2023 Prospects

[mvp 78]

TalkSox should be posting their updated rankings today.

 

Graduates

Nick Robertson graduated

 

Debuts

Zack Penrod debuts at 49

 

Risers

Yoelin Cespedes up from 15 to 10

Wilyer Abreu up from 23 to 12

Corey Rosier up from 56 to 44

Brock Bell from unranked to 50

Felix Cepeda from unranked to 54

 

Fallers

Mike Romero from 10 to 18

Bryan Mata from 21 to 27

Cutter Coffey from 30 to 37

Freili Encarnacion from 49 to 56

Phillip Sikes from 46 to 57

Niko Kavadas from 42 to unranked

Christian Koss from 50 to unranked

CJ Liu from 51 to unranked

 

I was honestly surprised that they were so low on Abreu for a long time. He had MLB attributes and was in AAA. Not sure I'd drop Kavadas and Liu all the way to UR either.

[moonslav59]

Graduates

Nick Robertson graduated

 

Debuts

Zack Penrod debuts at 49

 

Risers

Yoelin Cespedes up from 15 to 10

Wilyer Abreu up from 23 to 12

Corey Rosier up from 56 to 44

Brock Bell from unranked to 50

Felix Cepeda from unranked to 54

 

Fallers

Mike Romero from 10 to 18

Bryan Mata from 21 to 27

Cutter Coffey from 30 to 37

Freili Encarnacion from 49 to 56

Phillip Sikes from 46 to 57

Niko Kavadas from 42 to unranked

Christian Koss from 50 to unranked

CJ Liu from 51 to unranked

 

I was honestly surprised that they were so low on Abreu for a long time. He had MLB attributes and was in AAA. Not sure I'd drop Kavadas and Liu all the way to UR either.

 

Gambrell to #38 seems a bit of a short-change.

[Hugh2]

Gambrell to #38 seems a bit of a short-change.

 

Why? he rose there from being unranked. He's old, and yes he can't help that but it is what it is. He has 10 IP at AAA, and 70 at AA as a 25-year-old, which he could be really good, he also should be really good and mowing those hitters down.

 

38 also gives him the capacity to keep rising, and if he keeps this up into next he will likely continue to jump and probably find his way onto the MLB roster at some point too.

[moonslav59]

Graduates

Nick Robertson graduated

 

Debuts

Zack Penrod debuts at 49

 

Risers

Yoelin Cespedes up from 15 to 10

Wilyer Abreu up from 23 to 12

Corey Rosier up from 56 to 44

Brock Bell from unranked to 50

Felix Cepeda from unranked to 54

 

Fallers

Mike Romero from 10 to 18

Bryan Mata from 21 to 27

Cutter Coffey from 30 to 37

Freili Encarnacion from 49 to 56

Phillip Sikes from 46 to 57

Niko Kavadas from 42 to unranked

Christian Koss from 50 to unranked

CJ Liu from 51 to unranked

 

I was honestly surprised that they were so low on Abreu for a long time. He had MLB attributes and was in AAA. Not sure I'd drop Kavadas and Liu all the way to UR either.

 

I agree on Abreu and Kavadas. Liu did not need to drop very far to move off the list.

 

I expected a bigger drop (or re-adjustment) to Drohan's ranking.

 

The usually don't drop guys too far from an injury, but I guess Romero'd drop goes beyong one injury.

[Hugh2]

On the other hand, if he was in the 25-31 range I wouldn't think that seems weird either.

 

There's so much fluidity between rankings at that level, outside the top 10 and top 20.

 

I thought one time I heard the Sox prospects answer a question while talking about being asked why player A is ranked ahead of player B etc etc and they answered it like this. "yeah, you're probably right".

 

If someone think #32 and #45 should switch positions they're probably right. I think the further down a prospect list you get the more it's like throwing darts on a board. You could have a former top ten prospect ranked right next to an unkown DSL guy who is a future top 100 prospect in all of baseball ranked right next to each other.

[Hugh2]

I agree on Abreu and Kavadas. Liu did not need to drop very far to move off the list.

 

I expected a bigger drop (or re-adjustment) to Drohan's ranking.

 

The usually don't drop guys too far from an injury, but I guess Romero'd drop goes beyong one injury.

 

Now that I do think about it Romeros fall does seem a bit troublesome. Thank god for Roman Anthony or that draft would be starting to not look so good. I wonder is going on with the kid, it seems like it's been injury holding him back but Bleis has been out most of the year and he's holding firm towards the top of the rankings.

[mvp 78]

Nobody mentioned Guerrero's first WOO appearance last night: 1 Inn, 2 K, 0.00 WHIP.

[mvp 78]

Now that I do think about it Romeros fall does seem a bit troublesome. Thank god for Roman Anthony or that draft would be starting to not look so good. I wonder is going on with the kid, it seems like it's been injury holding him back but Bleis has been out most of the year and he's holding firm towards the top of the rankings.

 

Romero is probably downgraded because he's out due to injury AGAIN.

[moonslav59]

You expect good prospects to move up some in the rankings, as others graduate or fall in the rankings.

 

Here is a look at the rankings moves of Bloom's top or notable draft picks from the start of the year to now:

 

6=6 Yorke

18>22 Jordan

NR=NR Wu-Yelland

12>13 Drohan

 

1>1 Mayer

29>47 McDonough

16>26 E R-C

19=19 Hickey

NR> 28 Dobbins

 

7>18 Romero

23>37 C Coffey

11>2 Anthony

42>36 Rogers

30>16 Meidroth

NR>46 I Coffey

 

Teel

Zanetello

Anderson

Duffy'

Campbell

 

IFAs

3=3 Bleis

48>10 Cespedes

37>14 Joh Garcia

NR>25 Monegro

NR>42 Yuten

NR>43 Arias

 

Trades

24>12 Abreu

15>21 EValdez

26>23 DHam

NR>38 Gambrell

NR>44 Rosier

Graduated: Robertson

 

(I probably missed some.)

 

[moonslav59]

POR won 6-0.

Meidroth homered (2-4)

1-2 w 2BB Teel

1-2 w 2BB Binelas

0-3 w BB Anthony & Rosier

 

WOO lost 7-1, GRE 3-0 and SAL 7-1.

[Hugh2]

Romero is probably downgraded because he's out due to injury AGAIN.

 

I think this is it. Getting injured can happen to anyone, but getting injured more than once can start to raise the red flags

[mvp 78]

I think this is it. Getting injured can happen to anyone, but getting injured more than once can start to raise the red flags

 

Changes his ceiling to Jed Lowrie.

[moonslav59]

Changes his ceiling to Jed Lowrie.

 

I'd take that.

[Larry Cook]

Changes his ceiling to Jed Lowrie.

 

I had yorke picked as the next lowrie

[mvp 78]

I'd take that.

 

A guy who is only healthy for half of every season?

[moonslav59]

A guy who is only healthy for half of every season?

 

Better than out almost season and sucking when he does play.

 

Plus, Jed played more often, once he left BOS.

 

He had over 565 PAs in 4 of his next 7 years, and although 365+ PAs is not much, it's been better than Story, and Jed had 365+ in 6 of his next 7 seasons after BOS at .753.

[moonslav59]

Anthony went 3 for 6 with three 2Bs. (.943)

Hickey 1-3 w 3 BBs (.824)

Teel 1-3 w 3BBs (.912)

Jordan 2-5 w 2B (.677)

Meidroth 2-3 w 2BBs (.757)

Yorke 2-5 w BB (.806)

 

Wikelman brought his ERA down to 2.28, as this game was finished, today after being suspended earlier in the year.

 

GRE lost as Song started and lasted just 0.1 (3BB and a hit- 1 ER)

[mvp 78]

Better than out almost season and sucking when he does play.

 

Plus, Jed played more often, once he left BOS.

 

He had over 565 PAs in 4 of his next 7 years, and although 365+ PAs is not much, it's been better than Story, and Jed had 365+ in 6 of his next 7 seasons after BOS at .753.

 

Better than Story? For COL, he played in over 90% of eligible MLB games after being called up.

[moonslav59]

Better than Story? For COL, he played in over 90% of eligible MLB games after being called up.

 

I clearly was comparing him to the BOS Story.

 

I like Story. I'd prefer him to Lowrie, but Lowrie was pretty good and not so injury prone, after he left BOS.

[mvp 78]

I clearly was comparing him to the BOS Story.

 

I like Story. I'd prefer him to Lowrie, but Lowrie was pretty good and not so injury prone, after he left BOS.

 

His last season in BOS was 2011.

 

2012: out 2 months with right ankle sprain, 15 DL right thumb sprain

2014: fractured right finger 15 DL

2015: right thumb ligament tear 60 DL

2016: shin contusion 15 DL, bunion 60 DL

2019: left knee capsule sprain 60 DL (plays 9 games all year)

2020: left knee discomfort 60 DL (misses season)

[moonslav59]

His last season in BOS was 2011.

 

2012: out 2 months with right ankle sprain, 15 DL right thumb sprain

2014: fractured right finger 15 DL

2015: right thumb ligament tear 60 DL

2016: shin contusion 15 DL, bunion 60 DL

2019: left knee capsule sprain 60 DL (plays 9 games all year)

2020: left knee discomfort 60 DL (misses season)

 

4 seasons w Sox

256 gams/920 PAs

 

Next 7 years w OAK & HOU

853 gms/3572 PAs or 510 PAs per year at a .753 OPS

 

I'll take that from Romero. You won't. OK.

[mvp 78]

4 seasons w Sox

256 gams/920 PAs

 

Next 7 years w OAK & HOU

853 gms/3572 PAs or 510 PAs per year at a .753 OPS

 

I'll take that from Romero. You won't. OK.

 

He was only healthy for 4 of those 7 years. He played under 100 games for the other 3. With 510 PA's, he's missing 20% of every season. Is that good?

 

Right after your 7 year sample, he's basically out for 2 straight years.

[moonslav59]

He was only healthy for 4 of those 7 years. He played under 100 games for the other 3. With 510 PA's, he's missing 20% of every season. Is that good?

 

Right after your 7 year sample, he's basically out for 2 straight years.

 

Yes, 510 PAs from Romero for 7 years would be more than fine with me.

[mvp 78]

Yes, 510 PAs from Romero for 7 years would be more than fine with me.

 

While ignoring all the other things around those handpicked years. Got it.

[moonslav59]

While ignoring all the other things around those handpicked years. Got it.

 

I said, after the Sox, and 7 years is a significant time period. I did not ignore anything.

 

510 PAs at .753 would be fine with me for Romero. I was very specific about my claim, yet you twist and turn and try everything and anything to dispute or move the goalposts.

 

If you don't like my cherry-picked time frame, which was basically his entire career, after Boston, except his last 2, then move on.

 

I never said he was a beacon of health. I just said I'd take 510 PAs at .753 from Romero for a 7 year stretch, but you won't even answer, if you would or not. You just obfuscate- something you excel at.

[Larry Cook]

I think Hang’em Chaim has hit home runs with teel and Anthony!

 

I think Hang’em Chaim has doubles with Mayer, yorke and Jordan

[moonslav59]

I think Hang’em Chaim has hit home runs with teel and Anthony!

 

I think Hang’em Chaim has doubles with Mayer, yorke and Jordan

 

I'd say 3B for Mayer and a HBP for Jordan.

[mvp 78]

Jordan has a 677 OPS in AA, but is still only 20. There's time for him to turn it around, but the worry is that he is going to max out at an MiLB level with his long swing. His light tower power also really has shown itself yet and he's basically 1B only going forward.

[Hugh2]

Getting more of a luck at Rafaela at the MLB level and you can see how the scouting report fits him. He found himself down 1-2 in a count where he should have been up 3-1, because he just swings at everything. But the contact skills are there, and that may or may not be enough to make up for his inability to lay off bad pitches. Maybe now that he's reached MLB and will face the best pitching he will ever see without having to worry about taking that next step some experience will be useful, or perhaps some guys can rub off on him. Sit him next to Casas.

[moonslav59]

Jordan has a 677 OPS in AA, but is still only 20. There's time for him to turn it around, but the worry is that he is going to max out at an MiLB level with his long swing. His light tower power also really has shown itself yet and he's basically 1B only going forward.

 

He would not be the guy I mention when naming our best 5-6 prospects, of even our best 15 or maybe 20.