Trade Deadline 2023

[Hugh2]

Historically, the Sox have not wanted a .700 OPS guy in CF.

 

Well people may be disappointed in Rafaela. I hope he can hit enough to stick in the majors. Correction, his defense and speed and contact skills give him a high floor. He’s a future MLBer. How much he hits will ultimately determine if he’s a defense first or something more.

[moonslav59]

Well people may be disappointed in Rafaela. I hope he can hit enough to stick in the majors. Correction, his defense and speed and contact skills give him a high floor. He’s a future MLBer. How much he hits will ultimately determine if he’s a defense first or something more.

 

The Sox went the extra mile with JBJ, then added another mile.

 

I think they can and will be patient with his bat.

[harmony]

Unlikely Yankee trade target:

 

https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/7/28/23809494/yankees-mlb-trade-deadline-red-sox-rotation-lefty-starting-pitcher-fastball-cutter-curveball

[Dojji]

Crazy trade proposal time!

 

Yorke, Rafaela, Duvall to the Marlins

Jesus Luzardo to the Red Sox

 

This is actually a trade that potentially makes both teams better both now and over the next multiple years. Luzardo is a stud and he has 4 years of team control after this one. If you trade top prospects like Yorke and Rafaela in a blockbuster, he's who you target. Meanwhile the Marlins are quietly trying to contend too and Rafaela and Duvall both represent upgrades to their current roster. Rafaela would jump right in and probably play center for them, and Duvall would add offense from the outfield that Miami isn't getting now.

 

So this is actually a trade that would put both teams in a stronger position both this year and going forward. The Marlins add 2 top prospects and a rental bat, and we get probably our #2 starter with 4 years of arb control..

[notin]

Crazy trade proposal time!

 

Yorke, Rafaela, Duvall to the Marlins

Jesus Luzardo to the Red Sox

 

This is actually a trade that potentially makes both teams better both now and over the next multiple years. Luzardo is a stud and he has 4 years of team control after this one. If you trade top prospects like Yorke and Rafaela in a blockbuster, he's who you target. Meanwhile the Marlins are quietly trying to contend too and Rafaela and Duvall both represent upgrades to their current roster. Rafaela would jump right in and probably play center for them, and Duvall would add offense from the outfield that Miami isn't getting now.

 

So this is actually a trade that would put both teams in a stronger position both this year and going forward. The Marlins add 2 top prospects and a rental bat, and we get probably our #2 starter with 4 years of arb control..

 

Except Miami, who loses their #2 starter.

 

Per BTV, the Sox would need to throw in either Casas or Bello to make this deal acceptable.

 

On MLBTR, Miami is looking to as starting pitching, not subtract it.

 

The Marlins do need OF help, but I’d be extremely surprised to see them pay this price. Duvall didn’t add much to this deal. Yorke and Rafaela are good pieces, but (again per BTV) are probably better for Braxton Garrett than the unobtainable Luzardo.

 

I think the idea of moving Verdugo for SP (which will definitely take a 3 team deal) makes a lot of sense…

[Dipre]

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

[notin]

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

 

Because they realize you have to give up something good to get something good?

 

I’d prefer to see more Yorke proposals than an endless streak of “Dalbec/Murphy/Enmanuel Valdez for Sandy Alcantara” proposals…

[moonslav59]

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

 

You gotta give to get.

 

With Story back and Mayer anointed the sure bet status he has yet to earn, and guys like Rafaela, Romero and others looking better on defense, it seems a natural instinct to offer him.

[moonslav59]

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

 

Part of being okay with the idea of drafting everyday players over pitchers is that someday you trade some for more known commodity pitchers.

[Dipre]

I bet dollars to doughnuts Bloom does not trade any of his high ceiling MIF prospects for rentals.

[Bellhorn04]

I bet dollars to doughnuts Bloom does not trade any of his high ceiling MIF prospects for rentals.

 

I agree. A lot of doughnuts cost more than a dollar now, though.

[Dipre]

I'll bet dollars to STORK's opinions then

[Bellhorn04]

I'll bet dollars to STORK's opinions then

 

Very solid comeback.

[moonslav59]

I bet dollars to doughnuts Bloom does not trade any of his high ceiling MIF prospects for rentals.

 

I would not- for a rental, but a controlled pitcher, yes.

[Maxbialystock]

Except Miami, who loses their #2 starter.

 

Per BTV, the Sox would need to throw in either Casas or Bello to make this deal acceptable.

 

On MLBTR, Miami is looking to as starting pitching, not subtract it.

 

The Marlins do need OF help, but I’d be extremely surprised to see them pay this price. Duvall didn’t add much to this deal. Yorke and Rafaela are good pieces, but (again per BTV) are probably better for Braxton Garrett than the unobtainable Luzardo.

 

I think the idea of moving Verdugo for SP (which will definitely take a 3 team deal) makes a lot of sense…

 

Good points.

 

A quick look at the current standings says that 22 of 30 MLB teams can legitimately claim to have a good shot at a wild card (or a division title of course). At 56-48 Miami is definitely in the hunt for a wild card.

 

If the above is anywhere near factual, there are currently 22 buyers in MLB and 8 sellers.

 

So just maybe right now is a great time to sell and not so great to buy.

[Dipre]

Marlins would never ever do that trade.

[Dipre]

Very solid comeback.

 

I'll he here all day

[Randy Red Sox]

Probably because he he not that great and once Mayer gets here sometime in 2024 Story slides over to 2B

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

[Dipre]

Probably because he he not that great and once Mayer gets here sometime in 2024 Story slides over to 2B

 

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[moonslav59]

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

 

He's still mad we drafted him so highly.

[sk7326]

What is it with this board and trying to dump Yorke on someone else?

 

Oh I don't want to "dump" Yorke. But where the Red Sox want to be as a franchise is to identify the prospects who are desirable but tradeable. I know it's annoying - but let's use the Dodgers example. The Dodgers were able to trade Alex Verdugo - a perfectly good starting outfielder prospect, to the Red Sox without thinking about it. Yes, they got a superstar in return ... but that is kind of the point. You'd like to be in a position to have good players to deal while keeping your true star ceiling clean as much as possible.

 

On the Sox farm, I think you identify Mayer (struggling at AA, but also one of the youngest regulars in that league), Anthony (with the leaps he has made and his tools) and Bleis (the tools again) as the sort of star ceiling you want to hang on to. I could be wrong of course - but we are dealing in probabilities here.

 

Ultimately I don't want to deal any of these guys unless a good player with substantial team control is coming here.

[sk7326]

I’m with you, but I also trust the Sox to judge when the time is right.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Rafaela hits well right out if the gate. Don’t ask me why, but my gut says he’ll do well all around.

 

With Rafaela, if anybody is waiting for him to develop Triston Casas' batting eye, prepare to be disappointed. But he does generate pretty good power for how tiny he is - and so far (

[notin]

He's still mad we drafted him so highly.

 

 

You take the player you want when you know he’s available. If Bloom had a second round pick that year, he might have waited to see if Yorke fell that far. But apparently he was fairly confident Yorke wouldn’t make it to round 3…

[moonslav59]

With Rafaela, if anybody is waiting for him to develop Triston Casas' batting eye, prepare to be disappointed. But he does generate pretty good power for how tiny he is - and so far (

 

Sounds about right, but his hit tool is so raw and still has upside.

 

I think he may surprise many of us by hitting better than he did in the minors, which has been pretty good. Don't ask me why I feel this way, but my gut says he should be fine at the plate- maybe better than JBJ.

[moonslav59]

You take the player you want when you know he’s available. If Bloom had a second round pick that year, he might have waited to see if Yorke fell that far. But apparently he was fairly confident Yorke wouldn’t make it to round 3…

 

You don't have to convince me.

 

Drafting Yorke also allowed more slot money for Drohan & Jordan, who might end up being pretty good, if Yorke flounders.

[Larry Cook]

Sounds about right, but his hit tool is so raw and still has upside.

 

I think he may surprise many of us by hitting better than he did in the minors, which has been pretty good. Don't ask me why I feel this way, but my gut says he should be fine at the plate- maybe better than JBJ.

 

Rafeala is what he is and I think he is ready for our roster. He is going to struggle with pitches that start in the zone and then dive out of the zone! But he will kill mid level to high pitches inside and outside the strike zone

[notin]

Rafeala is what he is and I think he is ready for our roster. He is going to struggle with pitches that start in the zone and then dive out of the zone! But he will kill mid level to high pitches inside and outside the strike zone

 

.938 OPS with 6 HRs in 23 games in Worcester. I expect him to struggle in MLB, but he is making a strong case for himself right now…

[Randy Red Sox]

so where are you going to play Yorke?

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Dipre]

so where are you going to play Yorke?

 

2B.. Story will not be here long term.

[moonslav59]

2B.. Story will not be here long term.

 

Yorke could also be moved to OF or at worst, DH.

 

It’s too early to worry about 2025 logjams.