2023 Prospects

[moonslav59]

I just mean you're in deep in general, with the prospect and roster stuff.

 

...and deep down on the prospect list, too.

 

I know the 26th and 40th slots on the rosters usually are not super impactful, but I find it very interesting how the choices are made on the "odd men out."

[mvp 78]

We could both be wrong. DHam could end up the best prospect below #20.

 

He needs to work on his utility and be able to play at a multitude of positions. He needs more reps at 2B, CF and LF IMO. I think we already know what he is at SS.

[mvp 78]

You guys are in deep.

 

Let's get some Helcris Olivarez talk going. Is he a left handed Bryan Mata that could potentially impact the Sox bullpen at some point in '24?

[moonslav59]

He needs to work on his utility and be able to play at a multitude of positions. He needs more reps at 2B, CF and LF IMO. I think we already know what he is at SS.

 

Agreed. Right now, his best MLB talent is as a PR. Expanded utility might be his only way to stick to a ML club- probably not BOS.

[mvp 78]

Agreed. Right now, his best MLB talent is as a PR. Expanded utility might be his only way to stick to a ML club- probably not BOS.

 

If his hit tool was better, he'd be the 2B. If his arm was better, he could be a SS somewhere. I don't think he could be a starting SS for ANY MLB team.

[moonslav59]

If his hit tool was better, he'd be the 2B. If his arm was better, he could be a SS somewhere. I don't think he could be a starting SS for ANY MLB team.

 

Agreed.

 

Is he better than any current MLB 26th man utility guy? His PR abilities might interest some GM, but with no plus D or O, I just don't see it.

 

He has to improve to make it, IMO. He turnes 27, next September, so the chances are slim.

[mvp 78]

SlateN. SoxProspects don't like putting relievers higher than 20.

 

Maybe they put Fitts 11th? Somewhere 11-15 IMO.

 

Fitts is ranked 11th as of today.

[mvp 78]

Slaten is 24th, about where we thought as well.

[mvp 78]

Oh, and Judice debuts at 57. I like that Song is holding strong at 60.

[moonslav59]

Slaten is 24th, about where we thought as well.

 

I think Drohan was over-ranked, but according to SP's, we basically traded #15 Drohan and Ammons & cash for Slaten

[mvp 78]

I think Drohan was over-ranked, but according to SP's, we basically traded #15 Drohan and Ammons & cash for Slaten

 

Per reports, Slaten has a much better chance of sticking than most other players taken, especially Drohan. There's a 50/50 chance that Fernandez and Drohan are back with the Sox this year.

[moonslav59]

Per reports, Slaten has a much better chance of sticking than most other players taken, especially Drohan. There's a 50/50 chance that Fernandez and Drohan are back with the Sox this year.

 

I was not high on Drohan, so I'm fine with all the Rule 5 switch-outs and the Slaten trade.

 

We basically have 2 choices for the 26 slot, not one: Mata and Slaten. Good moves.

 

I may be in the minority for liking the Dugo trade. We got 3 pitchers and added $4M to the winter budget by swapping out Dugo for O'Neill.

 

[mvp 78]

I was not high on Drohan, so I'm fine with all the Rule 5 switch-outs and the Slaten trade.

 

We basically have 2 choices for the 26 slot, not one: Mata and Slaten. Good moves.

 

I may be in the minority for liking the Dugo trade. We got 3 pitchers and added $4M to the winter budget by swapping out Dugo for O'Neill.

 

 

The trade is really:

 

Verdugo

Robertson

Santos

 

for

 

O'Neill

Fitts

Weissert

Judice

 

O'Neill isn't as good as Verdugo, but he fits the RHB hole the Sox have and the prospects the Sox received are a lot better than what they gave up. Seems like the trades are fair swap today. I had no issue with either move.

[Dipre]

The trade is really:

 

Verdugo

Robertson

Santos

 

for

 

O'Neill

Fitts

Weissert

Judice

 

O'Neill isn't as good as Verdugo, but he fits the RHB hole the Sox have and the prospects the Sox received are a lot better than what they gave up. Seems like the trades are fair swap today. I had no issue with either move.

 

He was better at one time. They may be betting on fixing something to get him back to that level.

[moonslav59]

The trade is really:

 

Verdugo

Robertson

Santos

 

for

 

O'Neill

Fitts

Weissert

Judice

 

O'Neill isn't as good as Verdugo, but he fits the RHB hole the Sox have and the prospects the Sox received are a lot better than what they gave up. Seems like the trades are fair swap today. I had no issue with either move.

 

I'm not so sure about who will be better in 2024: Dugo or O'Neill. (Dugo's numbers may inflate due to Yankee Stadium- assuming he is not traded.)

 

Maybe the "extra $4M" allows us to get Yamo, Monty or Snell.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not so sure about who will be better in 2024: Dugo or O'Neill. (Dugo's numbers may inflate due to Yankee Stadium- assuming he is not traded.)

 

Maybe the "extra $4M" allows us to get Yamo, Monty or Snell.

 

Hahahahaha....good one moon.

[mvp 78]

He was better at one time. They may be betting on fixing something to get him back to that level.

 

Dugo will be better at Yankee Stadium most likely. The trade may look "bad" at the outset. I'm not really worried about it. Moving deck chairs.

[Old Red]

Dugo will be better at Yankee Stadium most likely. The trade may look "bad" at the outset. I'm not really worried about it. Moving deck chairs.

 

I think Dugy will come back to haunt the Red Sox in those Pinstripes.

[moonslav59]

Hahahahaha....good one moon.

 

If it's between $32M or $30M for Yamo and $29M or $27M for Monty, that $4M could really make a difference.

 

Sale comes off the books after '24, so that "extra $4M" can be absorbed going beyond '24.

 

It does not mean Brez will pay $4M more than planned, but it does give him some more wiggle room.

[Bellhorn04]

If it's between $32M or $30M for Yamo and $29M or $27M for Monty, that $4M could really make a difference.

 

Sale comes off the books after '24, so that "extra $4M" can be absorbed going beyond '24.

 

It does not mean Brez will pay $4M more than planned, but it does give him some more wiggle room.

 

You really and truly think $4M could impact how much they offer Moto?

[moonslav59]

I think Dugy will come back to haunt the Red Sox in those Pinstripes.

 

He probbaly will a couple times, but maybe O'Neill will haunt the Yanks more.

[moonslav59]

You really and truly think $4M could impact how much they offer Moto?

 

Why not? I'm talking $4M per year.

 

If the Sox are offering $30M and the Mets $33M, tops, we could offer $34M and win.

[Bellhorn04]

Why not? I'm talking $4M per year.

 

If the Sox are offering $30M and the Mets $33M, tops, we could offer $34M and win.

 

But it's not $4M per year saved on O'Neill vs. Verdugo. It's $4M for one year.

[Old Red]

Why not? I'm talking $4M per year.

 

If the Sox are offering $30M and the Mets $33M, tops, we could offer $34M and win.

 

The Red Sox are not going to outbid the Yankees, or the Mets as is, but JH should just go full throttle, and let the next owner of the Red Sox worry about the results.

[Old Red]

He probbaly will a couple times, but maybe O'Neill will haunt the Yanks more.

 

Not the same kind of haunt. The Cardinals yes.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Inexplicably, the Red Sox still employ some of the same folks in their front office that traded a Hall of Famer in his prime, and last week gave up the key piece in that deal for the main return of a Double A pitcher.

 

Irony? Execs who can't find a way for Betts that fits plans for sustained contention spin him for a guy who actually Fitts...

[mvp 78]

I think Dugy will come back to haunt the Red Sox in those Pinstripes.

 

On no! I'm not really concerned about a 2 fWAR guy doing much damage. Like I said before, I hope he has a career year and the Yanks give him an Ellsbury type deal.

[mvp 78]

Inexplicably, the Red Sox still employ some of the same folks in their front office that traded a Hall of Famer in his prime, and last week gave up the key piece in that deal for the main return of a Double A pitcher.

 

Irony? Execs who can't find a way for Betts that fits plans for sustained contention spin him for a guy who actually Fitts...

 

I'm not sure that it matters that they traded away Verdugo and how it relates to Mookie Betts. Are we going to relitigate the Betts deal when Wong is no longer in the org too?

[Old Red]

Inexplicably, the Red Sox still employ some of the same folks in their front office that traded a Hall of Famer in his prime, and last week gave up the key piece in that deal for the main return of a Double A pitcher.

 

Irony? Execs who can't find a way for Betts that fits plans for sustained contention spin him for a guy who actually Fitts...

I don’t think the main reason of getting rid of Dugy was a trade itself, but to just get rid of him, and the return was secondary.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think the main reason of getting rid of Dugy was a trade itself, but to just get rid of him, and the return was secondary.

 

I do think they wanted to trade him, but I don't think they would have, if they did not like the return.

 

I also think they wanted a RH'd OF bat, and the money saved helped them get O'Neill, and there is $4M left over for future spending, perhaps.

 

I like the return and O'Neill addition more than Dugo, so to me, the main reason is secondary.