Kluber's shoulder is really bad, he doesn't want surgery and is just waiting out the season. Maybe he retires in the offseason?

 

Okay. Good to know.

[mvp 78]

He hadn't gone past 7 innings before this season. In back to back starts with PHI he went 8 and 9, throwing 101 and 124 pitches.

 

I know you have a shiny new toy and are trying to get into the playoffs, but the guy had a 7-0 lead. No matter how much you hate your pen, you have to think about the next 2 months with him. He's already at a career innings high for a season.

 

Maybe it works out? It's a gamble though for a guy in his 30's though.

 

After getting 8 days off, Lorenzen's next start:

 

3.1 Inn

1K

1BB

8H

6ER

 

Maybe they should have saved some bullets for a guy who hasn't been a fulltime starter?

[Bellhorn04]

After getting 8 days off, Lorenzen's next start:

 

3.1 Inn

1K

1BB

8H

6ER

 

Maybe they should have saved some bullets for a guy who hasn't been a fulltime starter?

 

Glad I agreed on that one LOL

[mvp 78]

@StudyHallSharp

Michael Lorenzen threw a no-hitter against the Nationals last week

 

His xFIP in that start per Fangraphs? 5.85

 

Phillies fans don't seem to be too upset right now. We'll see how they feel after his next start.

[Dipre]

...who will be lambasting the team if he gets even a muscle cramp between now and the end of the season.

 

[notin]

@StudyHallSharp

Michael Lorenzen threw a no-hitter against the Nationals last week

 

His xFIP in that start per Fangraphs? 5.85

 

Phillies fans don't seem to be too upset right now. We'll see how they feel after his next start.

 

They’ll boo him just like they booed Gandhi, the tooth fairy, and Francis the field-goal-kicking mule…

[mvp 78]

They’ll boo him just like they booed Gandhi, the tooth fairy, and Francis the field-goal-kicking mule…

 

I thought that was Gus?

[notin]

I thought that was Gus?

 

Maybe?

 

I think they’d boo either one…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They’ll boo him just like they booed Gandhi, the tooth fairy, and Francis the field-goal-kicking mule…

 

... but not the Rocky statue.

[Bellhorn04]

... but not the Rocky statue.

 

The City of Brotherly f*** You

[dgalehouse]

I would guess that Phillies fans are much like Sox fans. Rabid, with severe mood swings depending on the team's recent performance.

[moonslav59]

It's a hockey town, so how bad can it be?

[notin]

It's a hockey town, so how bad can it be?

 

They have 4 major sports and are “passionate” about them all.

 

The funniest story of the year was earlier in when Trea Turner was getting booed at home games by his own mom!!

[Bellhorn04]

They have 4 major sports and are “passionate” about them all.

 

The funniest story of the year was earlier in when Trea Turner was getting booed at home games by his own mom!!

 

You may have caught the recent story about Eagles fans doing the wave while an injured player for the other team was being carted off the field. It's stories like this that contribute to the legend of Philly sports fans obnoxiousness/stupidity.