Trade Deadline 2023

[mvp 78]

We all love Raffy, but he's not having a great season - on pace for 3 fWAR.

 

His barrel % is fine. His BABIP is lower than normal in part to hitting more flyballs. Is he trying to hit more dingers to justify the contract?

[mvp 78]

Have zero expectations for today. Most likely see some prospects that we have never heard of. Maybe he can clear out the 40 man crunch a little by moving Mata?

[sk7326]

Bloom certainly discussed it with fans at Winter Weekend, when he said "you know what's coming" from the farm, so that Raffy was worth making "that bet" (paying) to soon be surrounded with talent.

 

Chaim didn't specify what talent he was talking about, so who knows -- the Sox may soon bring up some good painters, yodelers or coders.

 

This just in from JP Morosi: "Sources say buyers include LAD, BAL, HOU, SFG, TBR, ARI, CIN, MIA, PHI, ATL." Does that mean the others are sellers? So far?

 

I think the number of pure sellers is very low. But Seattle just traded its closer today and they are in the same WC position as Boston. So how the mushy middle behaves is still up in the air.

[mvp 78]

I think the number of pure sellers is very low. But Seattle just traded its closer today and they are in the same WC position as Boston. So how the mushy middle behaves is still up in the air.

 

Because the number of sellers is low, the Sox could take advantage and sell some of their assets for decent value. Their playoff odds are pretty low at 25%.

[redsoxrules]

In all honesty, yes they have a shot at the playoffs. Mainly because there is 6 teams making it now. This is a hot and cold type team. When you think they are toast they go on a run and after the run you get all confident and all of sudden they go back cold. So honestly I don't know what to think of this team anymore. Maybe just try to get into the playoffs and hope you hit the hot streak when you get it

[mvp 78]

In all honesty, yes they have a shot at the playoffs. Mainly because there is 6 teams making it now. This is a hot and cold type team. When you think they are toast they go on a run and after the run you get all confident and all of sudden they go back cold. So honestly I don't know what to think of this team anymore. Maybe just try to get into the playoffs and hope you hit the hot streak when you get it

 

They are going to try to get in, but it will be with a group that looks like the one that is currently on the field. Story, Sale, Whitlock and Houck will be the major MLB additions.

[Maxbialystock]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Maxbialystock

[mvp 78]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

 

1. Whitlock and Houck won't be ready until September. Sale will not look like he did earlier in the year. Why not upgrade cheaply if you can?

2. Duvall isn't sticking around. If you can deal him, it makes sense to get something for him.

3. Turner is a bad 2b right now. You can't have him out there everyday. Reyes should be DFA'd when Story returns.

4. Ok?

5. I thought you put Houck and Whitlock in #1? They don't have any internal options in AAA. If they want to add for August, it needs to come via trade.

[illinoisredsox]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

 

Reyes has a decent enough bat for a utility guy. When Story comes back, is it Pablo or Arroyo who goes? Chang is useless at the plate (twice as many Ks as hits in nearly 100 PAs), but has the best IF glove on the team.

 

Last nights Jacques use was due to using 7 guys on Sunday. The pen has been getting better, but they are getting worn out from 2 BP games a week plus the normal load the other games.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

 

It's not a dumb post, because this forum isn't a place to disparage others just because you disagree with opinions or how they're presented.

 

What's dumb is that I'll probably watch MLB channel the last hour of the deadline (not the zombie NESN show) -- like I've done every year of the Bloom Era -- wishing and hoping the Red Sox make moves to get better players who will actually improve this season.... or better yet, next year, or the awesome one after that.

 

Counting on all the injured players returning in this new month -- and playing at past peaks -- is about as safe a bet as going into the season with the roster Bloom built and saying, "If everything breaks our way..."

[moonslav59]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

 

I think Bloom agrees with much of this, and we won't see anything major from the Sox, today.

 

I think we trade Duvall.

I think we add a marginal SP'er for a prospect or two that are not high on Bloom's list.

 

We will not give up a major future piece for a rental.

 

If a controllable SP'er is available, maybe.... ooops, I'm dreaming, again.

 

[Maxbialystock]

Reyes has a decent enough bat for a utility guy. When Story comes back, is it Pablo or Arroyo who goes? Chang is useless at the plate (twice as many Ks as hits in nearly 100 PAs), but has the best IF glove on the team.

 

Last nights Jacques use was due to using 7 guys on Sunday. The pen has been getting better, but they are getting worn out from 2 BP games a week plus the normal load the other games.

 

Good point about Sunday--I forgot it was 11 innings, etc.

 

When Story arrives, I dump Chang.

[Maxbialystock]

I think Bloom agrees with much of this, and we won't see anything major from the Sox, today.

 

I think we trade Duvall.

I think we add a marginal SP'er for a prospect or two that are not high on Bloom's list.

 

We will not give up a major future piece for a rental.

 

If a controllable SP'er is available, maybe.... ooops, I'm dreaming, again.

 

 

Depending on what Bloom gets back, I don't mind trading Duvall or Dugo or whoever.

[notin]

Good point about Sunday--I forgot it was 11 innings, etc.

 

When Story arrives, I dump Chang.

 

They’ll dump Reyes and hope he clears waivers. They’ll keep Chang in case Story gets hurt again…

[Maxbialystock]

1. Whitlock and Houck won't be ready until September. Sale will not look like he did earlier in the year. Why not upgrade cheaply if you can?

2. Duvall isn't sticking around. If you can deal him, it makes sense to get something for him.

3. Turner is a bad 2b right now. You can't have him out there everyday. Reyes should be DFA'd when Story returns.

4. Ok?

5. I thought you put Houck and Whitlock in #1? They don't have any internal options in AAA. If they want to add for August, it needs to come via trade.

 

1. I've been saying September because Ian Browne (mlb.com) has said so, but now he says both start rehab assignments soon, so they should be back in August. And Sale should be back sooner. I expect Sale to be Good Sale when he returns, but with pitch limits, at least initially. I expect Houck and Whitlock to go to the bullpen.

 

2. Fine, trade Duvall because the Sox still have Yoshida, Duran, Dugo, and Ref.

 

3. Don't disagree about Turner's defense at 2b, but Cora has used him so that Casas can play 1b and Yoshida can DH.

 

5. As I said in 1, Houck and Whitlock should both go to the bullpen, but I'm fine with whatever Cora decides.

[notin]

Time for a really dumb post (yet again) by yours truly. It sure looks like Bloom is standing pat, especially with regard to getting a decent starter. And I agree with him.

 

Here's why--

 

1. Rotation right now is pretty decent with Bello, Paxton, Crawford, and Pivetta--and one or more of Sale, Houck, or Whitlock due back this month.

2. Five pretty decent outfield bats in Yoshida, Duran, Duvall, Dugo, and Refsnyder--and only Yoshida is weak defensively.

3. When Story returns (shortly), Cora can field four good infield bats: Devers, Story, Turner, and Casas. Plus Reyes and Chang available for defense.

4. With McGuire also due back soon, pretty good catching (especially Wong) and above average hitting (for catchers).

5. A so-so bullpen, which earned "so-so" last night when Jacques was sent in, no doubt at Seattle's request, to sabotage a pretty darn good start by Pivetta. However, Whitlock and Houck could help in the bullpen provided they actually come off the IL.

 

1. They really need a starter. They needed one last year, too, but couldn’t work anything out. Hopefully there was a lesson there.

2. OF is a surplus, and one can go. Keep Duran, Yoshida and Refsnyder. Move one of Duvall or Verdugo, especially if you’re not extending Verdugo

3. Turner is a gamer, but the Sox do need an upgrade at 2b. At one point, Bloom was talking about a LHH middle infielder, presumably to platoon with Arroyo. Potential candidates my weak and superficial research include Tony Kemp, Luis Guillorme and Harold Castro. Ji Hwan Bae was a candidate I overlooked.

4. Catcher is Wong/McGuire. Alfaro is a placeholder. Agreed.

5. Another arm for the bullpen should be a Deadline Standard for every team buying at the deadline.

[mvp 78]

Reyes has a decent enough bat for a utility guy. When Story comes back, is it Pablo or Arroyo who goes? Chang is useless at the plate (twice as many Ks as hits in nearly 100 PAs), but has the best IF glove on the team.

 

Last nights Jacques use was due to using 7 guys on Sunday. The pen has been getting better, but they are getting worn out from 2 BP games a week plus the normal load the other games.

 

I'd keep Chang over Arroyo or Reyes. His glove is so good that it outweighs his horrible bat.

 

Jacques' bad night last night is due to him not being a very good pitcher.

[redsoxrules]

Bo Bichette injury is probably somewhat serious as the Jays are about to land Paul Dejong as per reports

[Dipre]

It's not a dumb post, because this forum isn't a place to disparage others just because you disagree with opinions or how they're presented.

 

What's dumb is that I'll probably watch MLB channel the last hour of the deadline (not the zombie NESN show) -- like I've done every year of the Bloom Era -- wishing and hoping the Red Sox make moves to get better players who will actually improve this season.... or better yet, next year, or the awesome one after that.

 

Counting on all the injured players returning in this new month -- and playing at past peaks -- is about as safe a bet as going into the season with the roster Bloom built and saying, "If everything breaks our way..."

 

Glass houses fine sir.

[Maxbialystock]

1. They really need a starter. They needed one last year, too, but couldn’t work anything out. Hopefully there was a lesson there.

2. OF is a surplus, and one can go. Keep Duran, Yoshida and Refsnyder. Move one of Duvall or Verdugo, especially if you’re not extending Verdugo

3. Turner is a gamer, but the Sox do need an upgrade at 2b. At one point, Bloom was talking about a LHH middle infielder, presumably to platoon with Arroyo. Potential candidates my weak and superficial research include Tony Kemp, Luis Guillorme and Harold Castro. Ji Hwan Bae was a candidate I overlooked.

4. Catcher is Wong/McGuire. Alfaro is a placeholder. Agreed.

5. Another arm for the bullpen should be a Deadline Standard for every team buying at the deadline.

 

Can't disagree with any of that.

 

1. I've argued (mostly in support of moonslav) that the Sox badly need a starter because these bullpen games will be very expensive once we start playing 48 games with just 2 days off. That starts Friday, August 4. Cora will want/need Sale starting within a week to 10 days after that (if not sooner). But I'm defending Bloom because I suspect the "selling" teams are asking too much for even a so-so starter. In fact, I doubt that Bloom can get anyone as good as Bello, Paxton, Crawford, or Pivetta.

2. Agree.

3. Agree, but I'm still willing to give up some defense to get another good bat in the lineup. So is Cora. But just not most of the time.

[Dipre]

Can't disagree with any of that.

 

1. I've argued (mostly in support of moonslav) that the Sox badly need a starter because these bullpen games will be very expensive once we start playing 48 games with just 2 days off. That starts Friday, August 4. Cora will want/need Sale starting within a week to 10 days after that (if not sooner). But I'm defending Bloom because I suspect the "selling" teams are asking too much for even a so-so starter. In fact, I doubt that Bloom can get anyone as good as Bello, Paxton, Crawford, or Pivetta.

2. Agree.

3. Agree, but I'm still willing to give up some defense to get another good bat in the lineup. So is Cora. But just not most of the time.

 

This pitching staff is not equipped to handle that stretch.

[mvp 78]

Can't disagree with any of that.

 

1. I've argued (mostly in support of moonslav) that the Sox badly need a starter because these bullpen games will be very expensive once we start playing 48 games with just 2 days off. That starts Friday, August 4. Cora will want/need Sale starting within a week to 10 days after that (if not sooner). But I'm defending Bloom because I suspect the "selling" teams are asking too much for even a so-so starter. In fact, I doubt that Bloom can get anyone as good as Bello, Paxton, Crawford, or Pivetta.

2. Agree.

3. Agree, but I'm still willing to give up some defense to get another good bat in the lineup. So is Cora. But just not most of the time.

 

In regards to Turner at 2b, it's not about simply defense. It's also about his age and health. Cora wants to take it easy on Turner and is worried that one wrong double play turn will take a huge cog out of the batting order. Turner is seen as a good fill in here and there, but won't be at 2b everyday.

[moonslav59]

When Story comes back, they will ease him into a FT role. I’d keep Chang to play SS the days Story does not.

[moonslav59]

I’d trade Arroyo and keep Reyes

[moonslav59]

Padres are not selling and Verlander wants to go to Houston and if not then LA

 

Can’t believe everything you read.

 

After saying Cease is not on the market, so he is reportedly being shopped.

 

I’d love to see him on the Sox, but I doubt it’s even a long shot

[notin]

I will say, if you hated hearing “Red Sox are in on…” and then nothing getting said player, this is the trade deadline for you.

 

Less than 3 hours and not even a leaked rumor…

[notin]

Verlander to Houston

 

Lorenzen to Philadelphia

[mvp 78]

Rays making trades.

Jays making trades.

Astros making trades.

Angels making trades.

Rangers making trades.

Red Sox?

[Dipre]

Rays making trades.

Jays making trades.

Astros making trades.

Angels making trades.

Rangers making trades.

Red Sox?

 

Red Sox Blooming

[dgalehouse]

Verlander to Houston

 

Lorenzen to Philadelphia

 

MLB trade rumors should be called " MLB trade reports." They seldom have rumors that actually come to pass. But they are usually the first to report on trades after they happen.