2023 Prospects

[Bellhorn04]

How was he a prospect? He was 30.

 

If Bernardino was a prospect, I think that would make Ryan Brasier in 2018 a prospect?

[moonslav59]

How was he a prospect? He was 30.

 

The rules.

 

On SPs. Anyway

[Bellhorn04]

The rules.

 

On SPs. Anyway

 

What rules are we talking about?

[moonslav59]

What rules are we talking about?

 

The rules SP's uses to determine who is a prospect.

 

They counted Bernardino as one, despite him being 31.

[Bellhorn04]

The rules SP's uses to determine who is a prospect.

 

They counted Bernardino as one, despite him being 31.

 

Fair enough. I misread SPs as Starting Pitchers anyway LOL

[moonslav59]

Fair enough. I misread SPs as Starting Pitchers anyway LOL

 

Ahhh, now I get it.

[moonslav59]

The September rankings update for soxprospects should come out, soon.

 

How far up or down will the players move?

 

Current rank

 

11. Drohan (I'd move to 18-20th)

 

15. Cespedes (I'd move to 10 and put Romero 11th.)

 

20. Castro (To maybe 15th?)

 

23. Abreu (to top 16?)

 

24. Paulino (out of top 30?)

 

43. Gambrell (top 20 too high?)

 

56. Rosier (top 32?)

 

Any other big movers?

 

 

 

[mvp 78]

If Bernardino was a prospect, I think that would make Ryan Brasier in 2018 a prospect?

 

And Arauz isn't listed either?

[mvp 78]

Miscellaneous other graduated players not listed after 2017:

Darwinzon Hernandez

Brian Johnson

Tzu Wei Lin

Phillips Valdez

Colten Brewer

Josh Taylor

Marcus Walden

[moonslav59]

Why isn't Yoshida a prospect in April 2023?

[mvp 78]

Why isn't Yoshida a prospect in April 2023?

 

Same reason you didn't put Sawamura as a prospect.

[moonslav59]

I don't make their rules, but SP's has Bernardino as "graduating" in June 2023.

 

Bloom is a genius at farm building. (LOL)

[moonslav59]

Wikelman with a nice start with POR

6IP, 1H, 0ER, 0BB, 5K (2.45 ERA)

 

[Larry Cook]

Wikelman with a nice start with POR

6IP, 1H, 0ER, 0BB, 5K (2.45 ERA)

 

 

Winkleman and Montero have really impressive stuff!

 

The rest of our pitchers…. well not so much

[moonslav59]

Winkleman and Montero have really impressive stuff!

 

The rest of our pitchers…. well not so much

 

I'm liking Gambrell more and more, but yes, others like Drohan, Walter, Murphy and E R-C are not lighting the world on fire, or are hurt.

[moonslav59]

Here are the current SP's rankings for our pitchers and their ERAs in 2023:

 

SP'ers

7. Perales 4.21

8. Wikelman 2.88

11. Drohan 6.48

13. Walter 3.07

21. Mata 5.61

25. E R-C 2.53

29. Monegro 2.43

32. Dobbins, 33 Hoppe, 34. Bastardo, 35. Rogers, 40. Paez, 43. Gambrell, 48. I Coffey, 51. Liu

 

 

[Hugh2]

I don't make their rules, but SP's has Bernardino as "graduating" in June 2023.

 

Bloom is a genius at farm building. (LOL)

 

Bernardino had 2.1 MLB innings pitched before this year. Yoshida, while not in the MLB, had years of experience at the “professional” level

[moonslav59]

Bernardino had 2.1 MLB innings pitched before this year. Yoshida, while not in the MLB, had years of experience at the “professional” level

 

I get that, but I think Yoshida is eligible for the ROY Award.

 

Also, some think the Japanese professional level is about the same as the AAA professional level.

[Hugh2]

I get that, but I think Yoshida is eligible for the ROY Award.

 

Also, some think the Japanese professional level is about the same as the AAA professional level.

 

He is, there’s no universal definition of a rookie that all of MLB and all the prospect ranking community abides by.

 

Which seems weird considering that the MLB literally has draft compensation now tied to the performance of those rookies and their ranking.

 

For example, MLB considers Yoshida a rookie, he has not shot at ROY but even if he did the Sox wouldn’t get a draft pick for him.

 

For ranking bodies like Soxprospects it’s all subjective, as it is elsewhere

[moonslav59]

He is, there’s no universal definition of a rookie that all of MLB and all the prospect ranking community abides by.

 

Which seems weird considering that the MLB literally has draft compensation now tied to the performance of those rookies and their ranking.

 

For example, MLB considers Yoshida a rookie, he has not shot at ROY but even if he did the Sox wouldn’t get a draft pick for him.

 

For ranking bodies like Soxprospects it’s all subjective, as it is elsewhere

 

Yes, and it's not like adding Bernardino to the list of Bloom's prospects added moves the needle all that much.

 

If you don't count him, then he counts on the "gems in the rough" category and maybe moves the needle n that grade by 1/4th of a grade level.

[moonslav59]

DHam homered (17th) and stole 2 bases (53) in Woo's 5-4 loss.

 

POR won 8-3 as Hickey hit his 14th HR.

[mvp 78]

Teel and Anthony to be promoted to AA today.

[moonslav59]

Teel and Anthony to be promoted to AA today.

 

Not much left to their season, but I like the moves.

[Dipre]

Teel is not f***ing around

[moonslav59]

Teel is not f***ing around

 

No doubt.

 

Sox OPS Leaders on the Farm: (45+ ABs)

1.056 K Campbell (.500 OBP)

.993 Teel (.493 OBP)

.983 Cespedes (25 XBHs in 191 ABs)

.944 Dalbec (31 HRs)

.933 Asencio (.457 OBP)

.930 Abreu (22 Hrs and 34 XBHs in 299 ABs)

.893 Arias (.440 OBP)

.886 Brannon (.583 SLG)

.874 Hickey (40 XBHs in 329 ABs)

.874 G Rod

.869 Rafaela (54 XBHs in 444 ABs and 36 SBs

.869 Scott

.860 Fitzy

.855 EValdez

.855 Anthony (40 XBHs in 362 ABs)

.847 Musett

.844 Salazar

.841 Asigen

.832 Jordan (47 XBhs in 441 ABs)

.828 DHam (32 XBhs and 53 SBs in 348 ABs)

.818 RHern (17 Hrs in 286 ABs)

.818 Bonaci

.815 Joh Garcia

.809 Yorke

.802 Rosier (48 SBs in 103 gms)

.792 Castro

.782 Meidroth

.770 Sogard

.769 Kavadas (.378 OBP)

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Teel is not f***ing around

 

I predicted a few weeks ago he'll have a cup of coffee by next September. This isn't some teenager with potential tools. Teel was the best catcher in college baseball this year, and will already be 22 when next season opens.

 

Fisk was called up for a couple games when he was 21, after 97 games in AA. After a season in AAA, he returned to the Show for the last few weeks at age 23. The next year he was the Red Sox full-time catcher and AL Rookie of the Year.

 

Varitek was the greatest college catcher of his day, but didn't earn a full-time job behind the dish in the bigs until his age 27 season. He had a shot of expresso at 25, then was platooned at 26.

 

Rutschman, the #1 overall draft pick, made his debut last year at 24 and immediately turned around the Baltimore franchise... but was second in ROTY to JRod. He also finished 12th in MVP voting. This year he made the All-Star team.

 

Teel will be 24 in '26... when he might be the Sox regular backstop.

[moonslav59]

I predicted a few weeks ago he'll have a cup of coffee by next September. This isn't some teenager with potential tools. Teel was the best catcher in college baseball this year, and will already be 22 when next season opens.

 

Fisk was called up for a couple games when he was 21, after 97 games in AA. After a season in AAA, he returned to the Show for the last few weeks at age 23. The next year he was the Red Sox full-time catcher and AL Rookie of the Year.

 

Varitek was the greatest college catcher of his day, but didn't earn a full-time job behind the dish in the bigs until his age 27 season. He had a shot of expresso at 25, then was platooned at 26.

 

Rutschman, the #1 overall draft pick, made his debut last year at 24 and immediately turned around the Baltimore franchise... but was second in ROTY to JRod. He also finished 12th in MVP voting. This year he made the All-Star team.

 

Teel will be 24 in '26... when he might be the Sox regular backstop.

 

It aslo took VTek until his 30's to be considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game.

[Larry Cook]

Teel and Anthony to be promoted to AA today.

 

I like everything about Anthony’s swing and contact ability. Relatively short and to the ball! I think he gets out whack when he opens his swing up trying to go for long balls too much!

I think he hit the rookie wall last month!

This promotion is a great thing for him. He is the real deal!

 

I have not seen teel yet, so I have no thoughts on him

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It aslo took VTek until his 30's to be considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game.

 

Gotta wonder if/when Tek somehow becomes Red Sox skipper, how he, himself, would consider a catching prospect ready to start in the majors...

 

Who would know better than the four-time no-hitter receiver? Would his expertise conflict with metrics crunched by analyticals who never played the game?

[moonslav59]

Gotta wonder if/when Tek somehow becomes Red Sox skipper, how he, himself, would consider a catching prospect ready to start in the majors...

 

Who would know better than the four-time no-hitter receiver? Would his expertise conflict with metrics crunched by analyticals who never played the game?

 

It's hard to know about a person's managerial skills. I'd think he might make a great pitching coach.