Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[Randy Red Sox]

To A red Sox fan named Hugh---As I stated earlier I was simply referring to another poster's quote about drafting 5 shortstops but let me be perfectly clear on this. IMO the Red Sox farm system is somewhat overrated and at least it is VERY SLIM on top P prospects.

[Randy Red Sox]

when was the last time the Red Sox drafted a SP in the 1st round? Certainly not in the Bloom era.

I'm all for getting top pitchers through the farm, but that's not happening overnight.

 

We are stacked with position players and need pitching.

 

My suggestions are valid. They are not the only options, but it has been one area we have had continued success at doing. arguing we eed to do something we suck at instead, like signing big FA pitchers or drafting SP'ers in the first round, seems like a worse idea, to me.

[mvp 78]

when was the last time the Red Sox drafted a SP in the 1st round? Certainly not in the Bloom era.

 

Groome.

 

(edit: It was Houck in 2017)

[Randy Red Sox]

like i said--not in the Bloom era

Groome.

 

(edit: It was Houck in 2017)

[Hugh2]

To A red Sox fan named Hugh---As I stated earlier I was simply referring to another poster's quote about drafting 5 shortstops but let me be perfectly clear on this. IMO the Red Sox farm system is somewhat overrated and at least it is VERY SLIM on top P prospects.

 

In your opinion? So you're well versed on the farm system of all 30 teams and travel the country watching MILB games every single day?

 

The Sox system is obviously on the up and up, and according to most publications has 4 top 100 prospects in all of baseball. Heck some have 4 in the top 50!!!!

[Hugh2]

like i said--not in the Bloom era

 

What about IFA? Sox take more pitchers than position players there. That's where they got guys like Devers and Bello, are people just going to ignore the fact they've been taking more pitchers there in recent years?

[Old Red]

Groome.

 

(edit: It was Houck in 2017)

 

Groome, and Ball did not work out.

[Hugh2]

Groome, and Ball did not work out.

 

Most don't, pitchers are more risky than hitters in the draft, much more. If you go back and look at draft data from the last 20 years you will see a LOT more highschool pitchers who never made the majors than hitters.

 

Not, that the Red Sox shouldn't draft more pitchers, perhaps they should, but they've clearly shown they're among the best in all of baseball at drafting and developing hitting prospects. You can always fill in the gaps in FA, which is costly, but if you're saving money on the position side because you can draft and develop those guys then great.

 

Also, you can always trade from a position of strength for what you need. If you're better at hitting on short stops, then draft a short stop and trade him for some pitching when you have too many.

[Dipre]

Feel free to stop responding to a valid suggestion.

 

Define valid.

[Dipre]

No try drafting and developing some instead of drafting 5 shortstops.

 

Bro, are you serious with this post?

[moonslav59]

Define valid.

 

How can trading for a pitcher not be a valid idea?

[Dipre]

How can trading for a pitcher not be a valid idea?

 

With a farm system brimming with impact prospects, you trade your third-best offensive player, who is cost-controlled and doesn't have a ready-made replacements mind you? No, it's not valid.

[mvp 78]

With a farm system brimming with impact prospects, you trade your third-best offensive player, who is cost-controlled and doesn't have a ready-made replacements mind you? No, it's not valid.

 

Well, your idea is to ALSO not sign high cost FA starters (aside from Yamamoto). So how would you fill out a rotation?

[Randy Red Sox]

I did not say that the Sox farm was not on the rise. Hell that is really all Bloom seems to care about. I wonder where the Red Sox would rank if the list was based solely on P prospects. I would suggest somewhere between 25-30th

In your opinion? So you're well versed on the farm system of all 30 teams and travel the country watching MILB games every single day?

 

The Sox system is obviously on the up and up, and according to most publications has 4 top 100 prospects in all of baseball. Heck some have 4 in the top 50!!!!

[Randy Red Sox]

Bro, are you serious with this post?

 

 

I am serious about improving our P by drafting and developing them-YES

[Dipre]

Well, your idea is to ALSO not sign high cost FA starters (aside from Yamamoto). So how would you fill out a rotation?

 

Yamamoto is an exception, one that I've supported multiple times.

[Dipre]

I am serious about improving our P by drafting and developing them-YES

 

Not what you meant. And some of you think drafting and developing pitching is easy, and it's not, that's why pitching is such a scarce commodity.

[Hugh2]

The Angels drafted 20 pitchers in 20 rounds of drafting in 2021. Not one of those guys is in their top ten.

 

I suspect if the Sox did the same, they might have a barren farm system.

 

More pitching is obviously a deficiency and a problem that should be addressed. But thinking the answer is as simple as "well just draft more pitchers" is well....simple. too simple.

 

They also have only 1 top 100 prospect, and he's not a pitcher. At least the Sox have the patience to stick to what they're good at, they've had success going IFA pitching lately so they should do more of that. Oh wait, they are.

Edited August 18, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[moonslav59]

With a farm system brimming with impact prospects, you trade your third-best offensive player, who is cost-controlled and doesn't have a ready-made replacements mind you? No, it's not valid.

 

Trading your third best offensive player (maybe 4th) who sucks on D for your 2nd or third best pitcher is valid.

[moonslav59]

I am serious about improving our P by drafting and developing them-YES

 

Who isn't?

 

It's just not so simple. It's riskier drafting pitchers highly.

 

What do we do until that area is fixed, and once it is fixed, there will be a delay of 3-6 years before seeing results.

 

In the mean time, we can keep signing David Prices or trade for pitching.

[moonslav59]

The Angels drafted 20 pitchers in 20 rounds of drafting in 2021. Not one of those guys is in their top ten.

 

I suspect if the Sox did the same, they might have a barren farm system.

 

 

...and nobody to trade for pitching.

[moonslav59]

With a farm system brimming with impact prospects, you trade your third-best offensive player, who is cost-controlled and doesn't have a ready-made replacements mind you? No, it's not valid.

 

Who would you trade instead?

 

Mayer?

 

Anthony?

 

Rafaela and Duran?

 

Teel?

 

Nobody wants to trade Casas or any of these guys, but choose one.

[notin]

Nonetheless Logan Gilbers and George Kirby were BOTH 1st rd picks in back to back years.

 

Mark Appel and Brady Aiken were #1 overall picks in consecutive years…

[Randy Red Sox]

what does that have to do with my point? 6 teams this year decided it was ok to draft a P with their 1st rd pick.

Mark Appel and Brady Aiken were #1 overall picks in consecutive years…

[Randy Red Sox]

Or sign more Cory Kluber types like Bloom has been doing the past several years. hey I hear Rich Hill wants to pitch again next year.

Who isn't?

 

It's just not so simple. It's riskier drafting pitchers highly.

 

What do we do until that area is fixed, and once it is fixed, there will be a delay of 3-6 years before seeing results.

 

In the mean time, we can keep signing David Prices or trade for pitching.

[mvp 78]

what does that have to do with my point? 6 teams this year decided it was ok to draft a P with their 1st rd pick.

 

6 out of 30! 80% of 1st round picks were hitters! But Bloom is doing something wrong?

[dgalehouse]

Memo to Bloom: Don't trade Casas. Memo to Cora: Play Casas and Duran every day. Memo to John Henry: Where are you ? Are you in hiding ? Come on out now . Memo to fans: Don't quit now. Three games out of the third wild card is not an impossible situation.

[mvp 78]

Memo to Bloom: Don't trade Casas. Memo to Cora: Play Casas and Duran every day. Memo to John Henry: Where are you ? Are you in hiding ? Come on out now . Memo to fans: Don't quit now. Three games out of the third wild card is not an impossible situation.

 

Henry showing up now does not help the team in anyway. How the fans feel about the team doesn't change how the team plays.

[moonslav59]

Or sign more Cory Kluber types like Bloom has been doing the past several years. hey I hear Rich Hill wants to pitch again next year.

 

The Price signing was worse.

 

My point is that a trade is the safer and best route, and I'm being told that it is not only a bad idea, but that my point is not even valid.

[dgalehouse]

Henry showing up now does not help the team in anyway. How the fans feel about the team doesn't change how the team plays.

 

Memo to mvp: Nothing that is posted on here has any effect on anything.